Women's Role...

[adventurechick 0]

Ok, I used to be really into the church and what not, but not so much anymore. Besides the point, I'm home seeing family so we all went to church today. It was brought to my attention in bible study that women are not allowed to be teachers, pastors, or deacons in the church... I don't really get it. If a woman has studied her stuff, and wants to teach it... why can't she?

PMS #449 TPM #80 Muff Brother #3860
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[Icon134 0]

OK... I'm going to go here but I'm not sure I want to.

I grew up in a church that did/does allow women in positions of power in the church but I have also been to churches that are more "strict"/"literalist" and do not allow women to be in positions of power.

the best I can figure is that the bible was developed/penned/etc... in a primarily patriarchial society (i.e. men are in places of power... women are "supposed" to stay at home and bear children and there are passages in the bible that imply this (in one way or another...) the way I understand it the woman is supposed to influence her husband, educate her children, but not be active in the church herself...

Personally I think that philosophy is tutonic... I don't agree with the philosophy... I think women should be able to be pastors, deacons, elders, etc.

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

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let the fun begin

AS LONG AS THEY (women) KNOW THERE PLACE

AND STAY IN IT

now we should get some replies

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[adventurechick 0]

this is going to be interesting....

PMS #449 TPM #80 Muff Brother #3860
SCR #14705 Dirty Sanchez #233

[shropshire 0]

When they come looking for you (and they will)... get to a place that is difficult to navigate.... they cann't read maps either......


P.S this fox-hole that I'm in is full.... so dig y'own... Good Luck.

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[unformed 0]

the reason women should not be allowed in positions of power is because they are very emotional creatures who may be easily misguided into teaching things that do not really represent the voice of god.

as pastors, preachers, and other important positions, we need MEN who, even during times of emotional stress, will not falter.

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[BIGUN 1,504]

IMO - it is an archaic and ridiculous tradition. I feel the same about priests not being allowed to marry.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[kbordson 8]

OK, I wasn't wanting to get into this discussion cuz I really should be studying, but just cuz you boys annoyed me.... So Bob, Tony and Unformed, In the immortal words of Pleakley "Educate yourself!"

Women not being ordained is more a matter of dogma (an infallible statement published by a pope or an ecumenical council concerning a matter of faith or morals, the belief in which the Roman Catholic Church requires of all Christians - and a cool movie)... but the laws of man can sometimes be more limiting than the will of God.

This website discusses History of the debate over priestly ordination
http://www.religioustolerance.org/femclrg10.htm

This one reveals Catholic Perspective on: Women in Society and in the Church
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~nmcenter/women.html

And here is an article from the Washington Post on this topic
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11128-2005Apr23.html

Also if you read the DaVinci Code.. that has some cool ideas in it.

now... back to studying

Karen

edit to add the face

[Zenister 0]

the reaction against the women's role from earlier matriarchal based religions

sucks being reduced to 'just a rib' but it is all about power more than ability

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[rehmwa 2]

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I don't really get it. If a woman has studied her stuff, and wants to teach it... why can't she?

Sometimes, it's better to just dive into the pool instead of just testing the water with your toe for a while.

Other than trolling and baiting, do you really expect any conflict or debate with this one?

(Other than just giving the religion mockers another chance to bash away?)


I think I'll put up a post that is strongly against child beating. And then say "why do people do mean things? I'm against that!!"

And cat juggling, oh the humanity....

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[rasmack 0]

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... women are not allowed to be teachers, pastors, or deacons in the church... I don't really get it. If a woman has studied her stuff, and wants to teach it... why can't she?

It is bloody hard to be a priest when you are not allowed to speak.
1 Corinthians 14:34:

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Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[adventurechick 0]

my parents and i got in a heated debate about it and they said women were not allowed to teach in our church and that was final...

PMS #449 TPM #80 Muff Brother #3860
SCR #14705 Dirty Sanchez #233

[wmw999 2,600]

There are plenty of people who believe that. Some have it only applying to the church, others to life as well. It cuts across a number of religions.

