jenfly00 0 #26 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteOww, this has got to hurt! Yes it does hurt. Quote Sucks when the "maintstream" media shoots themselves in the foot, don't it? QuoteSieg Heil to all the "new patriots". 1. That went out of style, oh... 60 or so years ago. Quote Sorry. What are you guys using these days?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #27 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOww, this has got to hurt! Yes it does hurt. Quote Sucks when the "maintstream" media shoots themselves in the foot, don't it? QuoteSieg Heil to all the "new patriots". 1. That went out of style, oh... 60 or so years ago. Quote Sorry. What are you guys using these days? If I ever meet up with one, I'll let you know - are you Lefties still using "Comrade"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #28 May 7, 2006 Can you say "splitting the vote"? *sigh*... I feel like a kindergarten teacher sometimes. And the rest of the time you feel like a kindergarten student?!? Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #29 May 7, 2006 Quote Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Oh? Do you think they could report on the myriad special rights you keep claiming gay people have? If so maybe we could finally find out what they are 'cause you sure won't name any of them. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #30 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteConsidering that it almost tripled the others, it says SOMETHING. No, not really. Read my comment above about "splitting the vote" and crwtom's more detailed explanation. Here's a simpler illustration: In a population where 60% prefer chocolate and 40% prefer strawberry, run a poll with the following three choices: A) Milk chocolate B) Dark chocolate C) Strawberry You'll find that strawberry comes out the winner. Woo hoo for the strawberries. your reasoning is flawed but I have become used to that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mak 0 #31 May 7, 2006 This is an excellent example of two things: 1. Laziness - it took me all of 3 minutes to find the actual survey data. I wish some of the more prolific posters on this board would do the same instead of immediately launching into the usual right-vs-left debate. We'd save so much bandwidth and rancour! 2. Confirmation bias - The "report" agrees with what I already think, therefore it must be right (or the other way around). Here are the actual results from the company that ran the survey for Reuters and the BBC: http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbcreut.html "The most trusted specific news sources mentioned without prompting by Americans include FOX News (mentioned by 11%), CNN (11%), ABC (4%), NBC (4%), National Public Radio (3%), CBS (3%), Microsoft/MSN (2%), USA Today (2%), New York Times (2%), CNN.com (1%), Time Magazine (1%), and friends/family (1%)." Now, go back and read the Newsmax report and see if it sounds like they reported "the whole truth". Fox News is not a broadcast channel like NBC, ABC or CBS. The more appropriate comparable is CNN (and MSNBC or similar). But, because Newsmax is presumably pushing its own agenda, and the facts(that CNN and Fox are about even according to the survey) does not fit their plan, they've selectively chosen to omit that little detail. You couldn't do much worse than believing what Newsmax publishes without at least occasionally checking for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #32 May 7, 2006 QuoteLaziness - it took me all of 3 minutes to find the actual survey data. I wish some of the more prolific posters on this board would do the same instead of immediately launching into the usual right-vs-left debate. We'd save so much bandwidth and rancour! Some of us DID do a search... QuoteConfirmation bias - The "report" agrees with what I already think, therefore it must be right (or the other way around). Kind of like the "Newsmax bias", right? QuoteYou couldn't do much worse than believing what Newsmax publishes without at least occasionally checking for yourself. Absolutely. I especially like how your quote from Globescan, with the text listing Fox ahead of CNN (also the image attached) and then try to say that it's Newmax's bias... A few more examples... Reuters, Yahoo News, ABC...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mak 0 #33 May 7, 2006 I didn't dispute that the survey showed Fox led CNN. 11% for both indicates that they were close, and with the ordering of the networks names it is clear that Fox News led CNN. I said : 1. "CNN and Fox are about even according to the survey" 2. "The more appropriate comparable is CNN (and MSNBC or similar)" That you chose to attribute my response to a preference for CNN vs Fox is an example of the jump to conclusions and the eventual degeneration of the discussion that I was talking about to start with. FYI I don't depend on either (though I read both, along with the WSJ and the BBC). Regardless of what my personal views are, can you in all honesty say that Newsmax reported what the survey found, completely and accurately after having read the actual survey results? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #34 May 7, 2006 QuoteI just decided to have some fun with this!! _______________________________________ With those figures, you should be able to have a lot of fun! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #35 May 7, 2006 QuoteThat you chose to attribute my response to a preference for CNN vs Fox is an example of the jump to conclusions and the eventual degeneration of the discussion that I was talking about to start with I said much the same thing back in post #9. This crowd is spectacular at taking any criticism of their reasoning as an attack on their politics. This is especially true when the criticism is justified. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #36 May 7, 2006 QuoteRegardless of what my personal views are, can you in all honesty say that Newsmax reported what the survey found, completely and accurately after having read the actual survey results? I'd have to go read Newsmax's reporting of the survey. My point was that the tone of your post made it appear as if Newsmax was showing a bias toward Fox, and pointed out that the polling company's own report, as well as the other reports listed all confirmed the same story. --break break-- Ok, I've read the Newsmax report, and see the part talking about it leading the network news... I still disagree with your point. Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. For Newsmax to say "Fox news led the broadcast networks by substantial margins" is certainly the truth, but perhaps a bit shaded, if you want to look at it in that light. The bald words are certainly true. A better gambit would have been to say "Fox News and CNN News both led the broadcast networks", and would certainly have been equally as true.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #37 May 7, 2006 I agree, Fox is trustworthy here: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002715.htm FOX 'NEWS' POLL: Bush Approval at 33% http://www.bradblog.com/Images/BushApprovalRating_Fox33.jpg _______________________________________________________ Whereas that liberal CNN rated hIs approval at 32% http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/24/bush.poll/ "In the telephone poll of 1,012 adult Americans carried out Friday through Sunday by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, 32 percent of respondents said they approve of Bush's performance,..." So CNN is wayyyyyyyyyyy off! BTW, the same article has Fox reporting 33% as well. I guess it's a courtesy bump for their homey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites penniless 0 #38 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote11 percent Only those with a very weak grasp of statistics could consider 11% a meaningful "win". It must really chap the Liberal's asses that all the other "mainstream" media couldn't even pull THAT much... Really? The BBC and CNN look pretty good if you quit being so parochial. Was there a particular part of "most trusted source in U.S." that you didn't understand? *hint: look at the thread title, it's right there* What don't you understand about "parochial"? The thread title is parochial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mak 0 #39 May 7, 2006 I'd have to go read Newsmax's reporting of the survey. My point was that the tone of your post made it appear as if Newsmax was showing a bias toward Fox, and pointed out that the polling company's own report, as well as the other reports listed all confirmed the same story. --break break-- Ok, I've read the Newsmax report, and see the part talking about it leading the network news... I still disagree with your point. Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. For Newsmax to say "Fox news led the broadcast networks by substantial margins" is certainly the truth, but perhaps a bit shaded, if you want to look at it in that light. The bald words are certainly true. A better gambit would have been to say "Fox News and CNN News both led the broadcast networks", and would certainly have been equally as true. I agree completely. Unfortunately if a reader did not actually go and look at the globescan results they'd never know how much to weigh the conclusion. Another detail that is relevant to the results is that the survey had a margin of error of +-3%. When you factor that in, Fox may lead CNN by a little over 6% (very very unlikely) or CNN may lead Fox (by a little less than 6% (also very very unlikely)!. Finally, Yahoo, ABCNews and the other outlets are repeating what Reuters reported without actually analysing whether the Reuters writer drew an accurate conclusion. That's one of the drawbacks of syndicated news. The only way to really make sure is to read the report. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote11 percent Only those with a very weak grasp of statistics could consider 11% a meaningful "win". It must really chap the Liberal's asses that all the other "mainstream" media couldn't even pull THAT much... Really? The BBC and CNN look pretty good if you quit being so parochial. Was there a particular part of "most trusted source in U.S." that you didn't understand? *hint: look at the thread title, it's right there* What don't you understand about "parochial"? The thread title is parochial. So was there a point, or was that just a thread-crap? The original poster was speaking of news preference in the United States. I'm sure if he wanted to talk about worldwide, he would have mentioned the BBC and CNN, as the report did. It was a good throw at a hijack, however... + points for that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #41 May 7, 2006 Quote Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. Following up on Narci's split the vote theme. 4+4+3 = 11 = Fox. So half like Fox, half like one of the three classic broadcast sources. Seems just like the last two Presidential elections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #42 May 7, 2006 blah blah blah The article did mention the most trusted in the world (CNN) and it metioned the most trusted in America by Americans. So chill out, many different spins on this poll have been read by me and (as I posted above) I was having a little pointed fun So, quit taking yourself quite so serously and have a beer....