Brian3576 0 #1 May 9, 2006 real people, in real situations... are they all bad? guess not ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #2 May 9, 2006 Quotereal people, in real situations... are they all bad? guess not ! Awww... the kitty is so CUTE! I'm sure the women crying for their decapitated children will be comforted by that. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #3 May 9, 2006 would that be the same women who have just had their children decapitated by an unsurgent suicide bomber? or are you on about different women? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #4 May 9, 2006 I don't like stuff like this. It's propoganda, we are supposed to see how homane are troops are when they are also out there fighting. Funny how we never saw photos of insurgents playing with kittens or children We only ever see photos of them burning flags, dragging airmen through streets etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #5 May 9, 2006 I'll bet you $50 that kitty has a grenade in its belly. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian3576 0 #6 May 9, 2006 guess you're right to all the people who like to play devils advocate and try and make out the coalition troops are just as bad as the terrorists and militant insurgent fighters, let me ask you this..... 1) do you seriously think the troops are committing as many crimes and attrocities as the insurgents? 2) why do you try and say the troops are just as bad becasue of isolated incidents compared to many many more incidents of attrocities by the insurgents? i think that the war haters/troop haters are just clutching at straws by trying to imply that the troops are just as bad as the insurgents because they can quote a tiny minority of cases compared to the many many more cases of crimes committed by the insurgents... you can quote 50 cases of insurgent actions of murder and attrocity to every 1 case of troop similar action.... yet to some people the troops are just as bad on the whole the troops are doing an awsome job in very difficult circumstances, yet people want to slag them off because of the actions of a tiny minority of them, they try and draw comparisons by saying the actions of a few troops are just as bad as the actions of many insurgents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #7 May 9, 2006 I for 1 and glad they are fighting in IRAQ and not the US ALL GAVE SOME SOME GAVE ALL HOOAH and thanks ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #8 May 9, 2006 >. . . try and make out the coalition troops are just as bad as the > terrorists and militant insurgent fighters, . . . No one is saying that. >i think that the war haters/troop haters are just clutching at straws . . . And I think you are making things up. No one here hates the troops. >you can quote 50 cases of insurgent actions of murder and attrocity >to every 1 case of troop similar action.... That number is probably high; it's probably closer to 200 to 1. The few who DO commit such atrocities, though, are doing immense harm to our efforts in Iraq. Because when an Iraqi hears that his father/brother/friend was tortured to death by the americans, he's not going to be too keen on figuring out statistics. And that Iraqi is going to be one of the people cheering the next time a coalition helicopter is shot down. >on the whole the troops are doing an awsome job in very difficult >circumstances . . . Agreed. >yet people want to slag them off because of the actions of a tiny >minority of them, they try and draw comparisons by saying the > actions of a few troops are just as bad as the actions of many > insurgents . . . The actions of a FEW troops are as bad as the actions of MANY insurgents; you admitted that above. Heck, you think that US troops are committing more atrocities than I do! That does not mean that all US troops are bad; indeed, most are doing the very best they can to try to bring peace to Iraq. The problems we are having over there are not due to a lack of effort by US troops - they are due to piss-poor planning and execution of a war by an incompetent administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #9 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuotereal people, in real situations... are they all bad? guess not ! Awww... the kitty is so CUTE! I'm sure the women crying for their decapitated children will be comforted by that. AND... I'm sure that there were similar pics of German Soldiers from Belgium in 1914, when "The Hun" were taking 5 minutes off from bayonetting babies! It's called "The Propaganda War" and it never stops. For example, last week in Basra: All those poor innocent Iraqi kiddies & civilians were being butchered by The Brits and the insurgents had to defend them with mortar fire.... Which is why all the injured-innocents have shrapnel wounds from mortar bombs! And the cry: "It wasn't our fault! We were only defending ourselves!" goes up from BOTH sides for consumption by their respective supporters who can then believe that theirs are the forces of light and good. Just remember... Germany only invaded Poland AFTER the Poles attacked German border posts, AND then rejected Germany's perfectly reasonable demands for annexation of The Danzig Corridor! The fact that Germany then took over HALF of Poland could well be explained by the substandard brakes and excessively long stopping distance of the PanzerKampfWagen III. It was the same problem in The SudetenLand: "Zer road Vas Greasy... It Vas downhill... Und zer verdammt tank vould nicht schtoppen until it gebumpten into Kosice Town Hall!" Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #10 May 9, 2006 For the record, I support our ill equipped guys and girls out there fighting regardless of the ethics behind it. I have friends out there and respect the kids younger than me putting their ass on the line. Just I find propoganda a bit tiresome. In fact, I find most media reports to be tiresome. Nothing against the war or whats going on out there, just how everything is skewed for the sake of a good story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 May 9, 2006 QuoteZer road Vas Greasy... It Vas downhill... Und zer verdammt tank vould nicht schtoppen until it gebumpten into Kosice Town Hall!" zat isch shom funny scheit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #12 May 9, 2006 Why is that title..."..you don't see?" Pics like that were shown many times. Like another poster said, it simply is propaganda. BTW, king of propaganda was Goebbels. War in Iraq isn't over yet. Perhaps, upon ending that mess, GWB will be the new King of Propaganda. edited for typo dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #13 May 9, 2006 >Pics like that were shown many times. Like another poster said, >it simply is propaganda. Yep. I recall that when Michael Moore showed similar footage taken in pre-invasion Iraq (kids playing and whatnot) pro-war conservatives screamed bloody murder. "Propaganda! Lies! Making an emotional appeal with misleading pictures!