NSA and YOUR phone calls

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Are they building any barbed wire fences up you way yet?

With all the secrecy and the offshore torture camps that you guys seem to love... its hard to tell.. I am sure you would know better than I would where they are.

Nice to see you on here for another evening of thinly veiled PA's.

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Aww poor baby.. truth hurt there a bit bucko????

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Hey. If they really have absolutely nothing better to do with their time than listen to my phone calls then they can go ahead. Their man hours down the drain.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

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Aww poor baby.. truth hurt there a bit bucko????

Have fun. I would suggest you refresh your material though, it's wearing pretty thin.

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I would suggest you refresh your material though

Hell you guys are doing it just fine for the American people to see.....every week another revelation of how you really feel about our Constitution.

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Have fun. I would suggest you refresh your material though, it's wearing pretty thin.

I disagree, the material is great no matter how many times you hear it, and this forum is very entertaining most of the time.

Lately, some of the more looney lefties here remind me of the paranoid characters in the Midnight Express insane asylum movie scenes. Funny stuff, keeps me in stitches.

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the Midnight Express insane asylum movie scenes.

Gee I bet that is your favorite movie then.

Did you enjoy the prison rape scenes too?

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Did you enjoy the prison rape scenes too?

You're a bad machine, Amazon.

And we all know what happens to the bad machines.

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Have fun. I would suggest you refresh your material though, it's wearing pretty thin.

I disagree, the material is great no matter how many times you hear it, and this forum is very entertaining most of the time.

Lately, some of the more looney lefties here remind me of the paranoid characters in the Midnight Express insane asylum movie scenes. Funny stuff, keeps me in stitches.

It is sad that the loony left is getting such a forum, it clouds the issue, it is unreasonable to compare bush to historical facists and dictators, I do not believe that this could happen in the USA, too many checks and balances even though they are grossly slow and inefficient.
What he is doing is introducing a level of federal intrusion into our lives that is unacceptable regardless of the intent. I find it absurd that the some of the conservatives on this forum who are so vocal about their second amendment rights are so pro-phone monitoring.
It seems that any terrorist could walk into a store and buy a gun in this country, there is no way to establish a pattern of arms purchases, they could quietly arm themselves by spreading their purchases over several states and stores.
My question to the pro-call group is would you support a similar monitoring of gun purchases for the purpose of spotting terrorists?

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tsk tsk tsk.... that the best you can do Karl???

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My question to the pro-call group is would you support a similar monitoring of gun purchases for the purpose of spotting terrorists?

Yes.

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tsk tsk tsk.... that the best you can do Karl???

I thought GM was Karl. My name is Fernando Lamas.

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[Amazon 7]

Psst remember your website... with the running stuff???

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Psst remember your website... with the running stuff???

I think you've got the wrong guy. My name is Harry Beavers, and I'm in the used car business.

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Have fun. I would suggest you refresh your material though, it's wearing pretty thin.

I disagree, the material is great no matter how many times you hear it, and this forum is very entertaining most of the time.

Lately, some of the more looney lefties here remind me of the paranoid characters in the Midnight Express insane asylum movie scenes. Funny stuff, keeps me in stitches.

It is sad that the loony left is getting such a forum, it clouds the issue, it is unreasonable to compare bush to historical facists and dictators, I do not believe that this could happen in the USA, too many checks and balances even though they are grossly slow and inefficient.
What he is doing is introducing a level of federal intrusion into our lives that is unacceptable regardless of the intent. I find it absurd that the some of the conservatives on this forum who are so vocal about their second amendment rights are so pro-phone monitoring.
It seems that any terrorist could walk into a store and buy a gun in this country, there is no way to establish a pattern of arms purchases, they could quietly arm themselves by spreading their purchases over several states and stores.
My question to the pro-call group is would you support a similar monitoring of gun purchases for the purpose of spotting terrorists?

oh yeah that is right the terrorists can't find any other way to get a gun than to go around to different legal gun dealers and purchase them after filling out paperwork and giving ID.

I bet there are no extra AK47's laying around somwhere they can just stick in a shipping container.
yeah I would gues they would rather create a paper trail than to get them on the open market in a third world country for around 20 bucks a copy.

