The Political Geography of the USA

[lawrocket 3]

I must admit that I do take issue with some of what you say, Jeanne.

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I am referring to the DUMB ASSES that think its a good thing to be DUMB AS DIRT AND PROUD OF IT..

There are plenty of people who are dumb as dirt. Briguy get flamed for bagging on retards. I don't think it's right for you to come from such an angle.

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I am referring to the DUMB ASSES who think that because they are WHITE americans they are OWED their birthright to make a six figure income even IF they dropped out of high school

Do they blame "the Man" for their failure to make such an income? If so, welcome to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

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I am referring to the DUMB ASSES who cant be bothered to read ( especially the ones who cant even read at an eighth grade level) and form an opinion other than to get their politics fed to them from the pulpit of their church every week on Sunday morning...

And I have the same problem with people who cannot read at the 8th grade level and blame the government and "the Man" for not teaching them, all the while forming their political opinions fed to them from the AME church and Reverend Jesse Jackson and Reverend Al Sharpton.

By the way, those folks are apparently disenfranchised, too. Can we compare redneck meth-head with the black crack-head? Same thing.

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I formed my opinion of these DUMB ASSES very easily at a young age...

I formed my opinions after much thought about dumb asses in general fairly late in life. I opened my mind in college and law school to new ideas. Then, around the age of 30, I closed it again once I had matters of substance upon which to base my conclusions. I

And one of my conclusions was that it's all about money and power. The KKK or Nation of Islam? Same horse, different coor...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Amazon 7]

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The KKK or Nation of Islam? Same horse, different coor...

Gee did you get to go to a Nation of Islam Rally...


I got to go to a KKK Crosslighting.. and my grandfather just about came unhinged at Cousin Edwin for taking me and my other visiting cousins.

Now.. since I only have experience with WHITE versions of DUMB AS DIRT AND PROUD OF IT...... I related that from a first hand level of experience.... how did YOU form your opinions of BLACK dumb asses.. or are you just using stereotypes.

[lawrocket 3]

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how did YOU form your opinions of BLACK dumb asses..

From growing up in Section 8 housing, where I spent my developmental years. From reading up on the likes of Louis Farrakhan and Khalid Abdul Muhammed. From working with inner city children. From working at an LA County hospital. From discussing at length with a whole bunch of them throughout my life the viewpoints expressed by the self-annointed "Black Leadership."

You do not know where I grew up. You grew up with people who did things and who thought a certain way that you find revolting. Guess what? So did I. Only I came from a different demographic.

It turns out that the vast majority of blacks do not look at Jesse Jackson as their "leader." But, they've got their views on Jews, white boys, white women, corporations, the government, and the threats faced from whites that I reckon are similarly based in reality as those KKK wack jobs.

Both groups blame others who aren't their kind. Both groups coddle those who feel that they have no power or control in their lives. The KKK, Aryan Nation, White Aryan resistance, etc., generally has as their constituent groups poor whites who believe that other races and creeds have robbed them of their opportunities. Rather than tell them to quit blaming others, they reinforce those thoughts - "You're right, Jethro. Those niggers and mud-colors and Jews are pushing our race outta existence." And those white guys that tell them do quit drinking, get educated and get a job are viewed as traitors to their race.

The Nation of Islam, the NAACP, etc., generally have as their constituancies the disenfranchised, the poor, and those with a societal gripe, who blame whites, Mexicans, Jews, etc., for keeping them down and robbing them of opportunities. Rather than tell them to quit blaming others, they reinforce those thoughts - "You're right, LaQuita. Those crackers and Jews are trying to destroy our race and culture." And those black guys that tell them to quit drinking and gang-banging, get educated and get a job are viewed as sell-outs to their race, i.e., Rice, Thomas, etc.

Jeanne: a couple of months ago, there was a post about Julian Bond's comments. He is the head of the NAACP. Here's the quote that was discussed:

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Civil rights activist and NAACP Chairman Julian Bond delivered a blistering partisan speech at Fayetteville State University in North Carolina last night, equating the Republican Party with the Nazi Party and characterizing Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her predecessor, Colin Powell, as "tokens."

"The Republican Party would have the American flag and the swastika flying side by side," he charged.

Calling President Bush a liar, Bond told the audience at the historically black institution that this White House's lies are more serious than the lies of his predecessor's because Clinton's lies didn't kill people.


