Letter to Senator Frist - Illegals aren't Immigrants

[Slappie 9]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/borderpatrol.asp <-- So you don't have to search Snopes.com I did it for you.

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ILLEGALS ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS


This letter sent to Senator Frist from a retired border patrol agent has more common sense than all the bull being spewed from Congress, with few exceptions.

Dear Senator Frist: There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.

1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in- state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico . Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California , Arizona , New Mexico and Texas . If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America ? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price?

For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America ? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here?

There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010.

We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.

David J. Stoddard U.S. Border Patrol (RET) Hereford , Arizona

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[namgrunt 0]

FINALLY SOMEONE THAT MAKES SENSE


SHORE wish out politians would read that letter

59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI)
www.dzmemories.com

[warpedskydiver 0]

this is exactly as it is

[masterrig 1]

It's about time, the truth was posted. Thanks, Slappie! That man knows what he is talking about. I see a lot of what he mentions, on a daily basis. He mentioned at one point, several families living in one dwelling. He failed to mention that out-front in the driveway, are 3 - 4 brand new pick-ups and SUV's.
The confusion or 'political correctness' bull-shit that I see constantly, over the words 'immigrant' and 'illegal alien' is ridiculous. An 'immigrant' goes through proper procedure to become a citizen. An 'illegal alien', ignores all of that and sneaks into this country and takes all he can get and laughs at us. Let's get it right. I'm tired too, of all the rhetoric from politicians and big business, trying to convince us that we 'need' the illegals to do jobs that 'citizens' won't take. I agree, whole heartedly with what that man wrote. This country needs to wake-up and smell the coffee. They've already got a Spanish version of our National Anthem and turning us into a bi-lingual nation. What's next? A green, red and white flag flying over the U.S. Capital? What we really need to do is, get off our dead butts, organize and protest the illegals being here. They protest the fact that we want to send them back for breaking our Immigration and Nationality laws. Fair is fair. After all, this is 'supposed' to be our country.


Chuck

[billvon 3,120]

>I'm tired too, of all the rhetoric from politicians and big business,
>trying to convince us that we 'need' the illegals to do jobs
>that 'citizens' won't take.

Well, to solve that, either we need to:

a) pay US citizens/legal immigrants a lot less to do these jobs
b) accept higher prices on basic items, so employers can pay everyone more money
c) give up completely and go to Wal-Mart, where chinese labor in china will do it for us
d) (my favorite option) allow those illegal workers a way to enter legally, so we can keep US companies competitive _and_ help out some dirt poor people.

>They've already got a Spanish version of our National Anthem . . .

I just don't get the furor over this. Who the hell cares who says what in what language? Bush himself sang the National Anthem in spanish at a fundraiser, and pays for spanish-language campaign ads - so clearly he doesn't think it's wrong. Most other politicians do the same thing. If I see someone at the DZ who speaks french, I'll speak to them in french - I don't see that as a 'threat to america.' If I go to a store and no one speaks english, I could care less as long as they take my money. If I ask them where the beer is, and they can't answer me, I'll go somewhere else. Again, I don't see a big risk to our culture there.

>and turning us into a bi-lingual nation.

I hope we become a bilingual nation! It would be good for america overall. Spanish, french, vietnamese, japanese, the language itself doesn't matter - what matters is that americans will be better informed as a people if most people can speak more than one language.

Being bilingual hasn't destroyed Canada or New Orleans. Indeed, New Orleans has much more serious threats to it than speaking two languages. So does the rest of the country.

Illegal immigration is a problem, and it should be addressed. But it is not the threat to our culture that many believe it to be. Our culture is made up of dozens of cultures from other countries, with a few hundred years of our own history thrown in to change them around a bit. I don't think enchiladas, margaritas or cinco de mayo will 'destroy our culture' - indeed, they make the US a better place to live (IMO.)

[Gawain 0]

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Being bilingual hasn't destroyed Canada...

It very nearly has destroyed Canada. Quebec missed voting itself out of the federation by only 1% not long ago. The Quebec province pretty much hates everyone, and they're citizens. Head west towards British Columbia and they aren't speaking french.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Andy9o8 2]

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They've already got a Spanish version of our National Anthem and turning us into a bi-lingual nation

Oh, horrors. Before long, there will be Mexican fast-food restaurants all over the US. And if you let that happen, next thing you know, the Chinese and Italians will start opening restaurants, too. And that will be the end of American culture.

Actually, the US commissioned a Spanish-language version of the national anthem in 1919.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=139839

[Andy9o8 2]

Should I even mention that the original reason why the US is an English-speaking country is that most of the hundreds of languages that existed 300 years ago in what is now the US, along with 95% of the 12 million people who spoke them, fell victim to a virtual genocide?*

No, probably not. That’s the sort of truth that hurts too much.

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*Source:
Sharon Johnston, The Genocide of Native Americans: A Sociological View, 1996.
http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

[mnealtx 0]

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Should I even mention that the original reason why the US is an English-speaking country is that most of the hundreds of languages that existed 300 years ago in what is now the US, along with 95% of the 12 million people who spoke them, fell victim to a virtual genocide?*

No, probably not. That’s the sort of truth that hurts too much.

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*Source:
Sharon Johnston, The Genocide of Native Americans: A Sociological View, 1996.
http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

If you're going to use the argument that we should be speaking some variant of an Amerind language, be aware that reinforces even further the fact that we should not be providing all these translated documents and such.

The fact that immigrants have to pass a English proficiency test before allowing them to become citizens could be considered evidence of the fact, as well.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Andy9o8 2]

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If you're going to use the argument that we should be speaking some variant of an Amerind language,

No, I'm just pointing out that when we talk about defending American culture from the polluting influence of the unwashed invading hordes, it might behoove us to be a little less smug when looking at ourselves through the lens of long-term history.

I'm reminded of the scene from the movie "Ghandi", where the aristocratic British functionary says, "But Mr. Ghandi, India is British."

[masterrig 1]

If, a 'work permit' program were enacted, I could see where that could work. I guess, I just get tired of the bull-shit and propaganda we get in regard to this situation. I don't mind one damned bit who comes to this country to live... just do it legally.
As for singing our anthem in another language, I don't mind that at all. in fact, I think, it's kinda cool. It's the idea of bowing to a bunch of illegals and giving-in to them. They aren't supposed to be here in the first place! I'm tired too of hearing how they just come here to do the jobs that noone else wants. Picking lettuce, amounts to 'a foot in the door'. As soon as they hear from their cousin in Detroit about a high-dollar assembly line job, it's adios lettuce fields!


Chuck

[mnealtx 0]

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If you're going to use the argument that we should be speaking some variant of an Amerind language,

No, I'm just pointing out that when we talk about defending American culture from the polluting influence of the unwashed invading hordes, it might behoove us to be a little less smug when looking at ourselves through the lens of long-term history.

I'm reminded of the scene from the movie "Ghandi", where the aristocratic British functionary says, "But Mr. Ghandi, India is British."

I can understand that viewpoint...and I can also understand the viewpoint of those that are saying that the immigrant, by refusing to learn or speak English, are, in effect, refusing to integrate themselves into the larger society, and demanding that society at large change for *them*...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[masterrig 1]

Sarcasm noted. The operative word here is 'illegal'. If, they are here legally... wonderful! If they aren't here legally... adios muchacho! Illegals are NOT immigrants. An immigrant is one who comes here from another country and goes through the process to become a U.S. citizen. There seems to be a lot of confusion over this word.


Chuck

[Casurf1978 0]

The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. A border patrol agent knows more on this issue than some of the brightest political and economic minds this nation has. Illegal immigration is not a black and white issue. It's so complex that there is not right or wrong answer. One study I read from a reputable source stated that even if all eligible resident and citizens were employed there would still be a shortage of cheap labor that needs to be filled. Another study found an small net positive impact on the overall US economy of 10 billion USD. In the scheme of things this is a drop in the bucket when our GDP is in the trillions of dollars. Bottom line is we, our economy, needs cheap unskilled labor.

[MC208B 0]

How true

[kelpdiver 2]

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Well, to solve that, either we need to:

d) (my favorite option) allow those illegal workers a way to enter legally, so we can keep US companies competitive _and_ help out some dirt poor people.

That doesn't seem to solve it - legally employed workers have minimum wages and [some level] of benefits. So there will always be opportunity for people willing to work for less, and employers willing to take advantage.

Grant total amnesty for millions, and millions of jobs open up for the next wave, who can then demand amnesty 10 years later if they've never caught.

Grant a migrant worker visa to millions for below minimum wage jobs, and it's now legal for employers to cut the legs off the American workers on salary fights.

[billvon 3,120]

>Grant a migrant worker visa to millions for below minimum wage jobs,
>and it's now legal for employers to cut the legs off the American workers
>on salary fights.

Well, you can't have everything. Enforce minimum wage laws aggressively, and US farmers go out of business because farmers in other countries have cheaper labor. Turn a blind eye and US workers make less money. So in political rhetoric, you can crucify US farmers or cut the legs off american workers.

[Gawain 0]

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>Grant a migrant worker visa to millions for below minimum wage jobs,
>and it's now legal for employers to cut the legs off the American workers
>on salary fights.

