Insulting the president

[EricTheRed 0]

Gee, with all the dander that gets worked up when some skydiver attacks the prez in a post on this arguably irrelevant web site I would think that people would be absolutely incensed at what Stephan Colbert did to Bush on live TV.
Maybe the satire was just too much for you to follow?

Why is the press on this about the ‘twin’ and not the fact that Colbert handed Bush his ass and made him look like a fool.

illegible usually

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http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2200731#2200731

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Why is the press on this about the ‘twin’ and not the fact that Colbert handed Bush his ass and made him look like a fool.

because those lefty commy bastards in the press are so biased...they would never report anything that would make the president look good....wait...I mean bad....what is it again that those leftist pigs in the media do?

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what is it again that those leftist pigs in the media do?

makes lots and lots of money

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[EricTheRed 0]

NO, not really a repost. I was asking for comments from the people that are always so quick to defend Bush. Why aren't they MAD!

Did the jokes just go clear over your heads?

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[billvon 3,120]

> I would think that people would be absolutely incensed at what
> Stephan Colbert did to Bush on live TV.

I think a lot of people (not just Bush supporters) just plain don't know how to respond; he shocked a lot of people. The press? He went after them too; they've been pretty mum on the subject.

[NWFlyer 2]

Yeah, he really didn't let anyone off the hook, did he?

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[rehmwa 2]

I haven't seen the roast. So just noted that NWFlyer already posted. Did you see that one? Try commenting on it?

Was he funny? Did he cross any line of good taste or not? That happens at roasts, but up to a certain point, and it's pretty apparent with comedians when they are purposely crossing a line for humor vs being hurtful. Comedians are pure experts at this. Was is partisan hacking or good comedy in roast fashion at the expense of the 'roastee'? Was he mean? Do you like that?

Recall the SNL debates between Bush and Kerry. Those were hilarious. Was it equivalent? If I recall, both GWB and Kerry found them pretty funny and appreciated them all. And they weren't flattering, but super funny. These are the 'standards' for anything to be compared to. It would have to be pretty harsh to get GWB to frown and leave.

Ever see the Dean Martin roasts? Good stuff, and very tough, but they came up to a line but didn't cross it.

In reading NWFlyer's link to an article, I can't tell. If you can link to the routine directly, I'd be happy to watch it. I like roasts.

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[NWFlyer 2]

If you look at my second post in the other thread, there's a link to the video. It's not complete (I still haven't seen the whole thing) but it gets a good chunk of the routine.

[EricTheRed 0]

Long but here's the transcript...

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Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Before I begin, I've
been asked to make an announcement. Whoever parked 14 black bulletproof
S.U.V.'s out front, could you please move them? They are blocking in 14
other black bulletproof S.U.V.'s and they need to get out.

Wow. Wow, what an honor. The White House correspondents' dinner. To
actually sit here, at the same table with my hero, George W. Bush, to be
this close to the man. I feel like I'm dreaming. Somebody pinch me. You
know what? I'm a pretty sound sleeper -- that may not be enough. Somebody
shoot me in the face. Is he really not here tonight? Dammit. The one guy
who could have helped.

By the way, before I get started, if anybody needs anything else at their
tables, just speak slowly and clearly into your table numbers. Somebody
from the NSA will be right over with a cocktail. Mark Smith, ladies and
gentlemen of the press corps, Madame First Lady, Mr. President, my name is
Stephen Colbert and tonight it's my privilege to celebrate this president.
We're not so different, he and I. We get it. We're not brainiacs on the
nerd patrol. We're not members of the factinista. We go straight from the
..>..> gut, right sir? That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do
you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your
head? You can look it up. I know some of you are going to say I did look it
up, and that's not true. That's cause you looked it up in a book.

Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our
nervous system works. Every night on my show, the Colbert Report, I speak
straight from the gut, OK? I give people the truth, unfiltered by rational
argument. I call it the "No Fact Zone." Fox News, I hold a copyright on
that term.

I'm a simple man with a simple mind. I hold a simple set of beliefs that I
live by. Number one, I believe in America. I believe it exists. My gut
tells me I live there. I feel that it extends from the Atlantic to the
Pacific, and I strongly believe it has 50 states. And I cannot wait to see
how the Washington Post spins that one tomorrow. I believe in democracy. I
believe democracy is our greatest export. At least until China figures out
a way to stamp it out of plastic for three cents a unit.

