quade 4 #1 April 23, 2006 Credibility. It's important to choose the right photo op.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2 April 23, 2006 QuoteCredibility. It's important to choose the right photo op. You just can't help yourself can you? Bush is the first President who is actually doing something to try to reduce our dependency on oil by promoting alternatives and still he gets bashed. I really can't see the connection between a stupid, shameless attempt at self promotion in running for President and a photo opt to show support for hybrid vehicles. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 April 23, 2006 I don't get it. But...okay...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 April 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteCredibility. It's important to choose the right photo op. You just can't help yourself can you? Bush is the first President who is actually doing something to try to reduce our dependency on oil by promoting alternatives and still he gets bashed. I really can't see the connection between a stupid, shameless attempt at self promotion in running for President and a photo opt to show support for hybrid vehicles. - Lol... If you don't think our current energy problems are a direct result of GWB's policies, then . . . well . . . I probably can't really do anything to convice you. Actions speak louder than words and so far GWB has done very, very little. All hat, no cattle.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #5 April 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteCredibility. It's important to choose the right photo op. You just can't help yourself can you? Bush is the first President who is actually doing something to try to reduce our dependency on oil by promoting alternatives and still he gets bashed. I really can't see the connection between a stupid, shameless attempt at self promotion in running for President and a photo opt to show support for hybrid vehicles. - Lol... If you don't think our current energy problems are a direct result of GWB's policies, then . . . well . . . I probably can't really do anything to convice you. Actions speak louder than words and so far GWB has done very, very little. All hat, no cattle. Oh, that's right. Bush and his rich oil buddies, war for oil etc. Gotcha. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #6 April 24, 2006 Well, I guess you could say that driving oil prices so high would discourage people from using it, thereby reducing our reliance... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #7 April 24, 2006 Quote Bush is the first President who is actually doing something to try to reduce our dependency on oil by promoting alternatives and still he gets bashed. I really can't see the connection between a stupid, shameless attempt at self promotion in running for President and a photo opt to show support for hybrid vehicles. - That idiot Bush just started promoting alternative fuels in photo ops this week... AFTER his administration policies produced the fastest rise in fuel prices we've ever seen. Not to mention enormous profits for his Big Oil buddies. That's kinda like the drunk behind the wheel promoting MADD after he caused a horrible accident. Jack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 April 24, 2006 QuoteWell, I guess you could say that driving oil prices so high would discourage people from using it, thereby reducing our reliance... Please explain how Bush is driving oil prices up. Are you suggesting there is a conspiracy within all oil exporting countries to raise the price of oil globally? If so, please provide a source. It couldn't have anything to do with China and India's increased demand for oil could it? Naw, that would be too easy and besides, why let reality get in the way of a good Bush bash. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 April 24, 2006 QuoteQuote Bush is the first President who is actually doing something to try to reduce our dependency on oil by promoting alternatives and still he gets bashed. I really can't see the connection between a stupid, shameless attempt at self promotion in running for President and a photo opt to show support for hybrid vehicles. - That idiot Bush just started promoting alternative fuels in photo ops this week... AFTER his administration policies produced the fastest rise in fuel prices we've ever seen. Not to mention enormous profits for his Big Oil buddies. That's kinda like the drunk behind the wheel promoting MADD after he caused a horrible accident. Jack Great analogy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #10 April 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteWell, I guess you could say that driving oil prices so high would discourage people from using it, thereby reducing our reliance... Please explain how Bush is driving oil prices up. Are you suggesting there is a conspiracy within all oil exporting countries to raise the price of oil globally? If so, please provide a source. It couldn't have anything to do with China and India's increased demand for oil could it? Naw, that would be too easy and besides, why let reality get in the way of a good Bush bash. - Hmmmmmm, I wonder when gas prices have sharply risen over the last 30 years after the OPEC embargo? Could it be during the Gulf War and the Iraq War? Pure coincidence..