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #43 May 7, 2006 Let's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #44 May 7, 2006 QuoteLet's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. Well, that settles it then. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #45 May 7, 2006 QuoteLet's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. And your point is what exactly?? I have not said anything about wheter Fox is right leaning or not (On this tread anyway). That was not the point of this thread. Of course Fox leans more to the right but compared to what? ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC ect ect ect. One thing is evident to me though. Those that like the left leaning networks are scared to death that a popular news outlet counters their bs. No more monopoly so what do they (the left do?) spin, tear down, try anything they can to make FOX irrelevant. Well it did not (is not) work(ing). They (the main networks) are slowly becoming the irrelevant ones. Well, I guess I followed your thread hijak. Oh well...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #46 May 7, 2006 QuoteWhen is Amazon going to show up and reiterate her "government approved news source" fantasies? Only those drinking the red koolaid could even possibly believe this... I would say their statistical sampling was biased.. like asking in the Red states... DUH Oh no it could not POSSIBLY be the American version of TASS.....who did the appoint for the White House spokesman of the president??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #47 May 8, 2006 QuoteQuote Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Oh? Do you think they could report on the myriad special rights you keep claiming gay people have? If so maybe we could finally find out what they are 'cause you sure won't name any of them. You stated in a different thread that you didn't want to participate in thread hijackings, guess that only applies when you don't want to answer questions eh? And again, what is a "first class immigrant"?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #48 May 8, 2006 See, I don't think using one news source is a valid way to understand the situation. I'll check three, four, or more sources when something piques my interest. Generally, if all say "A" occurred, then it's rather likely that "A" in fact occurred. My brother swears Fox is middle of the road. My Dad swears that the LA Times is middle of the road. It's all about perspective, I guess...as for Fox News being most trusted, for me, it's simply a starting point to research. Like MSNBC is... Hey, even Bill Von has sourced stuff from Fox...Can't be all bad when our resident liberal leftie uses it... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #49 May 8, 2006 Quote My brother swears Fox is middle of the road. My Dad swears that the LA Times is middle of the road. It's all about perspective, I guess...as for Fox News being most trusted, for me, it's simply a starting point to research. Like MSNBC is... Hey, even Bill Von has sourced stuff from Fox...Can't be all bad when our resident liberal leftie uses it... Ciels- Michele I have what should be a simple question. What if a news source just told you what happened, didn't insert their opinion, allowed people from opposing points of view to calmly and respectfully have an exchage of those views......would that be considered "liberal"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #50 May 8, 2006 QuoteI have what should be a simple question. What if a news source just told you what happened, didn't insert their opinion, allowed people from opposing points of view to calmly and respectfully have an exchage of those views......would that be considered "liberal"? Great question. Simple answer: no. Not liberal or conservative, just information and opinions from the guests. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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mnealtx 0 #27 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOww, this has got to hurt! Yes it does hurt. Quote Sucks when the "maintstream" media shoots themselves in the foot, don't it? QuoteSieg Heil to all the "new patriots". 1. That went out of style, oh... 60 or so years ago. Quote Sorry. What are you guys using these days? If I ever meet up with one, I'll let you know - are you Lefties still using "Comrade"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #28 May 7, 2006 Can you say "splitting the vote"? *sigh*... I feel like a kindergarten teacher sometimes. And the rest of the time you feel like a kindergarten student?!? Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #29 May 7, 2006 Quote Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Oh? Do you think they could report on the myriad special rights you keep claiming gay people have? If so maybe we could finally find out what they are 'cause you sure won't name any of them. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #30 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteConsidering that it almost tripled the others, it says SOMETHING. No, not really. Read my comment above about "splitting the vote" and crwtom's more detailed explanation. Here's a simpler illustration: In a population where 60% prefer chocolate and 40% prefer strawberry, run a poll with the following three choices: A) Milk chocolate B) Dark chocolate C) Strawberry You'll find that strawberry comes out the winner. Woo hoo for the strawberries. your reasoning is flawed but I have become used to that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mak 0 #31 May 7, 2006 This is an excellent example of two things: 1. Laziness - it took me all of 3 minutes to find the actual survey data. I wish some of the more prolific posters on this board would do the same instead of immediately launching into the usual right-vs-left debate. We'd save so much bandwidth and rancour! 