In fact, Ambassador Zhou Wenzhong, welcome. Your great country makes our
Happy Meals possible. I said it's a celebration. I believe the government
that governs best is the government that governs least. And by these
standards, we have set up a fabulous government in Iraq.

I believe in pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. I believe it is
possible -- I saw this guy do it once in Cirque du Soleil. It was magical.
And though I am a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the
right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe
there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe it's yogurt. But I refuse to believe it's
not butter. Most of all, I believe in this president.

Now, I know there are some polls out there saying this man has a 32%
..>..> approval rating. But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We
know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what
people are thinking in "reality." And reality has a well-known liberal
bias.

So, Mr. President, please, pay no attention to the people that say the
glass is half full. 32% means the glass -- it's important to set up your
jokes properly, sir. Sir, pay no attention to the people who say the glass
is half empty, because 32% means it's 2/3 empty. There's still some liquid
in that glass is my point, but I wouldn't drink it. The last third is
usually backwash. Okay, look, folks, my point is that I don't believe this
is a low point in this presidency. I believe it is just a lull before a
comeback.

I mean, it's like the movie "Rocky." All right. The president in this case
is Rocky Balboa and Apollo Creed is -- everything else in the world. It's
the tenth round. He's bloodied. His corner man, Mick, who in this case I
guess would be the vice president, he's yelling, "Cut me, Dick, cut me!,"
and every time he falls everyone says, "Stay down! Stay down!" Does he stay
down? No. Like Rocky, he gets back up, and in the end he -- actually, he
loses in the first movie.

OK. Doesn't matter. The point is it is the heart-warming story of a man who
was repeatedly punched in the face. So don't pay attention to the approval
ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing.
I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the
job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't.

I stand by this man. I stand by this man because he stands for things. Not
only for things, he stands on things. Things like aircraft carriers and
rubble and recently flooded city squares. And that sends a strong message,
that no matter what happens to America, she will always rebound -- with the
..>..> most powerfully staged photo ops in the world.

Now, there may be an energy crisis. This president has a very
forward-thinking energy policy. Why do you think he's down on the ranch
cutting that brush all the time? He's trying to create an alternative
energy source. By 2008 we will have a mesquite-powered car!

And I just like the guy. He's a good joe. Obviously loves his wife, calls
her his better half. And polls show America agrees. She's a true lady and a
wonderful woman. But I just have one beef, ma'am.

I'm sorry, but this reading initiative. I'm sorry, I've never been a fan of
books. I don't trust them. They're all fact, no heart. I mean, they're
elitist, telling us what is or isn't true, or what did or didn't happen.
Who's Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was built in 1914? If I want
to say it was built in 1941, that's my right as an American! I'm with the
president, let history decide what did or did not happen.

The greatest thing about this man is he's steady. You know where he stands.
He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter
what happened Tuesday. Events can change; this man's beliefs never will. As
excited as I am to be here with the president, I am appalled to be
surrounded by the liberal media that is destroying America, with the
exception of Fox News. Fox News gives you both sides of every story: the
president's side, and the vice president's side.

But the rest of you, what are you thinking, reporting on NSA wiretapping or
secret prisons in eastern Europe? Those things are secret for a very
important reason: they're super-depressing. And if that's your goal, well,
misery accomplished. Over the last five years you people were so good --
over tax cuts, WMD intelligence, the effect of global warming. We Americans
didn't want to know, and you had the courtesy not to try to find out. Those
were good times, as far as we knew.
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But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the president
makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those
decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make,
announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know
your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking
around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington
reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know -
fiction!

Because really, what incentive do these people have to answer your
questions, after all? I mean, nothing satisfies you. Everybody asks for
personnel changes. So the White House has personnel changes. Then you
write, "Oh, they're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic." First
of all, that is a terrible metaphor. This administration is not sinking.
This administration is soaring. If anything, they are rearranging the deck
chairs on the Hindenburg!

Now, it's not all bad guys out there. Some are heroes: Christopher Buckley,
Jeff Sacks, Ken Burns, Bob Schieffer. They've all been on my show. By the
way, Mr. President, thank you for agreeing to be on my show. I was just as
shocked as everyone here is, I promise you. How's Tuesday for you? I've got
Frank Rich, but we can bump him. And I mean bump him. I know a guy. Say the
word.