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #11 April 24, 2006 Hmmm... Rice=Oil(wo)man (has a goddamn supertanker named after her) Cheney=Oilman Bush the Younger=Failed Oilman Bush the elder=Fluffer for the Saud family/shill for the oil industry There's no incentive for the current junta to support alternative fuels. THey'd rather ride the fuel bomb down to Ground Zero, ala Maj Kong from Dr Strangelove and make as much money giving the rest of us the angry jailhouse fistfuck...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #12 April 24, 2006 No, I wasn't suggesting a conspiricy such as that. However, some of his decisions, such as the tax cuts, budget, high defecit and defecit spending, and lower interest rates have devalued the dollar. A weaker doller = less purchasing power and more dollars to buy less oil, which equals higher gas prices. Pretty much the same reason a european vacation costs more now, I guess. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_16/b3879048_mz007.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 April 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, I guess you could say that driving oil prices so high would discourage people from using it, thereby reducing our reliance... Please explain how Bush is driving oil prices up. Are you suggesting there is a conspiracy within all oil exporting countries to raise the price of oil globally? If so, please provide a source. It couldn't have anything to do with China and India's increased demand for oil could it? Naw, that would be too easy and besides, why let reality get in the way of a good Bush bash. - Hmmmmmm, I wonder when gas prices have sharply risen over the last 30 years after the OPEC embargo? Could it be during the Gulf War and the Iraq War? Pure coincidence..... Just curious if you have any idea how OPEC works? Do you believe all oil exporting countries are members of OPEC? Do you believe all oil exporting countries are Arab? Do you have any understanding of how global prices on oil are determined? Have you any concept of supply and demand? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #14 April 24, 2006 If were going to pay 4 dollars US for a gallon of gas. I rather pay $ for a gallon drilled in the US. They keep saying that it is cheaper to buy forign oil, or that Alaska will only provide 15 years worth of US consumtion. Well Let drill Alaska, and the Gulf of Mexico. As being the words largest user of forgin oil, I wonder how far Opec willgo after they loose our business for the next 15 years._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 April 24, 2006 QuoteIf were going to pay 4 dollars US for a gallon of gas. I rather pay $ for a gallon drilled in the US. They keep saying that it is cheaper to buy forign oil, or that Alaska will only provide 15 years worth of US consumtion. Well Let drill Alaska, and the Gulf of Mexico. As being the words largest user of forgin oil, I wonder how far Opec willgo after they loose our business for the next 15 years. Perhaps some education is needed on oil prices. One of the most common misconceptions about OPEC is that the Organization is responsible for setting crude oil prices. Although OPEC did in fact set crude oil prices from the early 1970s to the mid-1980s, this is no longer the case. It is true that OPEC's Member Countries do voluntary restrain their crude oil production in order to stabilize the oil market and avoid harmful and unnecessary price fluctuations, but this is not the same thing as setting prices. In today's complex global markets, the price of crude oil is set by movements on the three major international petroleum exchanges, all of which have their own Web sites featuring information about oil prices. They are the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX, http://www.opec.org/library/FAQs/aboutOPEC/q20.htm the Petroleum Exchange in London (IPE) and the Singapore International Monetary Exchange (SIMEX). edited to add: fixed url - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #16 April 24, 2006 In today's complex global markets, the price of crude oil is set by movements on the three major international petroleum exchanges, all of which have their own Web sites featuring information about oil prices. They are the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX, http://www.nymex.com/gas_pre_agree.aspxal the Petroleum Exchange in London (IPE) and the Singapore International Monetary Exchange (SIMEX).<<< Thank you!_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 April 24, 2006 As I said before in another thread. The quickest way to get relief is to call your Senators, Congresspeople and Governors to demand they eliminate the taxes on gasoline. Do the math, gas is $75. per barrel/ 42 GPB = $1.80 per gallon. Add approx $.50 per gallon for taxes and you have $2.30 before refining, shipping and delivery costs. Add oil company profits and the profit to your local dealer and you will see getting rid of the tax on gasoline is the best solution. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 April 24, 2006 QuoteIf were going to pay 4 dollars US for a gallon of gas. I rather pay $ for a gallon drilled in the US. They keep saying that it is cheaper to buy forign oil, or that Alaska will only provide 15 years worth of US consumtion. Well Let drill Alaska, and the Gulf of Mexico. As being the words largest user of forgin oil, I wonder how far Opec willgo after they loose our business for the next 15 years. Funny how this conversation got switched around to oil production and prices rather than what GWB was supposedly talking about; getting OFF gasoline and on to hydrogen. I'm kinda curious how he thinks that's going to work. The country has no infrastructure for it. What the country DOES have an infrastructure for is gasoline. Hybrids make the most sense as a short term solution, but GWB has done just about everything he can to allow the US manufacturers to continue this "bigger is better" gas hog lifestyle of ours. So, anyway . . . ACTIONS speak louder than words here. It's so dang easy to talk about something that doesn't exist for his legacy like a Mars program or hydrogen fuel, but he never really -does- anything about stuff like that. Pretty much nothing but lip service. He'd have a LOT more respect from environmentalists if he could close all the loopholes for good old fashioned cars and trucks, then maybe add in some insentives for hybrids rather than this dream of something that really can't take place during his lifetime.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 April 24, 2006 Quotethen maybe add in some insentives for hybrids There is a $3400. tax credit for purchasing Hybrids. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_hybrid.shtml - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #20 April 24, 2006 QuoteQuotethen maybe add in some insentives for hybrids There is a $3400. tax credit for purchasing Hybrids. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_hybrid.shtml - And did the CA law get inacted that lets hybrid drivers use the diamond lane? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 April 24, 2006 Uh huh . . . and what are the tax incentives for SUVs? http://www.taxpayer.net/TCS/whitepapers/SUVtaxbreak.htm And just in case you don't think this is a factor, I'm going to upload a photo from the parking lot of the place I work for tomorrow.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #22 April 24, 2006 QuoteUh huh . . . and what are the tax incentives for SUVs? http://www.taxpayer.net/TCS/whitepapers/SUVtaxbreak.htm But perhaps a small business owner needs all that space to haul all their gear! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 April 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotethen maybe add in some insentives for hybrids There is a $3400. tax credit for purchasing Hybrids. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_hybrid.shtml - And did the CA law get inacted that lets hybrid drivers use the diamond lane? ltdiver Funny you should mention that . . . they're actually limiting the number of vehicles they give that right to now. So, if you where wealthy and lucky enough to get one early, yes, but wide spread use of that benefit is evaporating. My guess is that after hybrids reach a certain threshold, they'll do away with it altogether. Maybe Bill Von can chip in here on the status of that.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #24 April 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethen maybe add in some insentives for hybrids There is a $3400. tax credit for purchasing Hybrids. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_hybrid.shtml - And did the CA law get inacted that lets hybrid drivers use the diamond lane? ltdiver Funny you should mention that . . . they're actually limiting the number of vehicles they give that right to now. So, if you where wealthy and lucky enough to get one early, yes, but wide spread use of that benefit is evaporating. My guess is that after hybrids reach a certain threshold, they'll do away with it altogether. Maybe Bill Von can chip in here on the status of that. So....billvon has that right (weathy and one of the first hybrid owners...plus he's very very smart). Guess you better cash in for your next car pretty quick, Paul, to get in on that ride. btw, in the areas that require 3 people in a [non-hybrid] car to use the carpool lane....if you only have 2 seats in your car (roadster, miata, etc) does that count? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 April 24, 2006 I like to think that Bill and Amy would be driving fuel efficient vehicles with or without incentives. As for 2 seat vehicles in high occupancy vehicle lanes . . . don't know. Doesn't effect me, right now.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
