Zipp0 1 #51 April 25, 2006 Look - If you think Dubya is doing a heckuva job for our country, there is very little I can say or do at this point to convince you that he is not. The fact that you are still backing his policies, while his approval numbers sit at 33%, tells me that you are part of the hardcore right that puts loyalty before reality. In other words, the world could fall apart around you, and you would continue to march lock-step with your fearless leader. As your side of the aisle empties out and the other side continues to fill up, maybe you will get lonely enough to start thinking about the decisions being made, and how they affect all of us. Z -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #52 April 25, 2006 QuoteLook - If you think Dubya is doing a heckuva job for our country, there is very little I can say or do at this point to convince you that he is not. The fact that you are still backing his policies, while his approval numbers sit at 33%, tells me that you are part of the hardcore right that puts loyalty before reality. In other words, the world could fall apart around you, and you would continue to march lock-step with your fearless leader. As your side of the aisle empties out and the other side continues to fill up, maybe you will get lonely enough to start thinking about the decisions being made, and how they affect all of us. Z No what you seem to not understand is that Proof is required not just conjecture and conspiracy theories...is Al Franken your Idol? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #53 April 25, 2006 Quote Al Franken your Idol? Nope. Taylor Hicks. And I have not put forth one conspiracy theory. Believing that Iraq sent their WMD's to Syria, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia is much more of a fantasy than anything I have put forth. Z -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #54 April 25, 2006 QuoteI want a gas guzzler tax. If you choose to drive a hummer that gets 8 mpg you need to pay a high gas tax. Oh great - a progressive sales tax. Go to pump, swipe card, enter car type (everyone enters "Geo Metro" despite what they really drive), fill up, leave. Social engineering in a realm where market forces will push it without the government interference. Maybe we should do that for everything, we can all just carry around our tax returns and when we buy a cup of coffee, they can charge and tax us based on income rather than the value of the coffee. Or if we buy fatty food, that can be taxed more heavily due to the affect on health care costs (except for those with less than "x" dollars of income last year - that wouldn't be FAIR to them).....ad nauseum ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #55 April 25, 2006 Quote Go to pump, swipe card, enter car type (everyone enters "Geo Metro" despite what they really drive), fill up, leave. Nope. Tax paid at purchase time - when you buy the hummer. If you chose to drive up the prices for the rest of us by driving a gas hog, you should pay the price. Especially the dickheads driving hummers in the city. Z -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #56 April 25, 2006 Actually, wouldn't they be lowering our gas taxes by buying more? If they stopped buying gas, the government would raise the gas taxes so they can get the same amount of (or more) revenue. There's a lot of reasons that gas prices are higher, and most don't have much to do with SUVs. For example, the US dollar is worth less now than it was a few years ago. So, the US dollar buys less oil, and gas is more expensive. Also, there's been an increased world demand for gas, and a ton of other things going on that affect oil prices. You can't rest the blame entirely on the shoulders of SUV drivers. http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #57 April 25, 2006 Quote You can't rest the blame entirely on the shoulders of SUV drivers. And I'm not trying to. But there is no doubt that gas guzzlers increase demand, which pumps up price. If we all drove cars that got 60 mpg, the demand would be less than half, and th price would fall. Oh, and thanks for the "how stuff works" article. If you look at the historical gas price data, the start of the Iraq war was the start of the climb in prices: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html If you don't think that policy affects prices, you are a bit foolish. Z -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #58 April 25, 2006 Quote Oh, and thanks for the "how stuff works" article. If you don't think that policy affects prices, you are a bit foolish. Z I put the link to show where I got my info. I try not to take information from another website without giving a citation. And yes, I absolutely think policy affects prices. Current policy has caused the devaluation of the dollar, making everything more expensive. Stability in the middle east is crucial for maintaining stable oil prices. I'm sure there's a lot of other reasons that I can't think of right now because I just woke up and haven't had coffee yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #59 April 25, 2006 QuoteNope. So a "gas guzzler" tax at vehicle purchase, not a 'gas' tax itself. Whatever, don't think it would do anything for those that would purchase such a vehicle anyway. VERY unlikely the government (either party in charge) would spend that money in any constructive way. But if it makes a few people "feel" good to stick it those others, it must be ok. I'd rather see constructive actions taken rather than just self righteous and impotent gestures. But that's about what's left in government today. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #60 April 25, 2006 > I want a gas guzzler tax. >If you choose to drive a hummer that gets 8 mpg you need to pay a >high gas tax. That happens already. A Hummer driver pays 4 times the 'gas tax' that a Prius driver does, since they use 4 times the fuel. That seems to accimplish your goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #61 April 25, 2006 Quote He's given billions in tax cuts to oil companies while spending a few million on hydrogen vehicles, a technology that does not work to reduce our dependence on oil or clean up the environment. I was wondering when I saw Dubya talking about hydrogen, if anyone had explained to him that hyrdogen is not a source of energy, but just a method of transporting it."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #62 April 26, 2006 QuoteQuote You can't rest the blame entirely on the shoulders of SUV drivers. And I'm not trying to. But there is no doubt that gas guzzlers increase demand, which pumps up price. If we all drove cars that got 60 mpg, the demand would be less than half, and th price would fall. Oh, and thanks for the "how stuff works" article. If you look at the historical gas price data, the start of the Iraq war was the start of the climb in prices: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html If you don't think that policy affects prices, you are a bit foolish. Z I see what you mean. I have a similar situation. Everytime my outside thermometer goes up, the temperature rises. Everytime it drops, so does the temperature. I therefore have concluded the thermometer controls the outside temperature. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #63 April 26, 2006 Quote I see what you mean. I have a similar situation. Everytime my outside thermometer goes up, the temperature rises. Everytime it drops, so does the temperature. I therefore have concluded the thermometer controls the outside temperature. - But if saw that there were times when the outside thermometer stayed the same, and the temp rose anyway, you would conclude that maybe you were on to something. Z -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #64 April 26, 2006 QuoteQuote I see what you mean. I have a similar situation. Everytime my outside thermometer goes up, the temperature rises. Everytime it drops, so does the temperature. I therefore have concluded the thermometer controls the outside temperature. - But if saw that there were times when the outside thermometer stayed the same, and the temp rose anyway, you would conclude that maybe you were on to something. Z No, I'd conclude I was on something. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #65 April 26, 2006 Mr. GM I understand your plight, not that you care, but I think we see that the prez does not control the universe and very few conspiracies can propagate in todays "every talking head for themself" political climate. As I have said before look at the way Washington works, its amazing anything gets done as the politicians all have their own agenda. What we need is a statesman (or woman); someone who is going to do what is best for the country. Yes I know thats what Bush says he is doing and I applaud him for at least mentioning alternative fuels. But the man has had too many dinners with oil executives and I suspect that he drinks a little crude before bed every night just to take the edge off. BTW I see from your avatar that Fart Man is your hero, did you know that methane (ever light a fart?) is an alternative fuel?Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