"We now find ourselves refighting old battles we thought we had already won," he said. "We have to fight discrimination whenever it raises its ugly head."

He referred to former Attorney General John Ashcroft as J. Edgar Ashcroft. He compared Bush's judicial nominees to the Taliban.

The talk so infuriated at least one black family in attendance among the 900 in the auditorium that they got up and walked out in protest.

"He went on and on name calling," said Lee Wilson. "I walked out in the middle of his speech with my wife and three kids"

The harsh partisan rhetoric from Bond should not have surprised anyone who has followed him in recent years.

In July 2001, Bond said, "[Bush] has selected nominees from the Taliban wing of American politics, appeased the wretched appetites of the extreme right wing, and chosen Cabinet officials whose devotion to the Confederacy is nearly canine in its uncritical affection."

In response to the comment by the original poster, you wrote:

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And he wonders why Bush won't meet with the NAACP.

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Too true.... Mr Bush.. does not like to hear anything that does not jibe with his world view.

In response to your apparent veiled approval of Bond's comments I wrote:

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You know, Jeanne, I think it's best for us to call out everyone who speaks this sort of vitriolic tripe. What Bond said is no better than the shit that Pat Robertson has been spewing. Both have political power, and people tend to look at both as spokesmen who reflect the views of their respective groups. I don't care who says something wrong, I will call it out. Yes, even myself, and I have many times.

You wouldn't accept this from anyone on the right. Neither would I. I dont' accept it from anyone on the left, either. Neither should you or anybody else. David Duke would say things like that. Tom Metzger would say things like that.

Julian Bond is the head of the NAACP, for goodness sake. He is no better now than Khalid Abdul Muhhamed. Unfortunately, he's been the head of the NAACP since 1998, when Mfume stepped down, and I see nothing pending to cause his sacking. I have more respect fro Jesse Jackson now. At least he does SOME good.

I have lost all present respect for the NAACP. Until they start working towards the "advancement of colored people" and stop working towards the "ebb of all who are politically opposed" I will take a stand against the group. The hatred the group is spewing far outweighs any good they do.

At the end, I asked you thi:

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Jeanne? Can you honestly say that what Bond said is accurate? Can you honestly say that it advances the cause of the NAACP? Because the only cause he is advancing is hatred, animosity, and divisiveness.

If you think that what he said was accurate, correct or even okay, then you are what you despise. Only with a contrary viewpoint.

You didn't answer that. I therefore ask you again:

Do you think that what Bond said in that statement was correct? Are you so filled with hatred in your heart that you would applaud such tripe?

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I don't appreciate any vitriol directed against groups of people. You hate Republicans, though you've apparently "got some moderate Republican friends."

You're posts indicate a certain thought process:
1) I had family members who were racists and burned crosses;
2) Those people voted Republican;
3) Therefore, all Republicans burn crosses.

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or are you just using stereotypes.

Somewhat. But Jeanne, you use them in a most horrific fashion. You stereotype only those with beliefs counter to your own. You stereotype their motivations as all being similar to those to which you were exposed as a child. It is unfair and destructive.

Come with me to the middle and blast a machine gun at all who act like dumbasses in all directions. When my friend is a dumbass, I will tell him as I will my enemy.

Do not allow yourself to be what you despise. Tell us what you think. Then tell us how you feel. What's wrong is wrong no matter who says it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rehmwa 2]

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You stereotype only those with beliefs counter to your own.

It's ok JC. Everybody's doing it.

Try it just once. I promise it won't hurt, and then things get so much easier after your first.

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[Amazon 7]

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Somewhat. But Jeanne, you use them in a most horrific fashion. You stereotype only those with beliefs counter to your own. You stereotype their motivations as all being similar to those to which you were exposed as a child. It is unfair and destructive.

Come with me to the middle and blast a machine gun at all who act like dumbasses in all directions. When my friend is a dumbass, I will tell him as I will my enemy.

Do not allow yourself to be what you despise. Tell us what you think. Then tell us how you feel. What's wrong is wrong no matter who says it.

Oh I got to spend a year in an inner city school.. that was 3/4 black after leaving parochial school and until we moved to the Polish side of town..... where again I was in the minority( I did not have the polish name pronunciation gene)

I fully agree that there are MANY on the far left that are whack jobs.. BUT they are not in control of the country.. or on its ability to send off our youth to war to enrich themselves and their friends.

