NSA and YOUR phone calls

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Just wait until a Democrat wields the power that this president has established in the executive branch. You will hear shrieks of horror on a daily basis, and we can just tell them to suck it up, and thank president chimpy. LOL

Fuck no man.. they will be back out in the woods in their little private militias again... just like the good ole days in the 1990's. practicing the art of overthrowing the evil overbearing godless government.

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You do realize the parts you highlighted have nothing to do with what we are discussing don't you? They have to do with the alledged wiretapping story from last December.

You do realize that the entire USA Today story is falling apart at the seams don't you? Hopefull you realize how poorly sourced and opinionated the part of the story you posted is.

The Associated Press reports that BellSouth Corporation has made a similar denial of the main essence of the story.

Haven’t we seen this kind of thing before? The controversy over the USA Today story suggests, once again, that the media have rushed into print with something that looks bad, in order to concoct a scandal for the Bush Administration and drive down the approval numbers of the President. This is getting to be old hat for the press. During a time of war, our major papers have, time and time again, seized upon an alleged secret activity in order to make it appear as though it’s the Bush Administration—not the terrorists—that we need to fear. The key to this approach is trying to convince the public at large that the Bush Administration is out to get them.

If the USA Today story had been written to suggest that records of international long distance calls involving al-Qaeda operatives were being collected by the NSA, in order to identify their U.S. domestic contacts or cells, there would have been no story of any concern to those who want to win the war against terrorism. That may be why it was made to suggest that John Q. Public’s innocent phone call to the local pastor or baseball coach was at risk of being monitored.

It appears the basic flaw in the story, as suggested by the entire Verizon statement, is the assumption that phone companies passed along records of local calls to the NSA when the company says such records may not even exist in most cases. International phone calls involving suspected terrorists and their contacts inside the U.S. are a different matter.

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Just wait until a Democrat wields the power that this president has established in the executive branch. You will hear shrieks of horror on a daily basis, and we can just tell them to suck it up, and thank president chimpy. LOL

Fuck no man.. they will be back out in the woods in their little private militias again... just like the good ole days in the 1990's. practicing the art of overthrowing the evil overbearing godless government.

And the REALLY beautiful part? We will crush those crazy fuckers mercilessly. It will be easy as pie - they are, after all, terrorists. BWahahahaha!

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BLAH BLAH BLAH.... I didn't read any of that, because it means NOTHING. Checks and balances are the basis for our democracy, like it or not.

Now, at least, we are getting some oversight, as it should be.

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Ah, ok... so the law doesn't count if you don't like the result, then?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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BLAH BLAH BLAH.... I didn't read any of that, because it means NOTHING. Checks and balances are the basis for our democracy, like it or not.

Now, at least, we are getting some oversight, as it should be.

Zipp0

Ah, ok... so the law doesn't count if you don't like the result, then?

"It's the seriousness of the charge not the nature of the evidence."

Damn, do I have to keep reminding you?

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>Ah, ok... so the law doesn't count if you don't like the result, then?

Doesn't matter if you don't like it - but it sure doesn't count if it's unconstitutional.

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>Ah, ok... so the law doesn't count if you don't like the result, then?

Doesn't matter if you don't like it - but it sure doesn't count if it's unconstitutional.

Which the SCOTUS has ruled it isn't.

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>Which the SCOTUS has ruled it isn't.

Nope, this particular sort of search has not been ruled upon. And now that the executive branch has shut down the checks and balances the constitution provides, it won't be. Which I suppose in some people's minds equates to "the supreme court is OK with it."

I would love to hear the screams from the right if a democrat tried to shut down an investigation that might reflect poorly on him. The sheer volume would break every window in america. But since this is a republican, he must be defended to the death, no matter what he does.

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I would love to hear the screams from the right if a democrat tried to shut down an investigation that might reflect poorly on him. The sheer volume would break every window in america. But since this is a republican, he must be defended to the death, no matter what he does.

On the off chance that Bush doesn't declare martial law and install himself as "President for the Duration", someday there will be another democrat president.

If that happens I'll snicker at the unvarnished hypocrisy when the same right-wingers flip all their positions.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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>Which the SCOTUS has ruled it isn't.

Nope, this particular sort of search has not been ruled upon. And now that the executive branch has shut down the checks and balances the constitution provides, it won't be. Which I suppose in some people's minds equates to "the supreme court is OK with it."

