Zipp0 1 #26 May 11, 2006 QuoteWho have YOU been calling so much that your panties are in a wad? hmmmmmmmm? That has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's about the principles of freedom and limits on government power on which this country was founded. Having nothing to hide is not a basis for probable cause, which is required per the fourth ammendment. 31% Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #27 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThey are not listening only collecting number to number records. Quoterecords of calls from one number to another does not amount to wiretaps... True, but a lot of Americans still object to their govt basically having a record of every phone call made by or to them. It's a question of how much governmental scrutiny of our private matters we're willing to tolerate in a free, democratic nation - in order to remain a free, democratic nation. Agreed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #28 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuote31% and falling fast. 'Nuff said. Zipp0 Nope, not nuff said. 40% and rising. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm President Bush Job Approval RasmussenReports.com - You might want to reconsider bragging about those (skewed) numbers. They are nothing at all to hang your hat on. LOL Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #29 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote31% and falling fast. 'Nuff said. Zipp0 Nope, not nuff said. 40% and rising. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm President Bush Job Approval RasmussenReports.com - You might want to reconsider bragging about those (skewed) numbers. They are nothing at all to hang your hat on. LOL Zipp0 Only skewed because they refute your claims. Do some research on Rasmussen before you bash them. They have a very long history of being right when The usual suspects CNNMSNBCABC etc have been way off. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 May 11, 2006 Here's some history of their polling. They called the 2004 Presidential Election more accurately than any other pollster. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm Presidential Tracking Poll: Bush-Kerry Updated Daily by Noon Eastern Election 2004 Final Projection Bush 50.2% Kerry 48.5% Other 1.3% RasmussenReports.com President George W. Bush won the popular vote on November 2 by a 50.7% to 48.2% margin over Senator John Kerry. The final Rasmussen Reports projection had shown the President winning 50.2% to 48.5%. Our final polling state-by-state polling results were also validated by actual election returns. We correctly showed Florida and Ohio breaking for the President while Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota were heading for the Kerry column. The Wall Street Journal named Rasmussen Reports one of the "big winners" of Election 2004. Later this month, we will release a special report on Election 2004 and what it means for the country over the next four years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #31 May 11, 2006 Sorry, but I'm just not buying it. (my best Bill O'Reily impression) Seriously though, I'd guess reality is somewhere is the middle of the polls. Either way, the numbers are not good. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #32 May 11, 2006 QuoteSorry, but I'm just not buying it. (my best Bill O'Reily impression) Seriously though, I'd guess reality is somewhere is the middle of the polls. Either way, the numbers are not good. Zipp0 Then you are denying reality. Rasmussen has a better record of being correct than any of the sources you can cite. Did you know many pollsters used by the alphabet networks actually had Kerry and Gore winning? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #33 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteSorry, but I'm just not buying it. (my best Bill O'Reily impression) Seriously though, I'd guess reality is somewhere is the middle of the polls. Either way, the numbers are not good. Zipp0 Then you are denying reality. Rasmussen has a better record of being correct than any of the sources you can cite. Did you know many pollsters used by the alphabet networks actually had Kerry and Gore winning? - Past performance is not proof of future accuracy. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #34 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSorry, but I'm just not buying it. (my best Bill O'Reily impression) Seriously though, I'd guess reality is somewhere is the middle of the polls. Either way, the numbers are not good. Zipp0 Then you are denying reality. Rasmussen has a better record of being correct than any of the sources you can cite. Did you know many pollsters used by the alphabet networks actually had Kerry and Gore winning? - Past performance is not proof of future accuracy. Zipp0 Right, it's better to rely on a pollsters past performance of being wrong. I guess you will argue tstatistically they have to get it right eventually. After all even a broken clock is right twice a day. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #35 May 11, 2006 Regardless of any poll, Bush is a fucking moron. %100 of Zipp0's polled agree with that statement. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,088 #36 May 11, 2006 >Nope, not nuff said. 40% and rising. Wow. To think that people are defending Bush by saying his ratings are up to 40% . . . . An interesting comparison below. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #37 May 11, 2006 DOJ Drops Wiretap Investigation http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,70879-0.html?tw=rss.index"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #38 May 11, 2006 QuoteDOJ Drops Wiretap Investigation The headline implies the investigation was found to be baseless. The first sentence shows the NSA sabotaged the investigation. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #39 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo, you have Top Secret/SCI clearance and know the details of these programs? Do tell... I have no Idea what you are talking about And therefore you have no idea what YOU are talking about. Without first hand knowledge, you are just guessing. That is why we need congressional oversight. That is not happening currently. The congress has NO IDEA what is going on. Without checks and balances this is no longer the USA. It is RED CHINA. Like it or not - that's the reality of it. Zipp0 Ok, so what's your knowledge of it? How long have you been working in the communications/security field? Please fill us in, oh great guru of everything military/governmental related...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #40 May 11, 2006 QuoteHow long have you been working in the communications/security field? dropzone.com is often so reminiscent of playground bickering. I remember the bullies taunting the other children just like this! Bully: "Oh yeah? When did you get so smart? My dad's a and HE says..." First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow long have you been working in the communications/security field? dropzone.com is often so reminiscent of playground bickering. I remember the bullies taunting the other children just like this! Bully: "Oh yeah? When did you get so smart? My dad's a and HE says..." How so? He's stating that someone else doesn't know what he's talking about re: Echelon if he doesn't have a clearance. I'm asking him to prove his information. Is that a problem in general, or only when it's being asked of someone bashing the current administration?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #42 May 11, 2006 Quote>Nope, not nuff said. 40% and rising. Wow. To think that people are defending Bush by saying his ratings are up to 40% . . . . An interesting comparison below. When you can't argue the facts, change the argument? Nobody is defending Bush's approval or comparing it to Nixon except you. I am challenging Zippos's claim that Bush's poll numbers are at 31% and dropping. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #43 May 11, 2006 Quote Please fill us in, oh great guru of everything military/governmental related... There's the catch. Nobody with that kind of information/knowledge is going to tell you anything. And, with no oversight, and the public kept ignorant, the possibility for abuse is huge. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #44 May 11, 2006 Quotea lot of Americans still object to their govt basically having a record of every phone call made by or to them. It's a question of how much governmental scrutiny of our private matters we're willing to tolerate in a free, democratic nation - in order to remain a free, democratic nation. This was started under a democratic president and congress. You should at least know who to blame for the awful results you predict.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuote Please fill us in, oh great guru of everything military/governmental related... There's the catch. Nobody with that kind of information/knowledge is going to tell you anything. And, with no oversight, and the public kept ignorant, the possibility for abuse is huge. Zipp0 And, of course, this is only a problem *NOW*, and not for the 40+ years this has been in operation all over the world?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #46 May 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow long have you been working in the communications/security field? dropzone.com is often so reminiscent of playground bickering. I remember the bullies taunting the other children just like this! Bully: "Oh yeah? When did you get so smart? My dad's a and HE says..." You're not just figuring this out are you? Maybe you're on dial-up? You must have slow connection "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #47 May 11, 2006 QuoteI want to see the president impreached! It's that simple I'm leaning that way. I've been trying to just make snide remarks with the understanding that, regardless of how much I can't stand him, my countrymen did elect him so we should just wait it out. But this just might be the straw that broke my back. He's a complete fucktard. He's cost us billions of dollars, has killed thousands of our people and tens of thousands of other people on dishonest premises, and he considers himself and the voices in his head from god to be above the people or our constitution. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #48 May 11, 2006 QuoteBut this just might be the straw that broke my back. Bush didn't start this NSA phone call program. The old law that allowed this program has withstood scrutiny by the Supreme Court. I can understand a lot of complaints about Bush, but I can't see how this should be on the list, and certainly not "the straw that broke the back".People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,088 #49 May 11, 2006 > . . .to be above the people or our constitution. That's what's really worrying me. His prolific use of signing statements, his blocking of DOJ investigations by classifying information, his declassification of sensitive information to use as a political tool, his contempt for the lawmaking powers of Congress - all that is leaving a legacy of president-as-ruler instead of president-as-executive. And that is a VERY bad legacy to leave, IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #50 May 11, 2006 Quote> . . .to be above the people or our constitution. That's what's really worrying me. His prolific use of signing statements, his blocking of DOJ investigations by classifying information, his declassification of sensitive information to use as a political tool, his contempt for the lawmaking powers of Congress - all that is leaving a legacy of president-as-ruler instead of president-as-executive. And that is a VERY bad legacy to leave, IMO. Bravo. Well said. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