Is Bond a racist or Jesse... of course they are.. but they have little or NO power..... do they cram fascist policies down the throats of the American people... no.

Do I believe all Republicans are fascist????

NO ....just quite a few that are forcing the rest of the party to tow the party line.

DO I believe the Ultra Right Wing of the Republican party has the rest of the republican party by the gonads????... YES

You take things and stretch them beyond intention or statement...I KNOW not all the Republican Party coddles up to the CCC OR the KKK...... BUT... there are quite a few there that do. AND since they are the ones in control of the party.... they have the power to take this country down a road that is making the world see us... ALL AMERICANS...... as something that WILL be detrimental to future generations.

THAT truely will be the legacy of this administration.

I want to see an America that has respect for moderation instead of the WHACK jobs on the right who are taking this country where they want... OR from the powerless and hopefully to remain that way left wing whack jobs.

I want to see people of the world respect us because of our VALUES and our actually FOLLOWING the values we claim to represent.....rather than to have the world fear and loath us... and eventually try to destroy us.

[rehmwa 2]

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I want to see an America that has respect for moderation instead of the WHACK jobs on the right who are taking this country where they want... OR from the powerless and hopefully to remain that way left wing whack jobs.

I want to see people of the world respect us because of our VALUES and our actually FOLLOWING the values we claim to represent.

Now this is an Amazon I can support.
So we need to get control of our primary processes in both parties back from the fringe nutjobs. Hopefully we can find an election with a couple real choices, not just those that pass the extreme litmus of the current primary process.

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[lawrocket 3]

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I want to see an America that has respect for moderation instead of the WHACK jobs on the right (or left) who are taking this country where they want... OR from the powerless and hopefully to remain that way left (and right) wing whack jobs.

I want to see people of the world respect us because of our VALUES and our actually FOLLOWING the values we claim to represent.....rather than to have the world fear and loath us... and eventually try to destroy us.

I agree with your statement. But I've made revisions in parentheses.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[idrankwhat 0]

Nice spin, Kerry also got more votes than any presidential candidate, which means that more people voted *against* Bush than any other president in history. But the "lefty" comment has me wondering something. What does it mean to be "Conservative". As far as I can tell it means large federal government, massive deficit spending, extensive nation building, weak on immigration, strong federal vs. weak state powers, weakening of the military through misuse, domestic spying, corruption, corporate welfare, no checks against an overly powerful executive branch, and a greedy earmarking feeding frenzy on the current access to the treasury. I'm sure that I've missed something but it's so hard to keep up.

[Amazon 7]

Just drink more of the kool aid.. it will be all better then.

[rehmwa 2]

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What does it mean to be "Liberal". As far as I can tell it means large federal government, massive deficit spending, weakening the nation, weak on immigration, strong federal vs. weak state powers, weakening of the military through purposeful neglect, domestic spying, corruption, corporate and personal welfare, no checks against an overly powerful executive branch, and a greedy earmarking feeding frenzy on the current access to the treasury.

And I agree with your assessment of the Republicans. Just doing this to show they are more alike than different.

Except for those that drink the red or blue kool aid. And let's not even get into those that drink the green kool aid, they are even worse, if that's possible.

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[idrankwhat 0]

Actually I'm not a big fan of either party. I think that the only thing our mis-representatives are interested in is keeping their jobs and padding their bank accounts. But I can't help but poke fun at those from the right who don't seem to realize that the Bush administration has pissed all over nearly every plank in the traditional Republican platform, and worse yet, they're proud of it. Unfortunately, even though it's amusing, it's way too expensive. Basically, when Bush came into office my unborn son owed $20,000 to the federal government. Now that he's almost 2 he owes $30,000. Once he gets older I'm pretty sure that he's going to be pissed.

[billvon 3,120]

>Basically, when Bush came into office my unborn son owed $20,000
> to the federal government. Now that he's almost 2 he owes
> $30,000. Once he gets older I'm pretty sure that he's going to be
> pissed.

Why? Elect another Bush when he's grown up, and he can pass it all onto _his_ kids.

[rehmwa 2]

Yup - join the club


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"Come over to the dark side..........we have cookies!"

Yeah, CrW is fun.

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[rehmwa 2]

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>Basically, when Bush came into office my unborn son owed $20,000
> to the federal government. Now that he's almost 2 he owes
> $30,000. Once he gets older I'm pretty sure that he's going to be
> pissed.

