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QuoteAnd the sad thing is it is soooooo obvious and right in front of us, and people still stick up for this Monkey!
It is like Lewis black said " they are taking a massive shit in front of us and calling it manure."
Typical lib thought process. If someone does not see it like they do they are blind or stupid
Thanks for the lesson in elitism (one more time)
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No, you implied that, not me. And secondly, the people that are falling for it ARE stupid because they don't have their own thought process! I am not saying that Conserv's are closed minded (although most of them are), I am saying that the clues are right in front of us, and alot of people don't have the time or energy to care and it is sad!
I am very proud to be a liberal! Liberals are the ones who push to make changes. It took a liberal to push for women to vote in this country. Not to leave the subject, but just trying to make a point.
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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteAnd the sad thing is it is soooooo obvious and right in front of us, and people still stick up for this Monkey!
It is like Lewis black said " they are taking a massive shit in front of us and calling it manure."
Typical lib thought process. If someone does not see it like they do they are blind or stupid
Thanks for the lesson in elitism (one more time)
No, you implied that, not me. And secondly, the people that are falling for it ARE stupid because they don't have their own thought process! I am not saying that Conserv's are closed minded (although most of them are), I am saying that the clues are right in front of us, and alot of people don't have the time or energy to care and it is sad!
I am very proud to be a liberal! Liberals are the ones who push to make changes. It took a liberal to push for women to vote in this country. Not to leave the subject, but just trying to make a point.
Yes the clues are right in front of us. They say the libs will distort and lie to get back into power regardless the cost to the country. By default you have called me stupid. So be it as I expected no less.
As for the libs making changes? Which changes they are making or have made do you support?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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Yes the clues are right in front of us. They say the libs will distort and lie to get back into power regardless the cost to the country. By default you have called me stupid. So be it as I expected no less.
As for the libs making changes? Which changes they are making or have made do you support?
Yes the clues are right in front of us. They say the libs will distort and lie to get back into power regardless the cost to the country. By default you have called me stupid. So be it as I expected no less.
As for the libs making changes? Which changes they are making or have made do you support?
"They say" hummmmm, they who?
And I believe I have already answered that question.
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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
rushmc 23
They = the clues
What changes have the libs made that you think are good?
What changes have the libs made that you think are good?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Amazon 7
QuoteWhat changes have the libs made that you think are good?
WAY too easy
http://masonc.home.netcom.com/liberal.html
Accomplishments of Liberalism
So what have you done for me? If you are an American citizen, liberalism has done a lot for you. This list is nowhere near complete, but it touches on the highlights of liberalism's proudest accomplishments. Also, notice how many of these have the word "present" for the time frame. This shows that we are still reaping the benefits of these liberal programs today, in 1996. If you have an addition to this list, please send me e-mail.
Interstate Highway System
Era: 1950's-present
Proposed by Roosevelt and erected by Eisenhower (a Republican), the Interstate system was a big government project. As much as anything else in the post WWII era, the Interstate is responsible for tremendous economic growth, prosperity, and has spawned an entire culture.
GI Bill
Era: 1950's
This act of Congress enabled millions upon millions of Americans to get college educations, something that most Americans had never had the opportunity to do previously. An entire generation of leaders, scientists, and business people owe their education to the GI Bill.
Labor Laws
Era: 1930's-present
An end to child labor, 40 hour work weeks, the right of employees to collectively bargain, overtime pay, workplace safety, all of the things we take for granted today are thanks to liberal laws passed in the first half of this century. It was the conservatives who fought tooth and nail against the end of sweatshops and exploitation.
Marshall Plan
Era: late 1940's-1950's
Foreign aid is a popular scapegoat these days. Those who would cut it should look back at the Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe, and is the major reason that Communism never made it past East Berlin.
Environmental Laws
Era: 1970's-present
The environment has gotten much better in the last 30 years thanks to liberals. Bald Eagles fly once again thanks to endangered species laws, most rivers and lakes are clean again due to anti-pollution laws, and frequent smog days are a thing of the past in most big American cities.
Food safety laws
Era: 1910's-present
Ever read Sinclair's "The Jungle?" That's what things were really like before food purity laws were on the books. Today cases of food poisoning are rare, and consumers know that whatever they buy is safe to eat.
Workplace safety laws
Era: 1930's-present
Long hours in unsafe conditions are much rarer today than in the past. Tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and child labor have been eliminated by liberal and progressive legislation.
Social Security
Era: 1930's-1970's
This program has provided three generations of Americans retirement benefits, and nearly eliminated poverty among the elderly. The program is weakening now, but for 50 years it did its job to a T.
