F&%k You, Mr. Bush!

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But this is not Speaker's Corner, so I will now crawl back into my hole

-Is it a warm and comfy hole? Want some company? I need a nap before I have to consolidate business shipments.

Just eat a couple of pounds of sugar.

Not realy -

No - really Don't

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ACMESkydiver 0]

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Just eat a couple of pounds of sugar.

Not realy -

No - really Don't

Actually my friend gave me this HUGE box of Polish chocolates. And I ate too many, and now I'm sleepy.

I don't even like them, either. F&%K You, SUGAR!

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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But this is not Speaker's Corner, so I will now crawl back into my hole

-Is it a warm and comfy hole? Want some company? I need a nap before I have to consolidate business shipments.

Ahhh yessssss :)

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[darnknit 0]

first TFR, sugar?

let me guess, your DZ was not located near a major metropolis that happened to be in a swing state in 2004.

suck it up, slugger. it's not like it happened to you twice a month after a rainy weekend for eleven straight months.

you mean to tell me that an extreme sports enthusiast can't handle a little thing like this?

pulling is cool. keep it in the skin

[Elisha 1]

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Fuck You!!

Edit to add - at least Accuweather isn't real promising for the time frame that he'll be keeping us on the ground - "Clouds and sunshine with a thundershower possible"

...and fortunately I'm booked from Thursday night until Monday at around noon with church stuff, so I shouldn't feel bad myself for not being able to jump.

But Bush is still dumb.

[skybytch 273]

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but his job is just a weeeee bit more important to running our nation than yours, and added security is warranted.

Can someone tell me how skydiving operations twenty or thirty miles away from where the President is going to be threatens his safety or security? 'Cuz I don't see it. GA activities are far more of a threat to the President than skydiving activities, yet GA flights are allowed to take off and land at airports within the TFR area.

[jlmiracle 7]

I meant to say NEVER leave the white House and I don't think he is all that important, at least not to me. I could name 100 people more important to me than him.

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When's the last time you had to deal with death threats because of your elected office? Never? Yeah I thought so.

I'm so glad you know me so well - who the hell are you again?

Hope you have a nice day in your perfect world.

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[billvon 3,120]

>...and you're currently high on...what?

>who the hell are you again?

The ability of some people here to take the smallest issue and turn it into a serious personal affront never ceases to amaze me.

[Amazon 7]

Hey I take it as an affront that you have green lettering and I cant have RED lettering for my name.

[kelpdiver 2]

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first TFR, sugar?

let me guess, your DZ was not located near a major metropolis that happened to be in a swing state in 2004.

suck it up, slugger. it's not like it happened to you twice a month after a rainy weekend for eleven straight months.

Thankfully, no, Bush long ago declared that he didn't want California votes, and so the GOP lost a long time stronghold. But it doesn't make it any less obnoxious, esp coming on the heals of 2 months of rainy weekends. At least it looks like Sunday will be ok for both concerns.

The TFR thing has to be fixed before it gets a lot worse. I got held up in Las Vegas late on a Sunday night because of Al Gore once, and you can believe I sent him a nastygram too. What butthead VP shuts down McCarren on one of the two busiest times of the week? The need of the one doesn't outweigh the need of thousands to go home so they can work the next day.

UAVs (unmanned craft) are becoming very attractive for domestic spying (err, I mean policing), but because the remote operator can't really fly on VFR rules, and the aircraft is by design very hard to spot, the notion is to rely on TFRs for them as well.

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Fuck You!!

Would your response have been identical if the same thing was happening with John Kerry as President?

[jakee 1,596]

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Such a huge price to pay to live in a free country!Crazy You certainly love the freedom that is provided to you and gives you the ability to have such a job. But then you bitch when YOU actually have to make a sacrifice.

Hmm, not being allowed to do things in the name of freedom. Sounds like an odd concept to me

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Hmm, not being allowed to do things in the name of freedom. Sounds like an odd concept to me

With freedom, comes responsibility. Freedom isn't free.

Too many people demand their rights, while doing nothing to earn them.

[ACMESkydiver 0]

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but his job is just a weeeee bit more important to running our nation than yours, and added security is warranted.

Can someone tell me how skydiving operations twenty or thirty miles away from where the President is going to be threatens his safety or security? 'Cuz I don't see it. GA activities are far more of a threat to the President than skydiving activities, yet GA flights are allowed to take off and land at airports within the TFR area.

*This is not a sarcastic answer*

How much security do we go through to board a jump plane? I've gotten on a jump plane in California without showing a piece of ID, a log book, or any gear inspection. If someone is dedicated enough to learn to fly a 737 in an effort to strike at our country, how tough is it to learn to fly a 182? Or a Beech? Or a Caravan? Not tough. I could do it right now. I would suck at it, but I could do it. Even a Caravan and a Kamikazi attitude, you can come up with a couple of scenarios that might work. Might. That's all a dedicated individual needs to work with. -Could you catch a jet with it? No. But in my very limited experience and humble opinion, the most vulnerable time in that jet aircraft (or helo, or what-have-you) is take off and landing. Who's to say you don't blow through airspace restrictions and put that Caravan right down into the landed helo or Citation or whatever it happens to be?