Well, you can't have everything. Enforce minimum wage laws aggressively, and US farmers go out of business because farmers in other countries have cheaper labor. Turn a blind eye and US workers make less money. So in political rhetoric, you can crucify US farmers or cut the legs off american workers.

Actually, the US already subsidizes a big segment of agriculture through tax exemptions and other infusions. Someone creative might design a parallel.

However, I would not advocate that. Capitalism, would be able to adjust itself to the higher costs in labor for the segment of agriculture. The effect would not be as drastic as some might envision.

Even the high cost of gas is not having a massively destructive effect on the economy. People are adjusting because the current state is enabling them to do so. Some travel less, shop online, car pool, etc.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[billvon 3,120]

> Capitalism, would be able to adjust itself to the higher costs in labor for the segment of agriculture.

Right - we might just not like the adjustment. Remember that what's best for capitalism isn't always what's best for us.

Currently, one of those capitalistic adjustments involves moving US manufacturing, design and development out of the US. This is a 'normal' adjustment that balances wages against cost of living. It works economically, but isn't so good for the people who lose jobs.

[Gawain 0]

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Currently, one of those capitalistic adjustments involves moving US manufacturing, design and development out of the US.

This is a 'normal' adjustment that balances wages against cost of living. It works economically, but isn't so good for the people who lose jobs.

US manufacturing is up over the past 6 years, employment is relatively flat (-0.07% adjusted annually). The Merchandise Trade Deficit decreased in February along with exports, but the proportions are static in general.

References:
http://www.nemw.org/mfgfact.htm
http://www.census.gov/indicator/www/m3/
http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/industry/otea/outlooknews.htm

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[rehmwa 2]

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No, I'm just pointing out that when we talk about defending American culture from the polluting influence of the unwashed invading hordes, it might behoove us to be a little less smug when looking at ourselves through the lens of long-term history.

This has always been a pointless digression.

acknowledge, every human on the planet comes from those that survived.

acknowledge, survival usually means something unsavory (horrific) is in the ancestry

therefore, we have about 6 BILLION people on the planet with skeletons in their historical ancestry

GREAT - what do you want to do with this info? Other than just tack one culture to the fact and ignore the rest of humanity in the same issue and pretend that makes a difference.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Trent 0]

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GREAT - what do you want to do with this info? Other than just tack one culture to the fact and ignore the rest of humanity in the same issue and pretend that makes a difference.

BRAVO! You said it better than I've ever seen anyone say it. I usually just say, "That's a bullshit argument," hoping the offending party is intellectually honest enough to know when they're caught.

How about this idea...

NO amnesty for illegals here. They have to leave, go to a special embassy or work visa center outside of the country to apply for the work visa. If they are issued a visa, they can come in and work for some pre-established time frame. During their first visit, they pay no taxes (as long as the income is below some specified level). After the visa is expired, they have to go home and re-apply for a 2nd year visa... which they will have to pay some fee that is close to what the average migrant worker would usually pay in taxes. After, let's say 7 years of doing this... they are given special priority for green cards IF they've paid their fees, IF they have NO criminal record... and whatever else we want conditions to be.

This way, they work, they pay, we don't have to regulate WHAT they're paid (since that would "hurt" the farmers), and we get to make sure people getting green cards are following rules. Of course, all this HAS to be combined with increased border protection, and increased penalties for those hiring illegals.

Oh, hello again!

[kelpdiver 2]

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>Grant a migrant worker visa to millions for below minimum wage jobs,
>and it's now legal for employers to cut the legs off the American workers
>on salary fights.

Well, you can't have everything. Enforce minimum wage laws aggressively, and US farmers go out of business because farmers in other countries have cheaper labor. Turn a blind eye and US workers make less money. So in political rhetoric, you can crucify US farmers or cut the legs off american workers.

So IOW, your proposed solution is crap?

[billvon 3,120]

>So IOW, your proposed solution is crap?

Nope, but it's not perfect either. There ARE no perfect solutions. But there are several solutions that are better than what we have now.

But "your solution is crap" is a great sound bite! You could add "crucify US farmers" and "cut the legs off US workers" for good measure, and pretty soon you'd have a great article to post on a blog somewhere.

[Slappie 9]

My mailbox is being flooded with mail concerning as prices and illegal immigrants. To boycott oil companies or not; to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants or not, etc.

Since I have become jaded to the various solutions proposed by the Republicans, Democrats, Sierra Club, ACLU, etc. I have elected to solve the problems as they affect me. It solves both my gas and illegal immigrant problems.


I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car. They're plentiful and cheaper than buying gas.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."