christelsabine 1 #26 May 9, 2006 Quote>Pics like that were shown many times. Like another poster said, >it simply is propaganda. Yep. I recall that when Michael Moore showed similar footage taken in pre-invasion Iraq (kids playing and whatnot) pro-war conservatives screamed bloody murder. "Propaganda! Lies! Making an emotional appeal with misleading pictures!" MM is a biz man. He used what he's got at hands. Nevertheless, propanda in every war time was/is a huge tool. Used by idiots like MM and GWB same way. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #27 May 9, 2006 i know those pictures are propagander, i just wanted to say that i don't think all soldiers are bad... the way the media reports sometimes makes me want to puke. I'm tired of hearing about how the coalition soldiers are doing "this, that and the other" wrong. It's war for gods sake, shit happens. I wish the media would get off their back and stop the witch hunts for every soldier who doesn't play by the rule book. i heard today that the soldier who got caught on film shooting dead that Iraqi in faluja got sent back home or something? would people rather have seen him give the guy on the floor the benifit of the doubt and then end up getting blown to pieces because the Iraqi as boobi-trapped? i know i'd rather the soldier got out of there alive than the iraqi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #28 May 9, 2006 QuoteWell... Job done. Hussein & the Ba'Athists are toppled. Towns & cities are under control of an elected council. National elections have been held. The core of a new Iraqi police & military have been trained in neighbouring countries.... Are you serious?!?! Even the most hard core democrats agree that a sudden withdrawl would throw the country into chaos and civil war. Sorry, this one isn't even worth debating.... JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #29 May 9, 2006 propaganda is very useful, and considering all the shit pictures given, i think its welcoem breka showing how brave thse soldiers are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #30 May 9, 2006 QuoteNevertheless, propanda in every war time was/is a huge tool. Used by idiots like MM and GWB same way. Umm, actually you have it backwards... the smart people use propoganda to influence the weak minded. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.... JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 May 9, 2006 QuoteDude who cares if the pictures are staged or not. If they are staged, then that's a problem. If they are true, whether hand picked or not, then it's not a problem. Simple enough. OH MY GOODNESS, someone handpicked a few pictures - the world is ending. C'mon, the public isn't that simple minded. My issue is the simple minded response that a few positive pictures are this incredible insult to those that oppose the war on 'political' principles. My issue is the simple minded response that a few negative pictures are this incredible insult to those that support the war on 'political' principles. If neither side can handle true pictures telling the WHOLE story (positive and negative) then both sides should just admit that they are really about some political agenda and don't care about truth, the American People, the Iraqi people, and the rest of those in the war for serious personal reasons. (Screw the politicians) I have no issues with showing both the bad and the good. I expect to collect both, but they'll be batched by the agenda of the presenters. So what? I'm a big boy and can assess all the samples. I have a big issue with those that only want to restrict the pictures to SOLELY either good or bad. Quote“ hey we started a war with a lie and many have died but fuck I guess it’s worth it. I mean just look how cute that cat is” This is exactly the kind of nonsensical response I object to. If someone wants to restrict the free speech of publishing positive images, then they can't say they aren't actively trying to demonize the soldiers in addition to the leadership. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #32 May 9, 2006 Invade. Destroy. Re-build. This exactly is the way it's been done. Details, like pics, are not that important and only will be used by each side for advertisement reasons. Today's wars are TV compatible. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #33 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuote But making topic off-limits is also no good. The Phelps family is disgusting. I hope they die off. But to rob them of the ability to show the world how disgusting they are is also wrong. Ok, that two references to Phelps. What's the deal with them? Fred Phelps has a Baptist church in Kansas. He and His show up at soldiers funerals and "protest". They hold up signs that say "thank God for 9/11". "God hates fags". (he thinks we are at war cause God is mad at us because homosexuals live in the US. He is a troop hater. Look further down in this forum for the thread about thank god for 9/11. There is a video of one of his freaky followers (also his daughter, I believe).Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #34 May 9, 2006 Boy I KNOW better to question Bill, but it's slow at work.... *** ..... Because when an Iraqi hears that his father/brother/friend was tortured to death by the americans, ...... *** Okay, Bill would you please confirm the torture and killing of an Iraqi by AMERICANS. I mean a creditable case. Not degrading pictures "tortured to death". One that we captured and then "tortured to death" Maybe I missed something in the news. Or perhaps you were just trying to make a point. I'd really like to hear your answer to this because comments like that just stir the pot.