2. Confirmation bias - The "report" agrees with what I already think, therefore it must be right (or the other way around). Here are the actual results from the company that ran the survey for Reuters and the BBC: http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbcreut.html "The most trusted specific news sources mentioned without prompting by Americans include FOX News (mentioned by 11%), CNN (11%), ABC (4%), NBC (4%), National Public Radio (3%), CBS (3%), Microsoft/MSN (2%), USA Today (2%), New York Times (2%), CNN.com (1%), Time Magazine (1%), and friends/family (1%)." Now, go back and read the Newsmax report and see if it sounds like they reported "the whole truth". Fox News is not a broadcast channel like NBC, ABC or CBS. The more appropriate comparable is CNN (and MSNBC or similar). But, because Newsmax is presumably pushing its own agenda, and the facts(that CNN and Fox are about even according to the survey) does not fit their plan, they've selectively chosen to omit that little detail. You couldn't do much worse than believing what Newsmax publishes without at least occasionally checking for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #32 May 7, 2006 QuoteLaziness - it took me all of 3 minutes to find the actual survey data. I wish some of the more prolific posters on this board would do the same instead of immediately launching into the usual right-vs-left debate. We'd save so much bandwidth and rancour! Some of us DID do a search... QuoteConfirmation bias - The "report" agrees with what I already think, therefore it must be right (or the other way around). Kind of like the "Newsmax bias", right? QuoteYou couldn't do much worse than believing what Newsmax publishes without at least occasionally checking for yourself. Absolutely. I especially like how your quote from Globescan, with the text listing Fox ahead of CNN (also the image attached) and then try to say that it's Newmax's bias... A few more examples... Reuters, Yahoo News, ABC...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mak 0 #33 May 7, 2006 I didn't dispute that the survey showed Fox led CNN. 11% for both indicates that they were close, and with the ordering of the networks names it is clear that Fox News led CNN. I said : 1. "CNN and Fox are about even according to the survey" 2. "The more appropriate comparable is CNN (and MSNBC or similar)" That you chose to attribute my response to a preference for CNN vs Fox is an example of the jump to conclusions and the eventual degeneration of the discussion that I was talking about to start with. FYI I don't depend on either (though I read both, along with the WSJ and the BBC). Regardless of what my personal views are, can you in all honesty say that Newsmax reported what the survey found, completely and accurately after having read the actual survey results? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #34 May 7, 2006 QuoteI just decided to have some fun with this!! _______________________________________ With those figures, you should be able to have a lot of fun! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #35 May 7, 2006 QuoteThat you chose to attribute my response to a preference for CNN vs Fox is an example of the jump to conclusions and the eventual degeneration of the discussion that I was talking about to start with I said much the same thing back in post #9. This crowd is spectacular at taking any criticism of their reasoning as an attack on their politics. This is especially true when the criticism is justified. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #36 May 7, 2006 QuoteRegardless of what my personal views are, can you in all honesty say that Newsmax reported what the survey found, completely and accurately after having read the actual survey results? I'd have to go read Newsmax's reporting of the survey. My point was that the tone of your post made it appear as if Newsmax was showing a bias toward Fox, and pointed out that the polling company's own report, as well as the other reports listed all confirmed the same story. --break break-- Ok, I've read the Newsmax report, and see the part talking about it leading the network news... I still disagree with your point. Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. For Newsmax to say "Fox news led the broadcast networks by substantial margins" is certainly the truth, but perhaps a bit shaded, if you want to look at it in that light. The bald words are certainly true. A better gambit would have been to say "Fox News and CNN News both led the broadcast networks", and would certainly have been equally as true.