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 May 9, 2006 Quote>Pics like that were shown many times. Like another poster said, >it simply is propaganda. Yep. I recall that when Michael Moore showed similar footage taken in pre-invasion Iraq (kids playing and whatnot) pro-war conservatives screamed bloody murder. "Propaganda! Lies! Making an emotional appeal with misleading pictures!" Sort of how the news hounds never seem to be around when the troops are hurt protecting some civilian, but they're right there with cameras rolling if one gets hit in a crossfire, aren't they?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #15 May 9, 2006 Quote1) do you seriously think the troops are committing as many crimes and attrocities as the insurgents? First I know you call them insurgents but I have a feeling more then a few Iraqi citizens might see them as freedom fighters. I don’t think we have many troops committing crimes, but when we don’t prosecute and properly sentenceor, or admit to the few who have then we make them all look guilty. Quote2) why do you try and say the troops are just as bad becasue of isolated incidents compared to many many more incidents of attrocities by the insurgents? I respect our troops, and thank them for there service. I don’t blame them. I blame a laying administration and the ignorant war hungry people who with out facts supported a false cause.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #16 May 9, 2006 Quoteguess you're right to all the people who like to play devils advocate and try and make out the coalition troops are just as bad as the terrorists and militant insurgent fighters, let me ask you this..... Where do you get this stuff. There are no "troop haters" that I'm aware of. War hater, yes. But my anger goes to those responsible for starting it, those who are misusing the troops by putting them into situations that they're not trained for. Those who create a system that allows torture but then hangs the enlisted soldiers out to dry because they were caught in the pictures doing what they were told to do while no high ranking officials are assigned any responsibility. Those who say they support the troops and send them into battle but then pass legislation to cut veterans aid. THOSE are the people I hate. Not the troops themselves. It would do us well to return to the days when leaders actually led their armys into battle. I support the troops, bring them home and quit using them as corporate mercenaries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 May 9, 2006 QuoteJust I find propoganda a bit tiresome So who, then, thinks the pics are staged? If only some, which ones? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #18 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteJust I find propoganda a bit tiresome So who, then, thinks the pics are staged? If only some, which ones? None of it is staged...the pictures are handpicked.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #19 May 9, 2006 Dude who cares if the pictures are staged or not. We have over 30K dead counting both sides. We have thousands of people hurt and maimed for life. All for what? I am sorry a few cute pictures aren’t going make me say “ hey we started a war with a lie and many have died but fuck I guess it’s worth it. I mean just look how cute that cat is” The people who support the war, and this administration need to stop reaching. It was a fucking mistake and if you supported the war you made a costly mistake for everyone. YOU WERE WRONG Just admit it and get on with your lives.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #20 May 9, 2006 QuoteI for 1 and glad they are fighting in IRAQ and not the US.. ... And I want to know why the Feck they're still there!? I supported the war! I still do! I honestly believe that Iraq HAD to be liberated from the Ba'Athists & Saddam Hussein! I quite frankly didn't give a Flying-Feck about the WMDs or lack thereof. This was (at first) a matter of liberating the Iraqi people and giving them the opportunity to make choices about their future. Well... Job done. Hussein & the Ba'Athists are toppled. Towns & cities are under control of an elected council. National elections have been held. The core of a new Iraqi police & military have been trained in neighbouring countries.... Time to come home and leave the Iraqi's to the self-determination which we are so fond of preaching. Unless, of course, our troops are still there to follow some half-arsed hidden agenda to match the half-arsed plan!? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #21 May 9, 2006 QuoteWhere do you get this stuff. There are no "troop haters" that I'm aware of. Are you a member of the Phelps family. Do you live in Kansas? Time to come out from under the rock there are Troop haters out there and I guess I'm not much better then them because I hate those that hate and dis and don't support our troops.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #22 May 9, 2006 QuoteWe have over 30K dead counting both sides. We have thousands of people hurt and maimed for life. All for what? I am sorry a few cute pictures aren’t going make me say “ hey we started a war with a lie and many have died but fuck I guess it’s worth it. I mean just look how cute that cat is” Let me explain the pictures to you. See the media doesn't make any money off of cute pictures or pictures of our troops playing nice and praying and what not. They prefer the shock factor. I hate the media. You are playing into their twisted little world. Don't believe everything you read.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #23 May 9, 2006 Do those pictures make the war OK? Does the fact that a lot of good, honorable people are fighting there make it off-limits for discussion? I don't think so. I think that the media, along with politicians and advertisers, pander to whatever they think will give them the most popularity. That sucks, and we let them. But making topic off-limits is also no good. The Phelps family is disgusting. I hope they die off. But to rob them of the ability to show the world how disgusting they are is also wrong. Sometimes the internet isn't so great; people like that used to have to work a lot harder to get an audience. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #24 May 9, 2006 Quote Let me explain the pictures to you. See the media doesn't make any money off of cute pictures or pictures of our troops playing nice and praying and what not. They prefer the shock factor. I hate the media. You are playing into their twisted little world. Don't believe everything you read. I hate the media too, but because they're typically too stupid to remember what they reported a couple of months earlier and have no capacity for critical thought. They may not show you the cute pictures but they also don't show you the ugly/realistic side of the war either. Let me know if you want to see those pics too. I won't post them othewise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #25 May 9, 2006 Quote But making topic off-limits is also no good. The Phelps family is disgusting. I hope they die off. But to rob them of the ability to show the world how disgusting they are is also wrong. Ok, that two references to Phelps. What's the deal with them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