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #35 May 9, 2006 QuoteAre you serious?!?! Even the most hard core democrats agree that a sudden withdrawl would throw the country into chaos and civil war... Yes. Absolutely. In fact RUSI did a report to the effect that toppling Saddam Hussein would destroy Iraq. A civil war splitting the country into three which would make Yugoslavia look like a toddlers tea party! THAT report came out back in 1990! And lo... Having toppled Saddam Hussein, the country has descended into civil war! WHY are our troops sitting in the middle of such a war. WHY are we building permanent bases there? Are the Coalition troops some sort of professional Resident-Aunt-Sallys? Our troops certainly aren't going to prevent the inevitable civil war there. All that'll happen is that our troops get shot at and blamed! WHY THE FECK aren't we withdrawing to Saudi & Kuwait... Or ANY bit of MMFD where we DON'T get shot at!!? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #36 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuotereal people, in real situations... are they all bad? guess not ! Awww... the kitty is so CUTE! I'm sure the women crying for their decapitated children will be comforted by that. The kitten is cute.... pity its not an American soldier stroking it - an Israeli perhaps?? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #37 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotereal people, in real situations... are they all bad? guess not ! Awww... the kitty is so CUTE! I'm sure the women crying for their decapitated children will be comforted by that. The kitten is cute.... pity its not an American soldier stroking it - an Israeli perhaps?? English i think Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #38 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotereal people, in real situations... are they all bad? guess not ! Awww... the kitty is so CUTE! I'm sure the women crying for their decapitated children will be comforted by that. The kitten is cute.... pity its not an American soldier stroking it - an Israeli perhaps?? English i think No mate - your miles out there. See the hint above... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #40 May 9, 2006 QuoteHe is a troop haterHe is an everything hater. Troops are only one of the things that he hates; homosexuals being the most-ardently-hated. He only hates soldiers because they represent the USA, which he (of course) hates. But apparently he hates Canada and Sweden more -- he's even taken on the website names for God hating them Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #41 May 9, 2006 Let me ask you one thing Do you think so far more positive or negative results have come from this war? I feel it is very unbalanced and most is negative. That’s why when anyone tries to put a positive spine on the war specially with things that in reality are meaningless or very small compared to the negative out comes so far. It makes want to slap them. I look at it as the equivalent of me shooting there child then saying oh well at least I didn’t spill blood on the good part of your rug. Do you get my point? The only thing that will change my mind is a positive event that is big enough to tip the scalesI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #42 May 9, 2006 QuoteDo you think so far more positive or negative results have come from this war? FAR more positives things than negative things !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 May 9, 2006 Kind of like the american that was be-headed on the internet. Oh, I forgot, he was a US citizen so he deserved it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #44 May 9, 2006 QuoteKind of like the american that was be-headed on the internet. Oh, I forgot, he was a US citizen so he deserved it Those who invade other people's countries cannot expect it to be all flowers and kisses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteKind of like the american that was be-headed on the internet. Oh, I forgot, he was a US citizen so he deserved it Those who invade other people's countries cannot expect it to be all flowers and kisses. I wondered who would be first with this stupid answer...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #46 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteKind of like the american that was be-headed on the internet. Oh, I forgot, he was a US citizen so he deserved it Those who invade other people's countries cannot expect it to be all flowers and kisses. I wondered who would be first with this stupid answer.... How to win friends in Iraq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #47 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteKind of like the american that was be-headed on the internet. Oh, I forgot, he was a US citizen so he deserved it Those who invade other people's countries cannot expect it to be all flowers and kisses. do you think it was an unwarrented "invasion" then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #48 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteKind of like the american that was be-headed on the internet. Oh, I forgot, he was a US citizen so he deserved it Those who invade other people's countries cannot expect it to be all flowers and kisses. do you think it was an unwarrented "invasion" then? Why put invasion in quotes? It was an invasion. And it was done under false pretenses. There were no WMDs, and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #49 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteKind of like the american that was be-headed on the internet. Oh, I forgot, he was a US citizen so he deserved it Those who invade other people's countries cannot expect it to be all flowers and kisses. I wondered who would be first with this stupid answer.... How to win friends in Iraq ahh right, do you think the American troops who dished out humilliation are just as bad as the insurgents who plant road side bombs and kill innocents with suicide bombs? is there any difference between the actions of the Americans and the insurgents to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #50 May 9, 2006 i'd prefer to call it liberation would you rather the invasion hadn't happened? would you rather have had Saddam Hussain still in power? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