Again, you and I don't have the need or desire to ponder it further, but if I can come up with a distant scenario in five minutes, you can imagine what could be comtemplated in years of planning.

Jump operations could be dangerous. Not just with the plane...again, citing my example above. I provided no ID, and I was not searched. Say 8 of my friends and I do the same thing. The pilot is the only one not 'in' on the plan, so he's eliminated right away. All we'd have to do is drop armed persons in the vicinity. The US does it all the time. They're called 'airborne' troops! It would only make sense that the tactics that have worked for us in war could be used against us in terror. And as far as getting through any presidential security with the armed troops...well according to jlmiracle who I guess is in the know, the secret service is useless anyways.

Far fetched? Yeah! But not nearly as far-fetched as flying a fucking commercial jet into the World Trade Towers right in NYC. Or the Pentagon.

People with extreme ideas can be very productive to human life or very destructive. I would concede some of my jumping or income to protect these possibilities from becoming realities.

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[billvon 3,120]

>How much security do we go through to board a jump plane?

True. But it is ironic that it's illegal to load a Caravan with skydivers and take off within the TFR, but not illegal to load a Caravan with explosives and take off within the TFR.

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>How much security do we go through to board a jump plane?

True. But it is ironic that it's illegal to load a Caravan with skydivers and take off within the TFR, but not illegal to load a Caravan with explosives and take off within the TFR.

You got me there.

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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Fuck You!!

Would your response have been identical if the same thing was happening with John Kerry as President?

John Kerry is just as much of a scumbag as Bush and the rest of them.

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Would your response have been identical if the same thing was happening with John Kerry as President?

Other than the last name, my response would have been exactly the same.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>...and you're currently high on...what?

>who the hell are you again?

The ability of some people here to take the smallest issue and turn it into a serious personal affront never ceases to amaze me.

I know you meant me in your snide little post!

Just because I used up all the posts in bonfire doesn't mean you can attack me from the shadows.

Who do you think you are anyway!!!!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[WeakMindedFool 0]

Good Idea Brother!!! Lets ship the bastard to Iraq!

Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves.
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[kelpdiver 2]

Skydance's response is pretty novel:

You've probably heard about the President being in Nor Cal and how that affects different dropzones on Saturday. We've come up with a solution:
We'll be jumping from 8:00 am till 1:00 pm at another airport just north of here (Medlock Airport, a private airstrip that falls outside of the restrictions), then for a jumpticket you can hop in the PAC and jump into Byron. Once the restrictions are lifted here just give us a ticket and we'll bring you home for some Davis jumping.

But with one forecast for scattered thunderstorms all over the area, I'm not sure how it will workout.

[dorbie 0]

It is definitely a pain in the ass when they roll the President's candy ass into town and ground everyone else. Even my local Paragliding site closes when the big guy is in town.

This caution thing is taken way too far, if you don't have the balls to be the president and fly in without grounding EVERYONE then don't run for the fucking office. Sometimes the Secret Service needs to be kept in check by their boss IMHO.

Stick Cheney in an "undisclosed location" STFU and fly in, no bullshit NOTAMs.

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We'll be jumping from 8:00 am till 1:00 pm at another airport just north of here (Medlock Airport, a private airstrip that falls outside of the restrictions), then for a jumpticket you can hop in the PAC and jump into Byron. Once the restrictions are lifted here just give us a ticket and we'll bring you home for some Davis jumping.

If the weather cooperates it could be a lot of fun - how often do you get to jump into three airports from the same plane in one day?

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Life is SO hard. Poor, poor skydivers can't jump for a day!

Go live in Iraq or someplace where you have to fear for your life or wonder where your next slice of bread is coming from, then come back and complain.

Suck it up.

The issue is the elitism of one guy in appointed office. Who the fuck said it was OK to do this? Him and his SS minders. Well it's just NOT OK. The inconvenience of routinely denying access to normal aeronautical activities for thousands of citizens as a PRECAUTION for one scared man is NOT OK, even if he does hold an important office. And if he's not totally gutless he should keep his SS minders in check.

This isn't just about fun jumpers losing some jumps, it's denied transportation to thousands and it's lost earnings for everyone who works to make our sport possible on a peak day where they might actually make money instead of losing it.

The excuse of threats doesn't cut it. This is remote contingency planning with a real impact on people's lives and a NOTAM doesn't physically stop a real attacker flying.

It's bullshit at it's purest and they get away with it because someone gave them an office and the authority to abuse it.

[GravityGirl 0]

Weather forecast, smeather forecast.

It was forcasted for thunder storms today, and we still managed to get 6 loads up.

Come on over tomorrow Skydance! We'll heat up the bar-b-que.

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Peace and Blue Skies!
Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear!