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Quote>I believe if we start enforcing our laws and putting criminals in jail
>instead of just returning them to Mexico for them to try it again and again . . .
Who will pay the billions we will need for the hundreds of new jails required?
> will have a better effect than rewarding them for breaking our laws by
>making them citizens.
We don't do that now. Immigration violations count _against_ citizenship.
Ah, the old "If we can't jail them all, then we can't jail any, huh?
That Sheriff out in Arizona has a pretty good idea about just using tents and putting more up as needed.
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QuoteWhy is it the United States problem that Mexico is such a shithole of corruption and we need to straighten them out? Fuckem!
Because some of our policies, like NAFTA help create the shit hole. For example, they can't farm profitably down there because they can't compete with the US farmers who are subsidized by our Federal government.
billvon 3,111
Nope, never said that. You're doing the old "if you can't argue the issue, change it before replying" thing.
>That Sheriff out in Arizona has a pretty good idea about just using
>tents and putting more up as needed.
You know, that's a great idea! Build tent cities in the canyons around here. Heck, put em close to farms; then they can work for their room and board. After a while you could cut down on those costly guards (which are the primary cost in a prison) and just have trustees keep an eye on things.
Of course, that's pretty much what we have now, with a lot of added paperwork. But I bet it would make a lot of people feel good that we're kicking those immigrants asses!
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteI'm not suggesting we round up 12 million illegals all at once and ship them back. If we do it in stages and then allow them back in on a guest worker basis as needed, it would work out well.
Why not just keep the employed ones and give them a guest worker visa? WOuld prevent some major hiccups in your economy.
aprilcat 0
In Brighton Beach, Brooklyn there are thousands of 'unseen' immigrants. They aren't hard to spot. They are on the schoolyards doing the 'nanny' gig. They do not speak english and for all intents and purposes don't need to learn because the neighborhood is Russian and they can work off the books and collect welfare. You can marry a citizen or have a baby in this country and part ways with your fake SO at the door and go open a restaurant. There is gang activity and you'd damned sure better know where you're going because you can be hurt for being 'American'.
Chinatown is another planet altogether. I just don't patronize the place because it is notorious for keeping their 'serfs' in sweatshops and again, gang violence here is common.
Where are the 'border guards' for these illegals? Do we believe that Mexicans are the only illegals here because they had (the) '___' (fill in the noun or adjective of your choice) to show their faces and be counted when they boycotted their jobs? And what about their jobs? Why not go directly after the companies, hotels, franchises who are hiring these peolpe and fine the DAYLIGHTS out of them for not requiring documentation?
Is this thread or train of thought just 'Mexican Solutions'? Just asking.~~April
Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo!
billvon 3,111
Basically the same thing. Allow them a means to enter legally more easily. Beef up port security; in places like NYC that means coast guard, harbor patrol and police. Increase enforcement of existing immigration laws, including laws against employing illegal immigrants.
Quote>Ah, the old "If we can't jail them all, then we can't jail any, huh?
QuoteNope, never said that. You're doing the old "if you can't argue the issue, change it before replying" thing.
Oh, I'm sorry. Just what exactly did you mean when you asked who would pay the billions for new jails?
>That Sheriff out in Arizona has a pretty good idea about just using
>tents and putting more up as needed.QuoteYou know, that's a great idea! Build tent cities in the canyons around here. Heck, put em close to farms; then they can work for their room and board. After a while you could cut down on those costly guards (which are the primary cost in a prison) and just have trustees keep an eye on things.
Yep. After a while when word gets out about the conditions, it might just start to have some effect on whether someone chooses to violate our laws. Isn't that what jail is for? A deterrent to crime?QuoteOf course, that's pretty much what we have now, with a lot of added paperwork. But I bet it would make a lot of people feel good that we're kicking those immigrants asses!
It would make me feel good to know our laws are being respected. Of course doing it your way plays right into the hands of those who want to eliminate borders all together and instead of having North America, South America etc. just have the continent of America.
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Allowing people into this country illegally leads to them forming a sub culture where they never fully intergrate into American Society because they can obtain employment within their own culture. To me this is one of the biggest problems facing our country in the future. Eventually the sub-cultures become so splintered that it may very well be the downfall of the US as they vote for politician who serve their society.
And yes, I am for controls on ALL Illlegal Immigration. I'm also for drastically raising the penalties for all who employ illegals.
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Enrique 0
QuoteOf course doing it your way plays right into the hands of those who want to eliminate borders all together and instead of having North America, South America etc. just have the continent of America.
We DO just have the continent of America!

QuoteQuoteOf course doing it your way plays right into the hands of those who want to eliminate borders all together and instead of having North America, South America etc. just have the continent of America.
We DO just have the continent of America!
Actually we have two they are called north and south remarkably

QuoteQuoteOf course doing it your way plays right into the hands of those who want to eliminate borders all together and instead of having North America, South America etc. just have the continent of America.
We DO just have the continent of America!
I prefer the United States of America.
C'mon Enrique admit it. Many Mexicans want the borders removed because they think the US stole land from them.

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Enrique 0
QuoteC'mon Enrique admit it. Many Mexicans want the borders removed because they think the US stole land from them.
Forget about California, I'll settle for Texas... give it back!

Aprilcat has a good point, though. The only difference is that latinos (not only Mexicans) represent a very large percentage of immigrants in your Country.
>instead of just returning them to Mexico for them to try it again and again . . .
Who will pay the billions we will need for the hundreds of new jails required?
> will have a better effect than rewarding them for breaking our laws by
>making them citizens.
We don't do that now. Immigration violations count _against_ citizenship.
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