I would love to hear the screams from the right if a democrat tried to shut down an investigation that might reflect poorly on him. The sheer volume would break every window in america. But since this is a republican, he must be defended to the death, no matter what he does.

Except he isn't shutting down the investigation. Haven't been keeping up have you?

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>Except he isn't shutting down the investigation. Haven't been
>keeping up have you?

He's trying. See bold below.

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Judge gives go ahead in wiretapping suit
May 17, 2006: 5:07 PM EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) - The judge hearing a case challenging the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program said Wednesday that the plaintiffs may keep documents AT&T says contain proprietary information for use in preparing their case, but the documents must remain under seal.

The lawsuit has been brought against the telecommunications giant by Electronic Frontier Foundation, an organization that advocates for privacy. The organization says AT&T (Research) gave phone and e-mail records to the National Security Agency without warrants, violating federal law.

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Walker also set a June 23 date to hear arguments from AT&T and the U.S. Department of Justice to dismiss the case on grounds of national security.

"This is all about the president's ability to protect national security," said Deputy Assistant Attorney General Carl Nichols, arguing that the president's power under the War Powers Act "trumps a private citizens right to have his or her day in court."

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Apples and Oranges. This thread isn't about wiretapping as much as some would like to blur the two issues. You want to discuss that, start another thread.

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>This thread isn't about wiretapping as much as some would
>like to blur the two issues.

You're right. There are currently so many scandals surrounding the abuses of this administration that it's hard to keep them all straight.

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>This thread isn't about wiretapping as much as some would
>like to blur the two issues.

You're right. There are currently so many scandals surrounding the abuses of this administration that it's hard to keep them all straight.

Maybe for you.
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>Maybe for you.

You're saying you have more practice? Heh.

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There are currently so many scandals surrounding the abuses of this administration that it's hard to keep them all straight.

I think Clinton did pretty well in that department.

This is an entertaining site with links to all the Clinton scandals. Nothing like a stroll down memory lane.



I really like the different names assigned, I know some of these 'gates are a bit of fluff, but it is so nice to be reminded of how many whoppers he dealt with:

Whitewater
Cattlegate
Nannygate
Helicoptergate
Travelgate
Gennifer Flowersgate
Filegate
Vince Fostergate
I wonder where those Whitewater billing records came fromgate
Paula Jonesgate
Federal Building campaign phone callgate
Lincoln bedroomgate
White House coffeegate
Donations from convicted drug and weapons dealersgate
Buddhist Templegate
Web Hubbell hush moneygate
Lippogate
Chinese commiegate - Clinton was practically endorsed by red China Update!
Let's blame Kenneth Starrgate
Zippergate/interngate - the Lewinsky affair itself
Perjury and jobs for Lewinskygate - the aftermath
Willeygate
Web Hubbell prison phone callgate
Selling Military Technology to the Chinese Commiesgate
Coverup for our Russian Comrades as Wellgate
Wag-the-Dog-gate
Jaunita Broaddrick gate
PBS-gate
Email-gate
Vandalgate
Lootergate
Pardongate
Bonus: Humorgate: some mishaps and mysteries around the Clintons. This is just humor in a serious scandal page.
Haircutgate
Hillary talks with Eleanor Rooseveltgate
Burgergate
Joycelyn Elders
Is this Administration Shameless?
The Bill Clinton Tiananmen Peace Tour Vacation
The Lewinsky Speech

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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I really like the different names assigned, I know some of these 'gates are a bit of fluff, but it is so nice to be reminded of how many whoppers he dealt with:

Whitewater
Cattlegate
Nannygate
Helicoptergate
Travelgate
Gennifer Flowersgate
Filegate
Vince Fostergate
I wonder where those Whitewater billing records came fromgate
Paula Jonesgate
Federal Building campaign phone callgate
Lincoln bedroomgate
White House coffeegate
Donations from convicted drug and weapons dealersgate
Buddhist Templegate
Web Hubbell hush moneygate
Lippogate
Chinese commiegate - Clinton was practically endorsed by red China Update!
Let's blame Kenneth Starrgate
Zippergate/interngate - the Lewinsky affair itself
Perjury and jobs for Lewinskygate - the aftermath
Willeygate
Web Hubbell prison phone callgate
Selling Military Technology to the Chinese Commiesgate
Coverup for our Russian Comrades as Wellgate
Wag-the-Dog-gate
Jaunita Broaddrick gate
PBS-gate
Email-gate
Vandalgate
Lootergate
Pardongate
Bonus: Humorgate: some mishaps and mysteries around the Clintons. This is just humor in a serious scandal page.
Haircutgate
Hillary talks with Eleanor Rooseveltgate
Burgergate
Joycelyn Elders
Is this Administration Shameless?
The Bill Clinton Tiananmen Peace Tour Vacation
The Lewinsky Speech

