turtlespeed 226 #26 May 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe all do stupid things from time to time. I almost rolled sideswiped a motorcycle rider myself when I couldn't look left while switching lanes - I could have dropped my phone. It's hard to keep your phone on one ear, eat a McMuffin, have hot coffee between your legs and drive with your knees....... Pretty much what I'd expect from a pencil pushin' ambulance chaser Peace, Z Sigh - Look - if you are going to try to insult a guy - go after his sense of morality - I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #27 May 5, 2006 That's quite possibly the greatest piece of literature I've ever read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #28 May 5, 2006 Quote... an excellent example of why we should have graduated licensing for young riders/drivers/skydivers. We don't already? You can ride any CC motorcycle with any rating on your driver's license? We also have a learner's permit for new drivers. -And the only reason I got my stupid 'B' license was to get to jump a fun jumpship. (& I still haven't done it anyway, but that's neither here nor there...) We do have progressive licensing. It's what an individual does after they've earned the license on a daily basis that we don't regulate, and that's what kills people. In my opinion.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #29 May 5, 2006 QuoteWe don't already? Not in AZ. 1st time ever with a bike endorsement on my licence, and I can get any freaking bike I want. My Hayabusa is on oder. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #30 May 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe don't already? Not in AZ. 1st time ever with a bike endorsement on my licence, and I can get any freaking bike I want. My Hayabusa is on oder. My bad. Maybe CC ratings is just here in Washington state. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #31 May 5, 2006 in TN you can get any size bike you want, any CC with your learners permit for a bike. but most folks here dont bother, they just buy and ride. not like the dealership checks to see you have a motorcycle license.... As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdthomas 0 #32 May 5, 2006 QuoteQuote As an EMT we see alot of cycle wrecks and most of them are on race style bikes! and most of the guys are young and new to the bike and riding! Joe I would guess that a lot of them are also not wearing leathers / helmets / etc? Well thats the kicker. No most are not wearing helmets or leathers. kansas is helmet choice state. However most of the cases and almost 99% of them infact... would have had no affect with helmet or leathers! It is just shear/ impact trauma and that can make anyones day bad! While I am here let me say that. seatbelts don't do any good if you are not wearing them! and alot of people will argue that they know someone that would have died if they had a seatbelt on.. but most of the time it is proven that seat belts save lives. Perhaps the two 24yr old boys that we worked at 6am this morning would be better off (as in walking) if they had seatbelts on last night when they drove off into the gully thru the woods! Our first pt was paralized and I took him to the chopper and the other kid took 2hrs of extracation to get the car out from around him.. he was broken from about the c4 down! Seatbelts,helmets, and leathers are all part of your transportation needs. Joewww.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #33 May 5, 2006 Quotenot like the dealership checks to see you have a motorcycle license.... They don't?! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #34 May 5, 2006 A little chlorine in the gene pool every now and then is a good thing.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RandomLemming 0 #35 May 5, 2006 Quote Not in AZ. 1st time ever with a bike endorsement on my licence, and I can get any freaking bike I want. My Hayabusa is on oder. You're getting a 'busa as your first bike? What on earth is the insurance on that thing going to rush you? Not sure if you've ridden one yet, but if not, well, you're going to love it :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #36 May 5, 2006 QuoteQuote It's crap like this that proves that racing motorcycles are best left to the tracks by experienced racers, not on public roads... Yep, that's simply brilliant, Billy. Let's ban all sport bikes from public streets simply because you managed to find a single 10 year old instance of a motorcyclist actually killing someone besides himself. Z You mis-read my quote. I meant you should not ride a motorcycle at racing speeds on public roads. Sure, everybody's got a right to ride what they want if they're trained for it. This incident is an example of what NOT to do on public roads. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #37 May 6, 2006 Quote You mis-read my quote. I meant you should not ride a motorcycle at racing speeds on public roads.....This incident is an example of what NOT to do on public roads. Oh, I'm terribly sorry, Billy. Now that I realize your post was purely an altruistic gesture aimed at saving the lives of your fellow skydivers, I feel that I can help further your cause of keeping us all safe on the road. Here's another example of what not to do on public streets - without the incident photographs.... Driver kills three motorcyclists, pays $70 in fines Mar. 9 – In Iowa, a man driving a van crossed the centerline of a road and hit six approaching motorcyclists head-on, killing three and seriously injuring two others. Recently he was fined $70—a penalty that the state’s attorney general is now asking the state Supreme Court to review with an eye on allowing a stiffer fine and jail time. The case involves Gary Lee Butler, 49, of Des Moines, who was convicted of failing to maintain control of his van, and driving on the wrong side of the road. The high court hasn’t indicated whether it will hear the case. On June 22, 2002, Butler was driving a van along U.S. Highway 30 near Chelsea, west of Cedar Rapids, when he crossed the centerline and plowed into six motorcyclists. Motorcyclists Arlen Pickering, 53, of Story City, Douglas Sampson, 51, of Ames, and Ross Holland, 57, of Boone, were killed in the crash. Motorcyclist Richard Vauble of Ames lost his right leg above the knee, while James Olson, of Ames, spent almost four months in the hospital unconscious. Wayne Wierson, also of Ames, suffered minor injuries. In January, a jury found Butler not guilty of three counts of vehicular homicide and two counts of serious injury by vehicle. A judge then found Butler guilty of the two traffic violations and on February 5 fined him $70. Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #38 May 6, 2006 I call BS on that picture... where's the blood? How did they extricate the bodies and cleanup the wreck enough to put the vehicle on display? It would take a serious cleaning to get all the body parts, brain-matter, organs, combustible fluids, etc out of the vehicle so it didn't smell up the place. Being a long-time rider I've seen a few gruesome impacts and none were as sterile-looking as this one. Cars usually have a lot of spatter and puddles in the driver area after something like this. I doubt the rider and passenger's were "thrown-clear". Ripped to pieces seems more plausible.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #39 May 6, 2006 In Iowa, a man driving a van crossed the centerline of a road and hit six approaching motorcyclists head-on, killing three and seriously injuring two others. Right. You should not drive any vehicle on the wrong side of the road OR drive any vehicle (automobile or motorcycle) at racing speeds on public highways.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #40 May 6, 2006 >where's the blood? Oh, I suspect it's there if you look closely enough. They probably cleaned it up a bit so no one would get sick immediately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #41 May 6, 2006 QuoteQuote Not in AZ. 1st time ever with a bike endorsement on my licence, and I can get any freaking bike I want. My Hayabusa is on oder. You're getting a 'busa as your first bike? What on earth is the insurance on that thing going to rush you? Not sure if you've ridden one yet, but if not, well, you're going to love it :) Who needs insurance since I'll be dead in a few weeks ! PS: I am not getting a busa. Its whats called a joke .Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #42 May 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Not in AZ. 1st time ever with a bike endorsement on my licence, and I can get any freaking bike I want. My Hayabusa is on oder. You're getting a 'busa as your first bike? What on earth is the insurance on that thing going to rush you? Not sure if you've ridden one yet, but if not, well, you're going to love it :) Who needs insurance since I'll be dead in a few weeks ! PS: I am not getting a busa. Its whats called a joke . Riding a Busa is no biggie...avoiding cars is!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #43 May 7, 2006 Quote I ride my bike (a 2005 CBR1000RR) an average of 500 miles a week and I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've had some cellphone talkin' dipshit try to sideswipe me because they're too caught up in their own bullshit to pay any attention to what's happening on road. Peace, Z I drive a Mazda 6 sport wagon, and I can't count how many times the same thing has happened, it's the #1 reason I'm scared to get another bike. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuote I ride my bike (a 2005 CBR1000RR) an average of 500 miles a week and I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've had some cellphone talkin' dipshit try to sideswipe me because they're too caught up in their own bullshit to pay any attention to what's happening on road. Peace, Z I drive a Mazda 6 sport wagon, and I can't count how many times the same thing has happened, it's the #1 reason I'm scared to get another bike. To put the shoe on the other foot (and yes, I've ridden although I don't have a bike now).... There's been plenty of times I've had to hit the shoulder due to some dumbass on a crotch rocket weaving through traffic at 100+ mph or trying to split lanes on the freeway. It's not ALL the fault of the cages... there's plenty of idiots both behind the wheel and the handlebars to go around...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #45 May 7, 2006 QuoteTo put the shoe on the other foot (and yes, I've ridden although I don't have a bike now).... There's been plenty of times I've had to hit the shoulder due to some dumbass on a crotch rocket weaving through traffic at 100+ mph or trying to split lanes on the freeway. It's not ALL the fault of the cages... there's plenty of idiots both behind the wheel and the handlebars to go around... Oh no I agree, but I don't drive like that in my car or when I had a bike....I'm a bit of a grandma driver. I mean I'll speed, but try to stay predictable and I don't cut in between people people just to get one car ahead.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #46 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuote... an excellent example of why we should have graduated licensing for young riders/drivers/skydivers. We don't already? You can ride any CC motorcycle with any rating on your driver's license? We also have a learner's permit for new drivers. Graduated licensing in California means that with the learners permit - no passengers, freeway riding, or night riding. If you pass the MSF course, you are clear for anything. If instead you go to DMV to road test, you get a restricted M2 endorsement only if you test on a bike smaller than 150cc's (iow, a moped). There's a guy that rents a tiny bike - 175cc iirc - for people who can't handle their big bike. And yeah, the dealers are happy to sell you a bike without a license. So long as the check clears... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #47 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote... an excellent example of why we should have graduated licensing for young riders/drivers/skydivers. We don't already? You can ride any CC motorcycle with any rating on your driver's license? We also have a learner's permit for new drivers. Graduated licensing in California means that with the learners permit - no passengers, freeway riding, or night riding. If you pass the MSF course, you are clear for anything. If instead you go to DMV to road test, you get a restricted M2 endorsement only if you test on a bike smaller than 150cc's (iow, a moped). There's a guy that rents a tiny bike - 175cc iirc - for people who can't handle their big bike. And yeah, the dealers are happy to sell you a bike without a license. So long as the check clears... My Suzuki dealer WILL NOT SELL ANYONE ANY BIKE THEY WANT NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE the insurance risk safety risk and weight on his conscience will not let it happen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #48 May 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteA classic and profoundly sad case of shit happens. Usually, shit doesn't just happen. Sewers are filled with shit that didn't just happen - people put that shit there. It used to be that people merely put there shit wherever they wanted. It was found that this is not exactly the best idea, for shit tended to cause illness and death that could otherwise be avoided if people kept their shit away from other people. It was therefore decided that there should be a place designed especially for shit, so that one person's shit could go to a place where shit can be that won't bother other people. And from a single room where a person could let their shit happen, a better system was designed to collect shit from everyone and move it away safely. It was good - it kept everyone's shit in its place. So while shit continued to happen with the same regularity as before, shit did not happen in a random way - people who felt the need to make shit happen found their way to the appropriate place to start shit. Shit happening on the ground stopped happening, because shit only happens when and where people want shit to happen, and those who couldn't were diapered so that when shit happened, it didn't bother anyone else. It was good, for shit now happened in a place designed for shit to happen. And the population as a whole recognized it and accepted it. Now, human shit on the street is not a freak occurrence, materializing out of mid-air, nor is it acceptable or tolerated. Human shit doesn't just happen - bird shit does - it's tough to control that. Bug shit does, and even to an extent dog shit and cat shit does. Bullshit doesn't, save for the odd accident with people whose job it is to transport and use it for productive purpose. Human shit ends up on the street because somebody decided to put shit there. To draw a comparison, people decided that racers needed a place to go where they wouldn't splatter anyone who didn't want to run that risk unnecessarily. So race tracks were created, where the activity is accepted and desired. Consider it like the sewer, where shit is supposed to go. Not everything in a sewer is shit, and I do not think racing is shitting. Shitting is a good thing, and so is racing. But putting shit in public is a bad thing, and certainly not random or something that just happens. Now, it may be a thrill to shit in public, but others are negatively impacted. Sometimes you gotta take a shit. Sometimes you can be constipated, in which case you gotta push harder on your own. "If you don't push yourself, what fun is life?" Life is no fun if your full of shit and don't push it out, and you've got to do it yourself - ain't nobody gonna help you (unless you need a proctologist). Push that shit out in the goddamned bathroom. It's especially tough to tolerate a shit on the street when everyone knows there are places set aside to do it. It is worse when there are a couple of people competing to figure out whose shit is bigger and smellier, and even who can shit faster. You can go to a bathroom, but what fun is that when you can show everyone outside on the street so proudly how big, smelly and runny your shit is! And it's especially fun knowing that you can get caught for it. And we can all die taking a shit - it happened to Elvis. If somebody steps in it, well, shit happens, right? It's all that person's fault. That person should have been looking more carefully for that dump that was deliberately and intentionally put there for an unsuspecting person to look out for. Shit happens, indeed. And shit happens because of the shitter. The shitter determines how, when and where the shit happens. You can't expect a person who needs to take a shit to hold it, can you? THat sucks. Usually its only the shitter that gets in trouble. It's unfortunate when somebody gets shit on. And I personally would take offense by being needlessly exposed to shit because the shitter either felt the need to shit on others or decided he just couldn't help himself, instead of taking his or her shit where it belongs. Where and when "shit happen" is most certainly not a freak occurrence. And how "shit happens" is well known. To disregard this is to shit on others. in the case of this, the guy shit on two. She also shat on himself, something that we learn from an early age not to do. Take it to the fucking track. That was some good shit."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #49 May 8, 2006 Everybody who gets a zip bike should be allowed access to a closed airport and the opportunity to run it back and forth on the runway at 155mph until they get it out of their system or take themselves out without harming others.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #50 May 8, 2006 QuoteEverybody who gets a zip bike should be allowed access to a closed airport and the opportunity to run it back and forth on the runway at 155mph until they get it out of their system or take themselves out without harming others. Nice generalization - Perhaps we should give everyone who buys a Harley free access to drug and alcohol counseling - get that shit out of their system before they kill somebody Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
