wmw999 2,577 #226 May 4, 2006 QuoteIt is but one small step that may help contribute to the overall solution.Yup. Some problems you want to find the solution that will fix everything at once. It's expensive to do it that way, and it takes longer. But, for example, how many different operations do you want before they do the right one? On the other hand, most problems you try to find the solution that will either benefit the most people the most quickly (think of how the power company tries to do it) and then work down from there. This is a big multifaceted problem. The downside of a partial solution that isn't the best possible one still ends up with a somewhat smaller number of overweight people with poor nutritional habits. The biggest objection to a less-than-perfect solution is always that it inconveniences someone, and no one likes to be inconvenienced. Ah well. I'm all for the healthier meals; if parents want their kids to eat crap they should have to pay extra and go to extra hassle for that, not the other way around. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoot 0 #227 May 4, 2006 Quotethe article said non sugared juices only, but I'm talking about this already. OJ runs 122 cals/8oz, coke only 97. It is not what you are drinking/eating it is how much! I grew up on coke (can't rememer last time i bought the stuff though) I had a 200ml cup at a time and it was a treat! fat fuck these days brush thier teeth wuth the shit, get 2litres with their Mctriplebypass burger/s. anything in moderation is fine, people don't know what moderation is anymore. It is the companys fault, they are responible for the brainwashing that makes people think it is o.k. to overindulge. tax them on the calorie content and you will solve the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #228 May 4, 2006 Fuck Yeah man! When was the last time you heard people talking about a resturant they went to where they said that the food was really good and in sensable portions. Most of the time people are like wow that was a lot of food! I was so full!Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #229 May 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteAlso, dont actually dothe work yourself , employ the sweat-shop style child labourI was thinking illegal aliens myself Wendy W. Mexicans can't make PB & J!!! And I SHOL' don't want my kid munchin' on burritos every day.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #230 May 5, 2006 Quote When was the last time you heard people talking about a resturant they went to where they said that the food was really good and in sensable portions. Most of the time people are like wow that was a lot of food! I was so full! actually, half of San Francisco serves sensible portions. It's just the pricing of those plates at 15-30$ each that seems less reasonable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #231 May 6, 2006 QuoteYou seem to think that there are plenty of fat people who don't care that they are fat.. I completely disagree. I don't know a single person who is obese who is content with staying the way they are. i'd say your not paying attention.. when the three guys in front of me (who could all use a wheelbarrow's assistance to haul their bellies about without any major contortions. no kidding) order double bacon cheeseburgers every day (with the salad bar just behind them and a multitude of other tastier if less healthy choices just as easily available) they are saying (to themselves, and everyone around them) "I dont give a fuck" the process itself isnt hard.. you eat less, exercise more, practice DISCIPLINE. Recognize that you control your body. it does not control you (unless you allow it). It is the performance that is difficult and it is difficult because (many) Americans have NEVER developed basic discipline about ANYTHING.. at some point they 'wake up' and attempt to learn such skills at 33, already overweight, with poor eating and exercise habits and a poor attitude for success.... it is damn near a lost cause.. those who DO manage it, overcome amazing odds and obstacles... however THEY (and their parents) CREATED THEM to begin with... its astounding really... and i do I see them everyday, have to work with and accommodate their (lack of) ability as we attempt to accomplish what would be an easy task for an otherwise (reasonably) fit individual, but since the ladder wont hold him, he cant get into any of the available lift devices, and there is no one else around, I have to drop what i'm doing and complete his task... and still they waddle thru the halls to lunch (the only time some of them leave their desks i imagine) all the while work; subsidizes gym fees, provides a cafeteria with MANY healthier options to eat, actively encourages daily walk&talk meetings options and still large number of obese (not simply overwieght mind you there is a HUGE difference) simply dont care, cant be bothered with the most basic changes, and order the double bacon cheese burger everyday.... it isnt about lacking compassion, it's about pushing personal responsibility and discipline at a social level. Teaching everyone (particularly future parents) basic personal discipline and accountability. It isnt like your wieght sneeks up on you, you simply have to DECIDE (not merely say you will) to do something about it an ounce of Prevention (aka teaching discipline, not simply in eating habits but in all aspects of life) early on means barring exceptional conditions/circumstances never have to do the 'heavily lifting' and long struggle for the the rest of your life trying to 'catch up' to where you feel you 'should be' fitness wise.