Why? Elect another Bush when he's grown up, and he can pass it all onto _his_ kids.

You see, I think the point was - that until both parties start to do something completely different, you aren't going to fix this problem just ping ponging back and forth between them every 10 years or so. But it's more fun your way, I guess.

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[billvon 3,120]

>that until both parties start to do something completely different . . .

Well, right now they do do something different. They both push for big government. The democrats push for big government, and tend to raise taxes to pay for that bigger government. The republicans push for big government, then lower taxes, thus putting the debt load on someone else in the future (and making shortsighted people in the present happy.)

Both are bad, of course. I tend to think that increasing taxes to pay for new programs is the lesser of two evils - because then people are more likely to oppose those big new programs.

[Amazon 7]

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I tend to think that increasing taxes to pay for new programs is the lesser of two evils

WHAT... are you crazy.... you mean someone actually has to pay their bills like the rest of us..... man that is just nuts.

[rehmwa 2]

When I said different, I didn't mean the barely discernable differences between the two parties that you place so much on. I meant different from the status quo.

I'd like the option to not have to subjectively make a 'lesser of two evils' vote. And then listen to people cry and whine about why their little subjective reason is so much more noble than the other guys'. It's just an illusion of difference to keep the populace occupied.

If either party 'truly' picks up on fiscal responsibility, they will have a very large following. Is that too much to ask for?

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[billvon 3,120]

>I'd like the option to not have to subjectively make a 'lesser of two
>evils' vote.

Well, you do - vote libertarian. But that's an unpopular party, so people think they are 'throwing their vote away' and thus vote for one of the two parties.

>If either party 'truly' picks up on fiscal responsibility, they will have a very large following.

They would immediately lose control of all branches of government. People don't want fiscal responsibility, they want a free ride. Heck, now we have a government that MAILS PEOPLE CHECKS and they love it! Can you imagine the response to a party that says "We need to be more responsible about the debt - and that means significant decreases in services and significant increases in taxes?" I would vote for that platform, you might - and we'd be the only two people in the country who would.

[rehmwa 2]

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>and we'd be the only two people in the country who would.

I bet Anvil would. And maybe Flygurl
that's 4
we can find a few more

and if you cut services first, suck in the 'real' libertarians, then you get more. and maybe the tax increases wouldn't be so necessary as you think....

Edit: of course Fox would band together with the other lefty networks and bash those people. I mean, this doesn't mesh with any policians' goals.

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[idrankwhat 0]

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>and we'd be the only two people in the country who would.

I bet Anvil would. And maybe Flygurl
that's 4
we can find a few more

I'd do it. I don't have a problem with pay as you go. They make me do it at the DZ!

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[rehmwa 2]

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I don't have a problem with pay as you go. They make me do it at the DZ!

yeah, but you have to, your credit is crap.

what with the fancy cars and women. And the cookies and all.

that's 5

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[idrankwhat 0]

The cars and the women are a weakness......the cookies on the other hand, are necessary for proper wing loading.

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I don't have a problem with pay as you go. They make me do it at the DZ!

yeah, but you have to, your credit is crap.

what with the fancy cars and women. And the cookies and all.

that's 5

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You see, I think the point was - that until both parties start to do something completely different, you aren't going to fix this problem just ping ponging back and forth between them every 10 years or so. But it's more fun your way, I guess.

In a way I agree, but then you start thinking about the incredible opportunity the Republicans had the last couple of years. Full control of the power spectrum in the US. Yet, they did nothing, they didn't even make a concerted effort to try and fix things. In stead they just heaped the spending on.

When was the last time one party had such a strong level of control, yet did absolutely nothing?

[kelpdiver 2]

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When was the last time one party had such a strong level of control, yet did absolutely nothing?

1993-1994? The White House, 57 Senators, and the House.

well, you can argue that Clinton lead DC in making unpopular moves that cost them in '94, but lead to a surplus. (would be a protracted argument on par with did Reagan win the Cold War)

But so far as platform issues that he wanted to drive as he entered office, it was total failure. Health care stayed as is, gay soldiers can't tell, and just appointing an AG was a process.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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well, you can argue that Clinton lead DC in making unpopular moves that cost them in '94, but lead to a surplus. (would be a protracted argument on par with did Reagan win the Cold War)

Plus, I think a majority would agree that the US was in far better shape then than it is now....