Economic Growth
Era: 1950's-1960's
Liberalism and economic prosperity go hand-in-hand. Unlike the pseudo-boom of the 1980's, the 1950's and 1960's were a period of sustained and real growth for all sectors of the economy and all social classes. Taxes were fair, government worked, and America prospered under both Democratic and Republican administrations
Space Program
Era: 1950's-present
It was Kennedy who challenged us to make it to the moon, and it is under his and Johnson's administrations that the space program took off, with numerous benefits to American industry and peoples' standard of living, not to mention national pride. If you are reading this on a computer, thank the space program and the liberals who got it going.
Peace corps
Era: 1960's-present
Kennedy inspired thousands of Americans to ask what they could do for their country, and the Peace Corps is his most visible and effective legacy
Civil rights movement
Era: 1950's-present
Liberal ideals drove the biggest change in American society since the Civil War, the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. All Americans who believe in freedom and opportunity cannot help but be inspired by the valiant struggles of MLK and others. Also recall if you will that the major opponents of civil rights were conservatives.
The fight against Totalitarianism
Era: always
World War II was fought by all Americans; liberals and conservatives fought together the evil of Nazism. The ideal we fought for was freedom and the dignity of the individual against totalitarianism. Under the leadership of Roosevelt and Truman, we won. But the battle is never over, so we must remain vigilant.
The Internet
Era: 1960's-present
Not a liberal program per se, but rather a government one, which many equate as the same thing. The internet is a good example of what a government program can do when allowed to work.
The Tennessee Valley project
Era: 1930's
The Depression-era government program bought electricity to thousands of impoverished families in Appalachia, prevented floods, and created thousands of new jobs.
Women's right to vote
Era: 1920's-present
Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship.
Universal Public Education
Era: 1890's-present
The reason America is so strong economically is because we have a well-educated citizenry. Public schooling is the true melting pot of America, where every student, regardless of economic background can be taught the basics of citizenship. It is no coincidence that in the last 20 years, as conservatives have greatly weakened the public school system, that American students have scored lower on tests and our civic society has started to unravel.
National Weather Service
Era: 1930's-present
This is one of those things you never think about, but you are glad its there. Far from just forecasting the weather, the NWS also provides vital data to pilots and sailors, and the NWS satellites and observation posts provide the raw data that all other weather forecasting services (private ones too!) depend on.
Scientific Research
Era: 1940's-present
Much of the great discoveries in science have come about through grants from the government. This is not to say that scientific genius depends on Washington, but the fact remains that pure science is expensive, and private industry will often not fund experiments which don't have a direct commercial potential. From Salk's polio vaccine to todays Human Genome Project and Hubble Space Telescope, the government is an important partner in scientific discovery.
Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws
Era: 1910's-present
We take it for granted that if a claim is made publicly for a product, it's reasonable to assume it's true. Plus, every time we check the ingredients on a can or package of food, we should mentally call down blessings on the liberals who passed the necessary legislation over the anguished howls of the conservatives, who were convinced such info would be prohibitively expensive, and too big a burden on business.
Public Health
Era: 1910's-present
Government funded water and sewage systems are an important part of modernity. In addition, organizations such as the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control play an important part in maintaining the national health and preventing epidemics through research, vaccination programs, etc.
Morrill Land Grant Act
Era: late 1800's
This act is the reason why nearly every state in the Union has a large public university. These centers of learning have educated untold millions of Americans. If you went to a school with a state name in it, then you were helped by liberalism.
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This is not to say that Liberalism is perfect. Far from it. Like any ideology, it must be constantly on guard for signs of internal decay, and must embrace change in order to remain relevant in a changing world.
rushmc 23
See, I posted they (you) would make claim to issues that are not really thiers to claim and then, the ones they do have solid claim to I consider bad.
But before you ask, you figure it out. It is not worth my time to start or have that argument.
But you can enjoy your paradise. I really don't care.......
Edited to add;
By the way. today Kennedy would be considered a Conservative...........
But before you ask, you figure it out. It is not worth my time to start or have that argument.
But you can enjoy your paradise. I really don't care.......
Edited to add;
By the way. today Kennedy would be considered a Conservative...........
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Amazon 7
QuoteBy the way. today Kennedy would be considered a Conservative...........
He was conservative.. THis administration CLAIMS to be conservative.. there IS a differance....between Conservative and Ultra Right Wing Conservatism.
Almost EVERY one of those programs that make America what it is today were fought by conservatives. Personally.... I dont think most americans are going to like your Talibanization of America.
Enough said, you sat there and answered his question and still rushmc doesn't even accept it. which proves my theory!
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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
>Women's right to vote
Era: 1920's-present
Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship. >
Hence my comment before. I wonder if that answered his question.
Era: 1920's-present
Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship. >
Hence my comment before. I wonder if that answered his question.
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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
Amazon 7
I gotta be nice.... I would hate to get banned.. since I am on the bubble it seems..... I will just try to quietly point out the inherent hypocrisy.
QuoteI gotta be nice.... I would hate to get banned.. since I am on the bubble it seems..... I will just try to quietly point out the inherent hypocrisy.