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #232 May 6, 2006 QuoteFuck Yeah man! When was the last time you heard people talking about a resturant they went to where they said that the food was really good and in sensable portions. Most of the time people are like wow that was a lot of food! I was so full! despite what you may have been told by your parents.. you dont have to clean your plate.. the starving children in Africa will not be getting your left overs in any case.. i get 2-3 meals out of most resturant orders, so can anyone else.. IF they make themselves put down the fork and ask for a take out container...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #233 May 8, 2006 Quotei get 2-3 meals out of most resturant orders, so can anyone else.. IF they make themselves put down the fork and ask for a take out container... I do that, too. When out with the wife, we always split a meal. I'd rather see lower prices with smaller serving sizes so we can each have our own thing (- and share 2 dishes) We'd pay a little bit more (bigger tip for the server) but then have the opportunity to eat fresher food, not worry about take home, etc.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,577 #234 May 8, 2006 The appetizers can be a good source of individual-sized dinners; I find that a dinner salad and an appetizer, or a cup of soup with a big salad is a great dinner. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #235 May 8, 2006 QuoteThe appetizers can be a good source of individual-sized dinners; I find that a dinner salad and an appetizer, or a cup of soup with a big salad is a great dinner. I try that, but appetizers are the only thing that has no predictiability as to portion size. Could be next to nothing, or (usually) as much as one of the oversized regular entres. Unless I know the menu already, appetizers at a 'regular' restarant are pretty much full size menu entres (i.e., TOO MUCH food for one person). What I do know, is that a quarter chicken with yuca, two kinds of plantains, beans and rice, with a caraffe of sangria - is way more than one person should try to eat - no matter how good it tastes. And for that matter, is it THAT hard for a restaurant to say a pizza comes in 12, 14, and 16 inch diameters instead of an undefinable small, medium, large. Or in terms of drinks large, extra large, and JUMBO. What the hell does that mean? It only means they have 3 sizes and you don't get to know how big any of them are. I'll be the judge of what I consider a "personal" serving is, thank you. Not some 250 pound desk jockey at some restaurant chain corporate office. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,577 #236 May 8, 2006 QuoteWhat I do know, is that a quarter chicken with yuca, two kinds of plantains, beans and rice, with a caraffe of sangria - is way more than one person should try to eat - no matter how good it tastes. That would have been me, right? Only mine had no beans and rice (whew) Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #237 May 8, 2006 QuoteThat would have been me, right? Only mine had no beans and rice (whew) If you recall, it was me. I had beans and rice, too, plus the other stuff. I just can't stop when the food is that good. Heck I was eying your leftovers, too . I have zero self control and no shame in that place. But it was great fun and better company. You really were sweet to my daughter with all her NASA questions too. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,577 #238 May 8, 2006 I thoroughly enjoyed the evening. But you shared the meal with both wife and daughter; I did share a couple of fried yuccas though. And the food was great Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #239 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteI seem to notice in areas populated by people in the Boston & Washington DC areas (also surrounding suburbs) seem to be more fit generally than when I see people out in more rural areasSome of that is probably effective mass transit. People walk to and from subway and bus stops in many cities. I noticed the same thing in NYC. . I believe it was a National Geographic article a while ago where that described how obesity was becoming an issue or challenge for city planners. If you're suburbs are widely spread out and there are not even side walks on most streets everyone will have to drive. In densly populated urban areas or also smaller European style towns many things are within walking distance, parking space is scarce, there are side walks and pedestrian zones, and usually also better public transportation. The other issue is eating out - the point being that one should not worry just about fast and junk food but almost any kind of restaurant food. Reasonable home cooked food with veggie oils is almost always much less fattening. Restaurants tend to throw lumps of butter/lard on whatever they serve. The problem here is that in the US traditions and habits of home cooking are much less developed and engrained than in other cultures. T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