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #37 May 7, 2006 I agree, Fox is trustworthy here: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002715.htm FOX 'NEWS' POLL: Bush Approval at 33% http://www.bradblog.com/Images/BushApprovalRating_Fox33.jpg _______________________________________________________ Whereas that liberal CNN rated hIs approval at 32% http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/24/bush.poll/ "In the telephone poll of 1,012 adult Americans carried out Friday through Sunday by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, 32 percent of respondents said they approve of Bush's performance,..." So CNN is wayyyyyyyyyyy off! BTW, the same article has Fox reporting 33% as well. I guess it's a courtesy bump for their homey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites penniless 0 #38 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote11 percent Only those with a very weak grasp of statistics could consider 11% a meaningful "win". It must really chap the Liberal's asses that all the other "mainstream" media couldn't even pull THAT much... Really? The BBC and CNN look pretty good if you quit being so parochial. Was there a particular part of "most trusted source in U.S." that you didn't understand? *hint: look at the thread title, it's right there* What don't you understand about "parochial"? The thread title is parochial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mak 0 #39 May 7, 2006 I'd have to go read Newsmax's reporting of the survey. My point was that the tone of your post made it appear as if Newsmax was showing a bias toward Fox, and pointed out that the polling company's own report, as well as the other reports listed all confirmed the same story. --break break-- Ok, I've read the Newsmax report, and see the part talking about it leading the network news... I still disagree with your point. Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. For Newsmax to say "Fox news led the broadcast networks by substantial margins" is certainly the truth, but perhaps a bit shaded, if you want to look at it in that light. The bald words are certainly true. A better gambit would have been to say "Fox News and CNN News both led the broadcast networks", and would certainly have been equally as true. I agree completely. Unfortunately if a reader did not actually go and look at the globescan results they'd never know how much to weigh the conclusion. Another detail that is relevant to the results is that the survey had a margin of error of +-3%. When you factor that in, Fox may lead CNN by a little over 6% (very very unlikely) or CNN may lead Fox (by a little less than 6% (also very very unlikely)!. Finally, Yahoo, ABCNews and the other outlets are repeating what Reuters reported without actually analysing whether the Reuters writer drew an accurate conclusion. That's one of the drawbacks of syndicated news. The only way to really make sure is to read the report. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote11 percent Only those with a very weak grasp of statistics could consider 11% a meaningful "win". It must really chap the Liberal's asses that all the other "mainstream" media couldn't even pull THAT much... Really? The BBC and CNN look pretty good if you quit being so parochial. Was there a particular part of "most trusted source in U.S." that you didn't understand? *hint: look at the thread title, it's right there* What don't you understand about "parochial"? The thread title is parochial. So was there a point, or was that just a thread-crap? The original poster was speaking of news preference in the United States. I'm sure if he wanted to talk about worldwide, he would have mentioned the BBC and CNN, as the report did. It was a good throw at a hijack, however... + points for that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #41 May 7, 2006 Quote Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. Following up on Narci's split the vote theme. 4+4+3 = 11 = Fox. So half like Fox, half like one of the three classic broadcast sources. Seems just like the last two Presidential elections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #42 May 7, 2006 blah blah blah The article did mention the most trusted in the world (CNN) and it metioned the most trusted in America by Americans. So chill out, many different spins on this poll have been read by me and (as I posted above) I was having a little pointed fun So, quit taking yourself quite so serously and have a beer....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #43 May 7, 2006 Let's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #44 May 7, 2006 QuoteLet's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. Well, that settles it then. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #45 May 7, 2006 QuoteLet's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. And your point is what exactly?? I have not said anything about wheter Fox is right leaning or not (On this tread anyway). That was not the point of this thread. Of course Fox leans more to the right but compared to what? ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC ect ect ect. One thing is evident to me though. Those that like the left leaning networks are scared to death that a popular news outlet counters their bs. No more monopoly so what do they (the left do?) spin, tear down, try anything they can to make FOX irrelevant. Well it did not (is not) work(ing). They (the main networks) are slowly becoming the irrelevant ones. Well, I guess I followed your thread hijak. Oh well...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #46 May 7, 2006 QuoteWhen is Amazon going to show up and reiterate her "government approved news source" fantasies? Only those drinking the red koolaid could even possibly believe this... I would say their statistical sampling was biased.. like asking in the Red states... DUH Oh no it could not POSSIBLY be the American version of TASS.....who did the appoint for the White House spokesman of the president??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #47 May 8, 2006 QuoteQuote Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Oh? Do you think they could report on the myriad special rights you keep claiming gay people have? If so maybe we could finally find out what they are 'cause you sure won't name any of them. You stated in a different thread that you didn't want to participate in thread hijackings, guess that only applies when you don't want to answer questions eh? And again, what is a "first class immigrant"?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #48 May 8, 2006 See, I don't think using one news source is a valid way to understand the situation. I'll check three, four, or more sources when something piques my interest. Generally, if all say "A" occurred, then it's rather likely that "A" in fact occurred. My brother swears Fox is middle of the road. My Dad swears that the LA Times is middle of the road. It's all about perspective, I guess...as for Fox News being most trusted, for me, it's simply a starting point to research. Like MSNBC is... Hey, even Bill Von has sourced stuff from Fox...Can't be all bad when our resident liberal leftie uses it... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #49 May 8, 2006 Quote My brother swears Fox is middle of the road. My Dad swears that the LA Times is middle of the road. It's all about perspective, I guess...as for Fox News being most trusted, for me, it's simply a starting point to research. Like MSNBC is... Hey, even Bill Von has sourced stuff from Fox...Can't be all bad when our resident liberal leftie uses it... Ciels- Michele I have what should be a simple question. What if a news source just told you what happened, didn't insert their opinion, allowed people from opposing points of view to calmly and respectfully have an exchage of those views......would that be considered "liberal"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #50 May 8, 2006 QuoteI have what should be a simple question. What if a news source just told you what happened, didn't insert their opinion, allowed people from opposing points of view to calmly and respectfully have an exchage of those views......would that be considered "liberal"? Great question. Simple answer: no. Not liberal or conservative, just information and opinions from the guests. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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MC208B 0 #28 May 7, 2006 Can you say "splitting the vote"? *sigh*... I feel like a kindergarten teacher sometimes. And the rest of the time you feel like a kindergarten student?!? Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #29 May 7, 2006 Quote Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Oh? Do you think they could report on the myriad special rights you keep claiming gay people have? If so maybe we could finally find out what they are 'cause you sure won't name any of them. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #30 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteConsidering that it almost tripled the others, it says SOMETHING. No, not really. Read my comment above about "splitting the vote" and crwtom's more detailed explanation. Here's a simpler illustration: In a population where 60% prefer chocolate and 40% prefer strawberry, run a poll with the following three choices: A) Milk chocolate B) Dark chocolate C) Strawberry You'll find that strawberry comes out the winner. Woo hoo for the strawberries. your reasoning is flawed but I have become used to that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mak 0 #31 May 7, 2006 This is an excellent example of two things: 1. Laziness - it took me all of 3 minutes to find the actual survey data. I wish some of the more prolific posters on this board would do the same instead of immediately launching into the usual right-vs-left debate. We'd save so much bandwidth and rancour! 2. Confirmation bias - The "report" agrees with what I already think, therefore it must be right (or the other way around). Here are the actual results from the company that ran the survey for Reuters and the BBC: http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbcreut.html "The most trusted specific news sources mentioned without prompting by Americans include FOX News (mentioned by 11%), CNN (11%), ABC (4%), NBC (4%), National Public Radio (3%), CBS (3%), Microsoft/MSN (2%), USA Today (2%), New York Times (2%), CNN.com (1%), Time Magazine (1%), and friends/family (1%)." Now, go back and read the Newsmax report and see if it sounds like they reported "the whole truth". Fox News is not a broadcast channel like NBC, ABC or CBS. The more appropriate comparable is CNN (and MSNBC or similar). But, because Newsmax is presumably pushing its own agenda, and the facts(that CNN and Fox are about even according to the survey) does not fit their plan, they've selectively chosen to omit that little detail. You couldn't do much worse than believing what Newsmax publishes without at least occasionally checking for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 May 7, 2006 QuoteLaziness - it took me all of 3 minutes to find the actual survey data. I wish some of the more prolific posters on this board would do the same instead of immediately launching into the usual right-vs-left debate. We'd save so much bandwidth and rancour! Some of us DID do a search... QuoteConfirmation bias - The "report" agrees with what I already think, therefore it must be right (or the other way around). Kind of like the "Newsmax bias", right? QuoteYou couldn't do much worse than believing what Newsmax publishes without at least occasionally checking for yourself. Absolutely. I especially like how your quote from Globescan, with the text listing Fox ahead of CNN (also the image attached) and then try to say that it's Newmax's bias... A few more examples... Reuters, Yahoo News, ABC...