Wow this amazes me...I mean really...do you worship Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer?

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oh yeah that is right the terrorists can't find any other way to get a gun than to go around to different legal gun dealers and purchase them after filling out paperwork and giving ID.

I bet there are no extra AK47's laying around somwhere they can just stick in a shipping container.
yeah I would gues they would rather create a paper trail than to get them on the open market in a third world country for around 20 bucks a copy.

Wow this amazes me...I mean really...do you worship Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer?

Hey, I got a break from my dog-shit duties, so I thought I'd chime in.

They could buy guns quite easily on the street. There are plenty of Tek 9's, Uzi's and Mac-10's floating around for them to have a fully automatic slaughter-fest. The thing that would really help is checking backgrounds to buy ammo. Would you support that?

Now, if you'll excuse me, Al Franken just called. I have to polish his spaceship, pronto.

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It is sad that the loony left is getting such a forum, it clouds the issue, it is unreasonable to compare bush to historical facists and dictators, I do not believe that this could happen in the USA, too many checks and balances even though they are grossly slow and inefficient.
What he is doing is introducing a level of federal intrusion into our lives that is unacceptable regardless of the intent. I find it absurd that the some of the conservatives on this forum who are so vocal about their second amendment rights are so pro-phone monitoring.
It seems that any terrorist could walk into a store and buy a gun in this country, there is no way to establish a pattern of arms purchases, they could quietly arm themselves by spreading their purchases over several states and stores.
My question to the pro-call group is would you support a similar monitoring of gun purchases for the purpose of spotting terrorists?

oh yeah that is right the terrorists can't find any other way to get a gun than to go around to different legal gun dealers and purchase them after filling out paperwork and giving ID.

I bet there are no extra AK47's laying around somwhere they can just stick in a shipping container.
yeah I would gues they would rather create a paper trail than to get them on the open market in a third world country for around 20 bucks a copy.

Wow this amazes me...I mean really...do you worship Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer?

I'll take that as a no then, even if can't answer without loosing out your temper. Have you ever answered a questions without an accusation?

So because you can buy a weapon on the black market we should do nothing about monitoring the legal stuff. You could use that arguement about anything, how about stolen cell phones? I mean why would a terrorist buy a legal one when there are stolen ones available all the time, they could change number on every call they make so that there is no pattern.

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oh yeah that is right the terrorists can't find any other way to get a gun than to go around to different legal gun dealers and purchase them after filling out paperwork and giving ID.

I bet there are no extra AK47's laying around somwhere they can just stick in a shipping container.
yeah I would gues they would rather create a paper trail than to get them on the open market in a third world country for around 20 bucks a copy.

Wow this amazes me...I mean really...do you worship Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer?

Hey, I got a break from my dog-shit duties, so I thought I'd chime in.

They could buy guns quite easily on the street. There are plenty of Tek 9's, Uzi's and Mac-10's floating around for them to have a fully automatic slaughter-fest. The thing that would really help is checking backgrounds to buy ammo. Would you support that?

Now, if you'll excuse me, Al Franken just called. I have to polish his spaceship, pronto.

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Dude I know we don't agree on most things,but I can assure you they dont need to BUY anything they have it already


What do you want to do, track competitive shooters because they buy ammo in the 1000 packs? and kick in their doors?...that is who buys the lions share of ammo availible to the public.

Damn, John Rich and I, would be considered terrorists for saving money buy buying in bulk

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It is sad that the loony left is getting such a forum, it clouds the issue,......, I do not believe that this could happen in the USA, too many checks and balances even though they are grossly slow and inefficient.
What he is doing is introducing a level of federal intrusion into our lives that is unacceptable regardless of the intent. I find it absurd that the some of the conservatives on this forum .....

that's a pretty good post.

What about me? I just don't want to pay for it. So I'm against the intrusion (there's better solutions, and we have warrantable actions that are already on the books, this doesn't seem much value added for the problems it causes), but want to keep my taxes.... So which kool aid will I be accused of drinking since it's so black and white in here?

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oh yeah that is right the terrorists can't find any other way to get a gun than to go around to different legal gun dealers and purchase them after filling out paperwork and giving ID.