See who we've got here tonight. General Moseley, Air Force Chief of Staff.
General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They still
support Rumsfeld. Right, you guys aren't retired yet, right? Right, they
still support Rumsfeld.

Look, by the way, I've got a theory about how to handle these retired
generals causing all this trouble: don't let them retire! Come on, we've
got a stop-loss program; let's use it on these guys. I've seen Zinni and
that crowd on Wolf Blitzer. If you're strong enough to go on one of those
..>..> pundit shows, you can stand on a bank of computers and order men into
battle. Come on.

Jesse Jackson is here, the Reverend. Haven't heard from the Reverend in a
little while. I had him on the show. Very interesting and challenging
interview. You can ask him anything, but he's going to say what he wants,
at the pace that he wants. It's like boxing a glacier. Enjoy that metaphor,
by the way, because your grandchildren will have no idea what a glacier is.

Justice Scalia is here. Welcome, sir. May I be the first to say, you look
fantastic. How are you? [After each sentence, Colbert makes a hand
gesture, an allusion to Scalia's recent use of an obscene Sicilian hand
gesture in speaking to a reporter about Scalia's critics. Scalia is seen
laughing hysterically.] Just talking some Sicilian with my paisan.

John McCain is here. John McCain, John McCain, what a maverick! Somebody
find out what fork he used on his salad, because I guarantee you it wasn't
a salad fork. This guy could have used a spoon! There's no predicting him.
By the way, Senator McCain, it's so wonderful to see you coming back into
the Republican fold. I have a summer house in South Carolina; look me up
when you go to speak at Bob Jones University. So glad you've seen the
light, sir.

Mayor Nagin! Mayor Nagin is here from New Orleans, the chocolate city!
Yeah, give it up. Mayor Nagin, I'd like to welcome you to Washington, D.C.,
the chocolate city with a marshmallow center. And a graham cracker crust of
corruption. It's a Mallomar, I guess is what I'm describing, a seasonal
cookie.

Joe Wilson is here, Joe Wilson right down here in front, the most famous
husband since Desi Arnaz. And of course he brought along his lovely wife
Valerie Plame. Oh, my god! Oh, what have I said? [looks horrified] I am
sorry, Mr. President, I meant to say he brought along his lovely wife Joe
Wilson's wife. Patrick Fitzgerald is not here tonight? OK. Dodged a bullet.
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And, of course, we can't forget the man of the hour, new press secretary,
Tony Snow. Secret Service name, "Snow Job." Toughest job. What a hero! Took
the second toughest job in government, next to, of course, the ambassador
to Iraq.

Got some big shoes to fill, Tony. Big shoes to fill. Scott McClellan could
say nothing like nobody else. McClellan, of course, eager to retire. Really
felt like he needed to spend more time with Andrew Card's children. Mr.
President, I wish you hadn't made the decision so quickly, sir.

I was vying for the job myself. I think I would have made a fabulous press
secretary. I have nothing but contempt for these people. I know how to
handle these clowns. In fact, sir, I brought along an audition tape and
with your indulgence, I'd like to at least give it a shot. So, ladies and
gentlemen, my press conference.

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[DaVinci 0]

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Gee, with all the dander that gets worked up when some skydiver attacks the prez in a post on this arguably irrelevant web site I would think that people would be absolutely incensed at what Stephan Colbert did to Bush on live TV.
Maybe the satire was just too much for you to follow?

Maybe it was just funny and they like a good joke?

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Why is the press on this about the ‘twin’ and not the fact that Colbert handed Bush his ass and made him look like a fool.

Maybe they don't see that as news?

Maybe its just not important?

[Zipp0 1]

A little dose of criticism for Georgie boy is just what the doctor ordered. After all of the hand picked audiences and scripted questions (uh, Jeff Gannon anyone?) it's about time he got raked over the coals.

If he bitches about it, I'd tell him the same thing I have been told here when I felt offended - grow a thicker skin, you pussy.

Colbert is hilarious.

Zipp0

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A little dose of criticism for Georgie boy is just what the doctor ordered.

do you really think any president is ever short of critism?
did he complain? it would be a bad PR move at best.....

Edit: Thanks Krisanne and Eric. I'm sure it's good stuff. Read the Script - It's very funny stuff.