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mak 0 #33 May 7, 2006 I didn't dispute that the survey showed Fox led CNN. 11% for both indicates that they were close, and with the ordering of the networks names it is clear that Fox News led CNN. I said : 1. "CNN and Fox are about even according to the survey" 2. "The more appropriate comparable is CNN (and MSNBC or similar)" That you chose to attribute my response to a preference for CNN vs Fox is an example of the jump to conclusions and the eventual degeneration of the discussion that I was talking about to start with. FYI I don't depend on either (though I read both, along with the WSJ and the BBC). Regardless of what my personal views are, can you in all honesty say that Newsmax reported what the survey found, completely and accurately after having read the actual survey results? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #34 May 7, 2006 QuoteI just decided to have some fun with this!! _______________________________________ With those figures, you should be able to have a lot of fun! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #35 May 7, 2006 QuoteThat you chose to attribute my response to a preference for CNN vs Fox is an example of the jump to conclusions and the eventual degeneration of the discussion that I was talking about to start with I said much the same thing back in post #9. This crowd is spectacular at taking any criticism of their reasoning as an attack on their politics. This is especially true when the criticism is justified. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 May 7, 2006 QuoteRegardless of what my personal views are, can you in all honesty say that Newsmax reported what the survey found, completely and accurately after having read the actual survey results? I'd have to go read Newsmax's reporting of the survey. My point was that the tone of your post made it appear as if Newsmax was showing a bias toward Fox, and pointed out that the polling company's own report, as well as the other reports listed all confirmed the same story. --break break-- Ok, I've read the Newsmax report, and see the part talking about it leading the network news... I still disagree with your point. Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. For Newsmax to say "Fox news led the broadcast networks by substantial margins" is certainly the truth, but perhaps a bit shaded, if you want to look at it in that light. The bald words are certainly true. A better gambit would have been to say "Fox News and CNN News both led the broadcast networks", and would certainly have been equally as true.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #37 May 7, 2006 I agree, Fox is trustworthy here: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002715.htm FOX 'NEWS' POLL: Bush Approval at 33% http://www.bradblog.com/Images/BushApprovalRating_Fox33.jpg _______________________________________________________ Whereas that liberal CNN rated hIs approval at 32% http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/24/bush.poll/ "In the telephone poll of 1,012 adult Americans carried out Friday through Sunday by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, 32 percent of respondents said they approve of Bush's performance,..." So CNN is wayyyyyyyyyyy off! BTW, the same article has Fox reporting 33% as well. I guess it's a courtesy bump for their homey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #38 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote11 percent Only those with a very weak grasp of statistics could consider 11% a meaningful "win". It must really chap the Liberal's asses that all the other "mainstream" media couldn't even pull THAT much... Really? The BBC and CNN look pretty good if you quit being so parochial. Was there a particular part of "most trusted source in U.S." that you didn't understand? *hint: look at the thread title, it's right there* What don't you understand about "parochial"? The thread title is parochial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mak 0 #39 May 7, 2006 I'd have to go read Newsmax's reporting of the survey. My point was that the tone of your post made it appear as if Newsmax was showing a bias toward Fox, and pointed out that the polling company's own report, as well as the other reports listed all confirmed the same story. --break break-- Ok, I've read the Newsmax report, and see the part talking about it leading the network news... I still disagree with your point. Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. For Newsmax to say "Fox news led the broadcast networks by substantial margins" is certainly the truth, but perhaps a bit shaded, if you want to look at it in that light. The bald words are certainly true. A better gambit would have been to say "Fox News and CNN News both led the broadcast networks", and would certainly have been equally as true. I agree completely. Unfortunately if a reader did not actually go and look at the globescan results they'd never know how much to weigh the conclusion. Another detail that is relevant to the results is that the survey had a margin of error of +-3%. When you factor that in, Fox may lead CNN by a little over 6% (very very unlikely) or CNN may lead Fox (by a little less than 6% (also very very unlikely)!. Finally, Yahoo, ABCNews and the other outlets are repeating what Reuters reported without actually analysing whether the Reuters writer drew an accurate conclusion. That's one of the drawbacks of syndicated news. The only way to really make sure is to read the report. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote11 percent Only those with a very weak grasp of statistics could consider 11% a meaningful "win". It must really chap the Liberal's asses that all the other "mainstream" media couldn't even pull THAT much... Really? The BBC and CNN look pretty good if you quit being so parochial. Was there a particular part of "most trusted source in U.S." that you didn't understand? *hint: look at the thread title, it's right there* What don't you understand about "parochial"? The thread title is parochial. So was there a point, or was that just a thread-crap? The original poster was speaking of news preference in the United States. I'm sure if he wanted to talk about worldwide, he would have mentioned the BBC and CNN, as the report did. It was a good throw at a hijack, however... + points for that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 May 7, 2006 Quote Fox News garnered 10% of the vote, ABC/NBC took 4% each, and CBS 3%. Following up on Narci's split the vote theme. 4+4+3 = 11 = Fox. So half like Fox, half like one of the three classic broadcast sources. Seems just like the last two Presidential elections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 May 7, 2006 blah blah blah The article did mention the most trusted in the world (CNN) and it metioned the most trusted in America by Americans. So chill out, many different spins on this poll have been read by me and (as I posted above) I was having a little pointed fun So, quit taking yourself quite so serously and have a beer....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #43 May 7, 2006 Let's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #44 May 7, 2006 QuoteLet's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. Well, that settles it then. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 May 7, 2006 QuoteLet's put it this way: My devoutly religious, very conservative, lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Republican father-in-law refers to FoxNews (which he watches a lot) as "that right-wing news channel." That speaks volumes right there: if he can see Fox for what it is, anybody should. And your point is what exactly?? I have not said anything about wheter Fox is right leaning or not (On this tread anyway). That was not the point of this thread. Of course Fox leans more to the right but compared to what? ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC ect ect ect. One thing is evident to me though. Those that like the left leaning networks are scared to death that a popular news outlet counters their bs. No more monopoly so what do they (the left do?) spin, tear down, try anything they can to make FOX irrelevant. Well it did not (is not) work(ing). They (the main networks) are slowly becoming the irrelevant ones. Well, I guess I followed your thread hijak. Oh well...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 May 7, 2006 QuoteWhen is Amazon going to show up and reiterate her "government approved news source" fantasies? Only those drinking the red koolaid could even possibly believe this... I would say their statistical sampling was biased.. like asking in the Red states... DUH Oh no it could not POSSIBLY be the American version of TASS.....who did the appoint for the White House spokesman of the president??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #47 May 8, 2006 QuoteQuote Fox is very good news source BTW!!! Oh? Do you think they could report on the myriad special rights you keep claiming gay people have? If so maybe we could finally find out what they are 'cause you sure won't name any of them. You stated in a different thread that you didn't want to participate in thread hijackings, guess that only applies when you don't want to answer questions eh? And again, what is a "first class immigrant"?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #48 May 8, 2006 See, I don't think using one news source is a valid way to understand the situation. I'll check three, four, or more sources when something piques my interest. Generally, if all say "A" occurred, then it's rather likely that "A" in fact occurred. My brother swears Fox is middle of the road. My Dad swears that the LA Times is middle of the road. It's all about perspective, I guess...as for Fox News being most trusted, for me, it's simply a starting point to research. Like MSNBC is... Hey, even Bill Von has sourced stuff from Fox...Can't be all bad when our resident liberal leftie uses it... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #49 May 8, 2006 Quote My brother swears Fox is middle of the road. My Dad swears that the LA Times is middle of the road. It's all about perspective, I guess...as for Fox News being most trusted, for me, it's simply a starting point to research. Like MSNBC is... Hey, even Bill Von has sourced stuff from Fox...Can't be all bad when our resident liberal leftie uses it... Ciels- Michele I have what should be a simple question. What if a news source just told you what happened, didn't insert their opinion, allowed people from opposing points of view to calmly and respectfully have an exchage of those views......would that be considered "liberal"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #50 May 8, 2006 QuoteI have what should be a simple question. What if a news source just told you what happened, didn't insert their opinion, allowed people from opposing points of view to calmly and respectfully have an exchage of those views......would that be considered "liberal"? Great question. Simple answer: no. Not liberal or conservative, just information and opinions from the guests. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