I bet there are no extra AK47's laying around somwhere they can just stick in a shipping container.
yeah I would gues they would rather create a paper trail than to get them on the open market in a third world country for around 20 bucks a copy.

Wow this amazes me...I mean really...do you worship Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer?

Hey, I got a break from my dog-shit duties, so I thought I'd chime in.

They could buy guns quite easily on the street. There are plenty of Tek 9's, Uzi's and Mac-10's floating around for them to have a fully automatic slaughter-fest. The thing that would really help is checking backgrounds to buy ammo. Would you support that?

Now, if you'll excuse me, Al Franken just called. I have to polish his spaceship, pronto.

Zipp0

Dude I know we don't agree on most things,but I can assure you they dont need to BUY anything they have it already


What do you want to do, track competitive shooters because they buy ammo in the 1000 packs? and kick in their doors?...that is who buys the lions share of ammo availible to the public.

Damn, John Rich and I, would be considered terrorists for saving money buy buying in bulk

Why not? Shit - I have to show ID, have my info entered into a database, and SIGN to get my freaking Claritin-D! Like the meth labs will have any trouble getting it! Shouldn't ammo be controoled at least to the same degree as allergy medicine?

The only answer for non-domestic terrorists is to not let them in the country in the first place. Once they are in, all bets are off.

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So which kool aid will I be accused of drinking since it's so black and white in here

Psst... choose the Purple stuff.. it tastes like grape

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So which kool aid will I be accused of drinking since it's so black and white in here

Psst... choose the Purple stuff.. it tastes like grape

mmmmmm, PURPLE (that's the episode where Homer shorted out the Nuclear Power plant)

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How much clearer do I have to make it that the SCOTUS ruled back in 1979 there is no crime here?


Here's the entire case.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/...ol=442&invol=735

You are kidding right?

You are basing the legality of this program on a SCOTUS ruling on one case in which data was gathered on one person in a ruling from 1979?

Now we fast forward almost 30 years. A federal agency is going through 100's of millions of calls and your position is that it is legal based on that ruling?

I agree, the principle is relatively similar. But technological advances and the magnitude of the program certainly alter the case significantly from your 1979 SCOTUS ruling.

Wouldn't you say that it is at least it should be tested in court to see if the courts agree that it is or isn't significantly different? Thoese are your checks and balances in place. Those checks and balances fail completely when the entity that is being investigated has the power to completely block the investigators.

This case should go to court to get a ruling on the constitutionality of the program. It only makes sense.

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How much clearer do I have to make it that the SCOTUS ruled back in 1979 there is no crime here?


Here's the entire case.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/...ol=442&invol=735

You are kidding right?

You are basing the legality of this program on a SCOTUS ruling on one case in which data was gathered on one person in a ruling from 1979?

Now we fast forward almost 30 years. A federal agency is going through 100's of millions of calls and your position is that it is legal based on that ruling?

I agree, the principle is relatively similar. But technological advances and the magnitude of the program certainly alter the case significantly from your 1979 SCOTUS ruling.

Wouldn't you say that it is at least it should be tested in court to see if the courts agree that it is or isn't significantly different? Thoese are your checks and balances in place. Those checks and balances fail completely when the entity that is being investigated has the power to completely block the investigators.

This case should go to court to get a ruling on the constitutionality of the program. It only makes sense.

That is the caselaw. Whether technologies have changed has no bearing on it's legality. Whether it is tested in court in the future and the ruling is overturned has no bearing on it's legality at the present time. I see no reason to rush into court to challenge the constitutionality of this ruling. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal nor does it mean it needs to be overturned.

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Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal nor does it mean it needs to be overturned.

Why would you say that? This program has absolutely no bearing on me nor does it affect me in any way. I am not arguing this based on my personal opinion, but your immediate assumption of such certainly makes me wonder if you are.

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I see no reason to rush into court to challenge the constitutionality of this ruling.

I didn't say anything about rushing. Once again you are making things up.

I see no reason why it should be blocked eitehr though. If it isn't a big deal, then let it go through court and voila, everything is settled.

I am surprised that many of you don't seem to care that the NSA can effectively block any investigation, which is exactly what is happening here.