NSA and YOUR phone calls

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"Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty." ------------------------------------------------------What a crock of shit. If you have plenty money, maybe. But for the average Joe you're guilty. Multiple charges to get you to cop to a plea. The criminal justiced in America nowadays. Hiel Hiter

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"Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty." ------------------------------------------------------What a crock of shit. If you have plenty money, maybe. But for the average Joe you're guilty. Multiple charges to get you to cop to a plea. The criminal justiced in America nowadays. Hiel Hiter

Are you talking about Patrick or Teddy Kennedy?

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"Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty." ------------------------------------------------------What a crock of shit. If you have plenty money, maybe. But for the average Joe you're guilty. Multiple charges to get you to cop to a plea. The criminal justiced in America nowadays. Hiel Hiter

100% true. I have a cousin right now in this situation. He cannot afford to go to trial, and even though he is innocent he has to try to plea a lesser charge or face a possible long jail term.

Only the wealthy get justice in modern America.

Zipp0

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Except I'm sure Limbaugh uses it sarcastically and Kennedy used it seriously. Big difference.-

Not when it's being quoted by his listeners.

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Except I'm sure Limbaugh uses it sarcastically and Kennedy used it seriously. Big difference.-

Not when it's being quoted by his listeners.

The way I read it, he was using it sarcastically. Lighten up will ya?

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[Zipp0 1]

DNA does nothing for him. His lawyer advised him that if he fights it he will lose. He is accused of selling drugs to a cop over 2 years ago. All of the evidence is total BS and can be proven as so. The lawyer says it does not matter - they will say "He's a druggie" and throw the book at him.

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You got it backwards. The courts have heard this since back before Clinton. You are, by your actions and requests, supporting the Bush has to prove he is not quilty attitude.

Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty. Can't be done so the bs continues.

The reason it can't be done is because the NSA won't grant the DOJ clearances so they can perform a proper investigation!

Blues,
Dave

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You got it backwards. The courts have heard this since back before Clinton. You are, by your actions and requests, supporting the Bush has to prove he is not quilty attitude.

Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty. Can't be done so the bs continues.

The reason it can't be done is because the NSA won't grant the DOJ clearances so they can perform a proper investigation!

Blues,
Dave

There's got to be investigators or someone that has the proper clearances... and I'd be willing to place money that anyone leaking classified NSA info *WOULD* be spending some time in jail....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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There's got to be investigators or someone that has the proper clearances... and I'd be willing to place money that anyone leaking classified NSA info *WOULD* be spending some time in jail....

You would think so, wouldn't you? This is why DOJ gave up on the investigation. The very agency they were investigating was the one who had to give them clearance, which they would not give.

No oversight = dictatorship.

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There's got to be investigators or someone that has the proper clearances... and I'd be willing to place money that anyone leaking classified NSA info *WOULD* be spending some time in jail....

You would think so, wouldn't you? This is why DOJ gave up on the investigation. The very agency they were investigating was the one who had to give them clearance, which they would not give.

No oversight = dictatorship.

Zipp0

"No oversight = dictatorship"

is equally as stupid as saying...

"Accessing FBI files of and conducting false IRS audits of political opponents = dictatorship"

I'll state again... I'm sure that there are investigators that DO have the clearances to be able to get into this. Of course, that doesn't look as good in the news.... I'll be interested to see how it plays out - I really don't see the NSA being able to slide out of it if they are compiling illegal info.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I I'll be interested to see how it plays out - I really don't see the NSA being able to slide out of it if they are compiling illegal info.

Basically, our system of checks and balances has been reduced to Bush saying "just trust me" and "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

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There's got to be investigators or someone that has the proper clearances... and I'd be willing to place money that anyone leaking classified NSA info *WOULD* be spending some time in jail....

You would think so, wouldn't you? This is why DOJ gave up on the investigation. The very agency they were investigating was the one who had to give them clearance, which they would not give.

No oversight = dictatorship.

Zipp0

There is oversight, and it comes from these ladies and gentlemen. I can assure you they have access to information regarding the NSA's program, and the DOJ should have a little chat with them if the NSA isn't playing nice regarding this investigation.

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I I'll be interested to see how it plays out - I really don't see the NSA being able to slide out of it if they are compiling illegal info.

Basically, our system of checks and balances has been reduced to Bush some politician saying "just trust me" and "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

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Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I'll state again... I'm sure that there are investigators that DO have the clearances to be able to get into this. Of course, that doesn't look as good in the news.... I'll be interested to see how it plays out - I really don't see the NSA being able to slide out of it if they are compiling illegal info.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

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Basically, our system of checks and balances has been reduced to Bush some politician saying "just trust me" and "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

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>In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count
>but the seriousness of the charge.

Exactly. Can't go on facts; they have a well-known liberal bias. Which is why the administration prefers to avoid the reality-based community.

I will agree that reality is being ignored. Not by the Bush admin though.

Google phone records Bill, you can buy them your self. Calls are not being monitored now like they were by the Clinton admin and the Echelon (sp) program that 60 minutes reported on. Did you care then?

I didn't think so...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I'll state again... I'm sure that there are investigators that DO have the clearances to be able to get into this. Of course, that doesn't look as good in the news.... I'll be interested to see how it plays out - I really don't see the NSA being able to slide out of it if they are compiling illegal info.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Zipp0

As is your "it's all Bush's fault" drone... if you don't realize by now that there's not a spit of difference between the two main parties, I pity you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Basically, our system of checks and balances has been reduced to Bush some politician saying "just trust me" and "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

fixed for accuracy...

"Some politician"? Don't be afraid, you can say his name. He won't bite, but he might down a couple of cold ones and shoot you in the face

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"Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty." ------------------------------------------------------What a crock of shit. If you have plenty money, maybe. But for the average Joe you're guilty. Multiple charges to get you to cop to a plea. The criminal justiced in America nowadays. Hiel Hiter

Are you talking about Patrick or Teddy Kennedy?

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Nicely done

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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DNA does nothing for him. His lawyer advised him that if he fights it he will lose. He is accused of selling drugs to a cop over 2 years ago. All of the evidence is total BS and can be proven as so. The lawyer says it does not matter - they will say "He's a druggie" and throw the book at him.

Zipp0

Sounds like he needs a new lawyer

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

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You got it backwards. The courts have heard this since back before Clinton. You are, by your actions and requests, supporting the Bush has to prove he is not quilty attitude.

Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty. Can't be done so the bs continues.

The reason it can't be done is because the NSA won't grant the DOJ clearances so they can perform a proper investigation!

Blues,
Dave

The reason is can't be done is because nothing illegal has happeed but I know you don't care about that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Sounds like he needs a new lawyer

Dead on. Unfortunately he is young, not very bright, and the lawyer has his parents bamboozled and frightened. At the same time, he is charging them loads of money to poorly represent him.

Zipp0

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The reason is can't be done is because nothing illegal has happeed but I know you don't care about that

My God man!!! How can they know nothing illegal happened if they can't even conduct a thorough investigation??

Let the DOJ do their job. If nothing illegal happened, so be it. But stonewalling an investigation gives an appearance of guilt.

Zipp0

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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.