If you believe there is exactly one right religion/sect/whatever that gets you into Heaven, then I suppose you have to figure out which one is the right one (because they all say they are).

Otherwise, a belief system that leads you to think about what it means to be a good person, and to try to do what it takes once you've figured it out -- that's not a bad start.

I don't believe that only men should teach.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rehmwa 2]

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my parents and i got in a heated debate about it and they said women were not allowed to teach in our church and that was final...

ahhh, the old "because I said so defense" - your parents are from a different and older generation than you are.

First off, it's really up to you to not let these get into heated debates (unless you still live with them, then it's part of your experience to grow from it. If you're an adult and out of the house, then you have to play the mature role now....)

Remember, they are very likely pretty decent people. Just, they were molded by different forces. (example - my parents are VERY decent and kind people too, but one of them, when I was younger expressed how 'nice and educated' my karate instructor seemed, she felt she needed to say that after noting that I hadn't mentioned he was a black man - that was weird to me because to me he was just "Dennis". In their upbringing, that was a pretty nice thing to say. In my upbringing, it was odd and a bit weird to feel compelled to add that just because he was black..... In my daughter's upbringing, it'll be something else where my statements are awkward. EVERYBODY will experience this as the get older. Standards change.)

Weird thing, they are probably decent people that have a lot of opinions on things that are different than what you think is the normal for society.

1 - It's not worth arguing over it. You can accept a 'we have different opinions on this' position. Best to not ask them to, just don't broach that subject.

2 - Learn from it, grow and be better. Expect your children to do that also and someday you'll be in the same place as your folks.

Some attitudes and normalities only change with new generations. One problem today is so many people demand that everybody all change NOW to accommodate their conceptions of normal. These same people will be self-righteous old fools against change later just like they now are self righteous young fools for change today. Some things take a changing of the guard and no number of protests, indignant speechifying, etc will change that.

life's funny that way

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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NOW YOU LADIES
are takeing this way to easy.

MY WIFE knows her place..and she tells me all the time


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It was brought to my attention in bible study that women are not allowed to be teachers, pastors, or deacons in the church... I don't really get it. If a woman has studied her stuff, and wants to teach it... why can't she?

I don't get it either, probably something to do with male superiority... Which is one of the many reasons that I would choose to not associate with that particular church....

[rasmack 0]

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I don't believe that only men should teach.

If you don't believe in 1 Corinthians 14:34, are there other parts of the New Testament you also choose to ignore?

Sort of a smart-ass question, I know. However, the point remains valid, and the reason I raise it is that I don't really understand christianity (or any other religion for that matter). I try to figure out how you people think. I promise you that I have been known to ask equally strange questions to jewish people.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[SkyDane 0]

If you've spend time studying Christianity, you should know that different churches weighs different parts of the bible differently.
Some say that some parts are more of a historical thing (f.ex. that women at that time wasn't suppose to be noticed much in public, and therefore shouldn't teach, but that was then and this is now)
I don't go to church much these days, but I was raised in "Indre Mission"....I'll be happy to answer your questions if I can Btw....are you coming to Pink Skyvan Boogie in Allerød?

[rasmack 0]

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If you've spend time studying Christianity, you should know that different churches weighs different parts of the bible differently.
Some say that some parts are more of a historical thing (f.ex. that women at that time wasn't suppose to be noticed much in public, and therefore shouldn't teach, but that was then and this is now)

I thought that that line of reasoning was mainly used in relation to the Old Testament. I have never seen it applied to the New Testament but hey what do I know? I'm a heathen.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[kelpdiver 2]

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If you've spend time studying Christianity, you should know that different churches weighs different parts of the bible differently.
Some say that some parts are more of a historical thing (f.ex. that women at that time wasn't suppose to be noticed much in public, and therefore shouldn't teach, but that was then and this is now)

I thought that that line of reasoning was mainly used in relation to the Old Testament. I have never seen it applied to the New Testament but hey what do I know? I'm a heathen.

much like the viewing of the US constitution as either a 'living document' or a fixed set of bylaws, different sects have choosen to evolve, or not, with modern times.