billvon 3,120 #51 April 25, 2006 >however fats you can prove..... Enough with the name-calling. (That goes for calling people Suzie, too.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #52 April 25, 2006 Quote>however fats you can prove..... Enough with the name-calling. (That goes for calling people Suzie, too.) Bill it is a typo..."FaCts you can prove" ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #53 April 26, 2006 QuoteUmmm.... I wouldn't exactly envy the Canadian health system or Tax code. You can have "Free Healthcare" too, but don't think Free means Free... I wrote: QuoteHow is it that Canada has the ability to provide 100% medical coverage to its people when we don't, have its dollar tied to ours and still find a way to appreciate their dollar compared to ours? I can't understand why you wrote in quotes, "Free Healthcare" when I did not. Nothing is free, but as I wrote, Canada can provide 100% medical coverage and still has their dollar incresing compard to ours, so that was the point. We are horribly inefficient...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #54 April 26, 2006 QuoteWOW... that is a stretch. So let me get this straight.... You think letting an inefficiant government run the healthcare system will help americans live longer? FYI - you logic is flawed... Your words here. Currently it is 23% of adults in Canada vs. 30% of USA adults. So, there are more overweight Americans then Right? OK...Point made then. 7% more Americans... :-) And Canadians live longer; where's the flaw? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #55 April 26, 2006 QuoteObesity... Murder... Suicide... There are many factors that can make up the 3% difference. You need to take into account the stress level of the people in Canada vs. the USA as well. Just look at the life expectance of women in the usa. It used to be they lived much longer than men, but now that they are in the workforce, there expectancey has gone down significantly... Are ther more women in the workforce in the US than Canada? or Japan? or Germany? YES... and that alone could be the cause... it sure as shit aint the canadian healthcare system. QuoteThere are many factors that can make up the 3% difference. You need to take into account the stress level of the people in Canada vs. the USA as well. And why would Americans have more stress? COuld it be working more and getting fewe services? QuoteAre ther more women in the workforce in the US than Canada? or Japan? or Germany? Do you mean more, or a greater rate? QuoteYES... and that alone could be the cause... it sure as shit aint the canadian healthcare system So having guaranteed medical coverage doesn't boad well to longer life, versus having zero medical coverage unless you're dying on the doorsteps of teh hospital? That is really a hard argument to make. That's like saying a car doesn't need maintenance unless it is towed into teh shop; preventive oil changes and other PM are needless..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #56 April 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteAlso not taken into account is the genetic make up of the population.... Blacks in America are only expected to get to around 72.5yrs while whites get to 78.3 yrs. Very astute of you. And to what do you attribute that disparity? Go ahead and guess, and I'll tell you if you are correct.... Z It's a plan, by the man, to keep the brother-man down...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #57 April 26, 2006 Quote It's a plan, by the man, to keep the brother-man down...... Not a plan, but you are on to something. The answer is poverty. The poor cannot afford the same level of health care as the middle and upper classes. Z -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #58 April 26, 2006 QuoteQuote It's a plan, by the man, to keep the brother-man down...... Not a plan, but you are on to something. The answer is poverty. The poor cannot afford the same level of health care as the middle and upper classes. Z Oh yeah it has nothing to do with genetics and lifestyle Actually the poor qualify for more medical assistance than the working middleclass...ask any ICU nurse how much care is provided to the poor vs. the wealthy or middle class....its the same care only 1 group won't have to pay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #59 April 26, 2006 Quote...The poor cannot afford the same level of health care as the middle and upper classes. Which is where "Free-Health-Care" (I prefer the term "Nationalised Medicine" comes in. You're right that it isn't free. It is, however, more efficient. In effect central government goes into the medical insurance business (!) on a "non-profit" basis. It sets a premium based on ability to pay for a universal level of cover. It pays it's staff a flat rate (salary). Where the efficiency savings come in is firstly that the insurance companies and hospitals are no longer profit-making businesses. Administration can be cut across the board (specifically in billing) - no-one has to chase money since it's the government who collects & pays. The government ain't gonna go bankrupt. It seems free because you pay your "healthcare" along with your taxes (direct & indirect), so while you're paid a little less & stuff costs a little more, you DON'T have to worry about medical bills should the worst happen. Last time I looked, The British NHS provides it's level of service to the whole UK population at LESS THAN HALF the per capita cost of The US System of private health insurance & medical care. I'm not saying it's perfect (is your medical insurance perfect?)... But it is better. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #60 April 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote It's a plan, by the man, to keep the brother-man down...... Not a plan, but you are on to something. The answer is poverty. The poor cannot afford the same level of health care as the middle and upper classes. Z Oh yeah it has nothing to do with genetics and lifestyle Actually the poor qualify for more medical assistance than the working middleclass...ask any ICU nurse how much care is provided to the poor vs. the wealthy or middle class....its the same care only 1 group won't have to pay Which demonstrates that if we had socialized medicine we would all have the same level o care and very available to all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #61 April 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It's a plan, by the man, to keep the brother-man down...... Not a plan, but you are on to something. The answer is poverty. The poor cannot afford the same level of health care as the middle and upper classes. Z Careful, logic doesn't go over very well with the right. Oh yeah it has nothing to do with genetics and lifestyle Actually the poor qualify for more medical assistance than the working middleclass...ask any ICU nurse how much care is provided to the poor vs. the wealthy or middle class....its the same care only 1 group won't have to pay Which demonstrates that if we had socialized medicine we would all have the same level o care and very available to all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #62 April 26, 2006 Quote Oh yeah it has nothing to do with genetics and lifestyle Actually the poor qualify for more medical assistance than the working middleclass...ask any ICU nurse how much care is provided to the poor vs. the wealthy or middle class....its the same care only 1 group won't have to pay Yes, it sure does. Poverty does not allow for a very healthy lifestyle. As far as genetics goes, you'd have to show me data on that one. And to think that the poor in the USA get the same care as the wealthy in the USA is Juuuuust a bit insane. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