It's OK, we would not to be labeled as loud mouth liberals.......
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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
rushmc 23
QuoteEnough said, you sat there and answered his question and still rushmc doesn't even accept it. which proves my theory!
You just proved mine!
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
What libs have given us
1 Gov seazed property to be given to another private party to increase economic dev, Why to get more taxes (and they (the libs) are fighting to keep that power in Iowa because they know what is best for someone elses property
2 An education agency that takes money from the states and will only give it back if those states teach what they tell them to teach (first example of removing power from the states)
3 removed power from the states to have a say regulating abortion
4 RINOS have instituted lib policies by federalizing airport safety (I know Bush did it and he was wrong IMO)
5 Would continue to raise taxes to fund entitlement programs to keep them selves in power
6 Call the president a liar when they know dam well that they all thought the same thing long before GWB even thought of running for president
7 Accuse the right of scare tactics When they (and thier media buddies) say slowing the increase in programs are a cut and will stave kids and kick old people out of thier homes
8 Create continuous acusations (Plame comes to mind) to create scandles
9 Libs and the media are now misleading the public about the strength of the economy (but that is starting to now work anymore)
10 Blame altermative media sources for thier loss of power (it is not fair you know)
11 Coninue to attack our rights by
12 gun control
13 Political correctness is the biggest danger to our 1st amendment rights. (don't want to offend anyone)
14 Lie about which party ended slavery while all along supporting some of the biggest racitis in congress because they are Democrates
15 Lie about the reason for the war in Iraq (it is not about oil but you need that lie because you hate Bush)
16 Say coruption is a repulican problem
17 Say they are the inclusive party (unless you are on the other side then you can't be included)
and on and on and on
1 Gov seazed property to be given to another private party to increase economic dev, Why to get more taxes (and they (the libs) are fighting to keep that power in Iowa because they know what is best for someone elses property
2 An education agency that takes money from the states and will only give it back if those states teach what they tell them to teach (first example of removing power from the states)
3 removed power from the states to have a say regulating abortion
4 RINOS have instituted lib policies by federalizing airport safety (I know Bush did it and he was wrong IMO)
5 Would continue to raise taxes to fund entitlement programs to keep them selves in power
6 Call the president a liar when they know dam well that they all thought the same thing long before GWB even thought of running for president
7 Accuse the right of scare tactics
When they (and thier media buddies) say slowing the increase in programs are a cut and will stave kids and kick old people out of thier homes
8 Create continuous acusations (Plame comes to mind) to create scandles
9 Libs and the media are now misleading the public about the strength of the economy (but that is starting to now work anymore)
10 Blame altermative media sources for thier loss of power (it is not fair you know)
11 Coninue to attack our rights by
12 gun control
13 Political correctness is the biggest danger to our 1st amendment rights. (don't want to offend anyone)
14 Lie about which party ended slavery while all along supporting some of the biggest racitis in congress because they are Democrates
15 Lie about the reason for the war in Iraq (it is not about oil but you need that lie because you hate Bush)
16 Say coruption is a repulican problem
17 Say they are the inclusive party (unless you are on the other side then you can't be included)
and on and on and on
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Amazon 7
Gee it took you how long to come up with that "stellar" list of misrepresentations?????
DUDE..... who did you visit to get that stuff
DUDE..... who did you visit to get that stuff
ScottishJohn 25
Quote15 Lie about the reason for the war in Iraq
I think that is the funniest thing you've posted yet.
What was the REAL reason for the war , I can't remember what reason Bush gave as he has constantly changed the lies he has told the world about the war in Iraq.
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If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers
If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers
<17 15 Lie about the reason for the war in Iraq (it is not about oil but you need that lie because you hate Bush)
How can you even say that libs lied about that? Bush was the one who wanted to start the war in the first place. How is that even possible?
How can you even say that libs lied about that? Bush was the one who wanted to start the war in the first place. How is that even possible?
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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla
Amazon 7
QuoteHow is that even possible?
Fox and Newsmax told them so.
rushmc 23
Quote<17 15 Lie about the reason for the war in Iraq (it is not about oil but you need that lie because you hate Bush)
How can you even say that libs lied about that? Bush was the one who wanted to start the war in the first place. How is that even possible?
Is your memory really that short?
What was Kennedy, Schumer, Kerry, Clinton(s) saying about Irag years before GWB even came into the picture? They believed Iraq had WMDs then and even when we came close to the start of the war.
So, were they lying then and not now or, are they lying now and then?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteHow is that even possible?
Fox and Newsmax told them so.
Your elitist attitude (as well as your fear of "other" news sources) is showing.
But all conservatives know we are not as smart as say .... ..... ...... ......... You?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Your last warning, Jeanie. One more and the ban's going to be a lot longer than a few weeks.
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