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for proving the point that I've been trying to get across!!!
All of these "gates" and investigations. And what were they about ? Fucking nothing other than trying to badger the guy and waste tax payers dollars for political gain. Yet the current administration shoves scandals *in your face*, leaks classified information, deliberatly misinforms the public to get us into a voluntary war, kills thousands, endangers our troops and citizenry, spys on them, sells out our treasury to corporate interests, secret prisons, extraordinary rendition, torture, defrauds the taxpayer (that was Cheney)and there's no investigation of any of them because his conservative buddies have circled the wagons for him even thought he's not even remotely a conservative or even a republican for that matter, except for tax cuts.
Absolutely amazing. Is it raining? Sure smells like pee.

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You do realize the parts you highlighted have nothing to do with what we are discussing don't you? They have to do with the alledged wiretapping story from last December.-

You're wearing me down on this one. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
It's the same freakin' story! Illegal wiretapping. The story first appeared, Bush said "so f'ing what? I can do whatever I want if I want to" regardless of the written law, Gonzales says "he can do what he f'ing wants and besides we're only targeting overseas conversations with terrorists, then it's pointed out that Gonzales was a liar, you quote a law in their defense about who they have to report to, I point out that they didn't report to them and that members from both sides of the aisle don't think what Bush is doing is legal.
These people have repeatedly said things, been called on them, and then changed their story. I'm tired of it.
By the way, didn't Bush say that he was going to fire whoever leaked the Plame information? I guess that means that he needs to fire not only Rove and Libby but Cheney and HIMSELF now that he's ADMITTED that he started the flow of that information release.
These people are so full of crap it's unbelieveable, but not so much so as my complete lack of comprehension as to why the general public took six years to figure out that they're full of shit. History won't paint this era too nicely for us, unless of course it's printed by the Limbaugh press.
One last question, do you think the Romans saw it coming?

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Sorry you are worn down. All my posts were on topic, which you and others couldn't refute so you attempted to morph it into something we weren't discussing. On topic, CNN and USA Today appear to have some credibility problems with their story and it would serve you well to keep this in mind next time you read something in those publications. The story stinks.

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Interesting....very interesting..... funny how this never made the news...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Interesting....very interesting..... funny how this never made the news...

They have no shame, and lie like a fucking rug, is this a suprise to anyone?

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Sorry you are worn down. All my posts were on topic, which you and others couldn't refute so you attempted to morph it into something we weren't discussing. On topic, CNN and USA Today appear to have some credibility problems with their story and it would serve you well to keep this in mind next time you read something in those publications. The story stinks.
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What was off topic? You posted a law that the Bushies are supposed to abide by and you stated that it was pretty obvious that they were adhering to that law. I countered with that time honored tool of the liberal devil, the question. And by asking the simple questions like "did they actually fully brief the committees that were listed in the law" the answer turned out to be a resounding NO, as evidenced by Bush's promise yesterday to finally comply. Sorry if you feel that sinking your legal compliance assertion is off topic. If CNN and USA today is the topic then maybe we should change the name of this thread.

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They have no shame, and lie like a fucking rug, is this a suprise to anyone?

Who is they?

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They have no shame, and lie like a fucking rug, is this a suprise to anyone?

Who is they?

Anyone who would stoop to this:

"If money is scarce, Democrats.com will reimburse you if you buy the records for an important phone number and discover gold when you get the records."


now remember they are encouraging the use of a persons phone rcords to somehow destroy their lives and or careers. An invasion of privacy not by a government trying to protect us, but by individuals for political reason.


Anyone here ever hear of a crossdresser by the name of J. Edgar Hoover? this is the kind of shit he was known forusing the power of office for personal vendettas

No wonder his name does not get mention in the bureau anymore...thank god.