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[champu 1]

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Gee, with all the dander that gets worked up when some skydiver attacks the prez in a post on this arguably irrelevant web site I would think that people would be absolutely incensed at what Stephan Colbert did to Bush on live TV.
Maybe the satire was just too much for you to follow?

Why is the press on this about the ‘twin’ and not the fact that Colbert handed Bush his ass and made him look like a fool.

It's interesting that so many people laud Colbert's roast for sticking it to Bush and the media, while to me it came off as a submissive declaration of misery.

He may have felt that other tactics had been used and failed, so he choose a sardonic one. Even though I may agree with many of his underlying points, I cringe as if hearing nails on a chalk board when I hear someone presenting something I agree with in a manner I feel is not going to get through to the audience.

A political statement that should receive the most applause is not one that you think is true and that resonates with you, but one that you think is true, and resonates with those that think otherwise. Everything else is feel good crap.

/edited to replace the word "believe" with the word "think" in my last statement.

[billvon 3,120]

>A political statement that should receive the most applause is not one
>that you think is true and that resonates with you, but one that you think
>is true, and resonates with those that think otherwise. Everything else is
>feel good crap.

Often, the political statements that are the most effective are not met with applause - they are met with an uncomfortable silence. Had he told the standard jokes ("Hey, are there any WMD's under this table? No? How about this chair?") he would have gotten his applause, and the people there would have laughed comfortably.

Everyone has their comfort zone, and they often defend that zone assiduously. Taking them outside that zone can take some doing - but can also expand their horizons a bit.

[champu 1]

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Often, the political statements that are the most effective are not met with applause - they are met with an uncomfortable silence. Had he told the standard jokes ("Hey, are there any WMD's under this table? No? How about this chair?") he would have gotten his applause, and the people there would have laughed comfortably.

Everyone has their comfort zone, and they often defend that zone assiduously. Taking them outside that zone can take some doing - but can also expand their horizons a bit.

To clarify, I didn't intend applause to mean the immediate audience clapping their hands, I was referring to people that already agreed with the statement praising its presentation after the fact.

You're right though, if you really get through to someone they're most likely not going to laugh about it, or at least not right away. I'm simply unsure of how much introspection he inspired in those he referred to as "backwash."

[kelpdiver 2]

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A political statement that should receive the most applause is not one that you think is true and that resonates with you, but one that you think is true, and resonates with those that think otherwise. Everything else is feel good crap.

even if I was a dyed in the wool Bushite, I'd have found the speech fucking hilarious. Is it true that Scalia laughed his ass off?

The writing is brilliant, but the delivery makes him the best political comedian/commentator out there right now.

[RastaRicanAir 0]

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Even though I may agree with many of his underlying points, I cringe as if hearing nails on a chalk board when I hear someone presenting something I agree with in a manner I feel is not going to get through to the audience.

I think he was fully aware that there were more members of the "audience" loading up trays in the kitchen and waiting outside in the front seats of the limos than there were sitting in that room. That speech was written for the TV watchers and the websurfers, not for a group of people whose sense of irony and humility couldn't even be located with an electron microscope.

In case it hasn't been posted HERE'S THE FULL VIDEO (Who's got time to read?)

The first 8 minutes missing from the edited version are REALLY the bloodiest.

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A political statement that should receive the most applause is not one that you think is true and that resonates with you, but one that you think is true, and resonates with those that think otherwise. Everything else is feel good crap.

This is a great statement in general about politics. Very rarely do we ever hear a message intended to convert or convince. Normally, it's strictly self congratulatory pandering. I'd like to see more messages which communicate the message, rather than belittle the audience for disagreeing with the message.

You might actually get converts that way.

BV - I think you're right on the discomfort thing. But I don't think I've ever seen it applied right. What I've seen is self righteous preaching that reaches no one not already converted - and, frankly, alienates the unconverted to be even stronger in their opposition. our public speakers can't seem to understand where the line is drawn.

(this is a general comment on political speech today, not the skit. I haven't listened to the delivery and still think the transcript itself it pretty good).

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[champu 1]

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I think he was fully aware that there were more members of the "audience" loading up trays in the kitchen and waiting outside in the front seats of the limos than there were sitting in that room. That speech was written for the TV watchers and the websurfers, not for a group of people whose sense of irony and humility couldn't even be located with an electron microscope.

I think the actions of the Bush administration over the last 5 years have done all the polarizing that needs to be done.