Lee Harvey Oswald did it ALONE

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Did you use a Carcano? I saw a documentary where they had marksmen trying to do this with the exact type of rifle. They could not.

Secondly I have great doubts about the "magic" bullet. The path of the bullet had to take to fit the 3 shot theory is really weird and then to appear in nearly prestine condition on a stretcher in the hospital.... not likely.

Same documentary showed tests shooting through the amount of "bones and flesh" the magic bullet is supposed to have taken. No way it would have looked like it did. And finally, looking at the footage, no way the headshot could have come from above and behind.

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I also found this photograph (kinda grisly) depicting Kennedy's head just after the shot that depicts the back of his head caved in a bit and flesh hanging over his face, indicating a wound from the back to the front.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/backofhead.jpg

This isn't a fair depiction of the entire event. This was maybe frame 10 after the impact from the bullet he took from the front. Of course AFTER he had been shot from the front the initial thrust of his head would naturually be from front to rear, then recoil from that position to where he wound up in Jaclie's lap. Fact: Oswald was a patsy, he had as much to do with JFK's assination as we did. The mob iced JFK and RFK.

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He acted alone. I have zero reasonable doubt that he did.

1) He was in the Depository;
2) He had the rifle; and
3) It was a fairly easy shot.

Nobody wants to believe that some cracker like him can kill a president because he wanted to. How could a guy like that do it alone? Pretty easily, I am afraid.

I agree with all but point #3.

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He acted alone. I have zero reasonable doubt that he did.

1) He was in the Depository;
2) He had the rifle; and
3) It was a fairly easy shot.

Nobody wants to believe that some cracker like him can kill a president because he wanted to. How could a guy like that do it alone? Pretty easily, I am afraid.

And he did it using a rifle with a scope that wasn't even boresighted...wow what a shot he was

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Marina Oswald later claimed that on 10th April, 1963, Oswald attempted to assassinate General Edwin Walker, a right-wing political leader. She reported that she "asked him what happened, and he said that he just tried to shoot General Walker. I asked him who General Walker was. I mean how dare you to go and claim somebody's life, and he said "Well, what would you say if somebody got rid of Hitler at the right time? So if you don't know about General Walker, how can you speak up on his behalf?." Because he told me... he was something equal to what he called him a fascist."

The JFK assassination wasn't his first try. According to his wife, he had tried to kill other people, but failed. He then decided to practice quite a bit.

Rifles aren't made to be difficult to use. With a little continuous practice with one rifle, a person could become quite good with it.

Of course, another consideration is that JFK was known to be having an affair with Marilyn Monroe. Joe DiMaggio may have been the "grassy knoll" gunman. The jealous husband theory.

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Of course AFTER he had been shot from the front the initial thrust of his head would naturually be from front to rear,

This is a true statement.

However, another true statement would be that following a shot from the rear to the head, the thrust of the head would also be from front to rear. Make sense? If not, I'll explain.

There are several reasons for this - the first including rudimentary physiology. It's fairly certain that when the bullet entered his head, it resulted in a massive neurological impulse - a seizure. When this seizure occurs, the muscles all tighten. The stringest muscles predominate, which are in the back and shoulders. Anyone ever see someone with a seizure curled up in fetal position? Nope. The tense body is straight as a board. Hence Kennedy's movemnet of tensing from front to back.

Other reasons, such as the "jet effect," had some things to do with it, as well.

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This isn't a fair depiction of the entire event. This was maybe frame 10 after the impact from the bullet he took from the front.

Actually, I think this is about as fair as you get! You don't find tissue sagged and pushed up front at the entry wound. You'd find it at the exit site. If it's ten frames after the impact - roughly a half a second, it's pretty tough for a mob toadie of CIA operative to surgically alter the entrance or exit wound at in that time span.

I guess you could say that Oswald's got a far better chance of benig the lone gunman than the odds that that head wound came from the front. Failure to recognize or admit this point does an injustice to the truth, and makes a martyr of a murderer.

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[steveorino 7]

I saw a documentary where they were able to dublicate the wounds and path. One thing is usually wrong when people align Kennedy and Connaly. Connaly's seat was considerably lower than JFKs. He was siting more to toward the door than JFK was.

BTW the "pristine" bullet is not pristine. Look at it from more than one view.

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Anyone ever see someone with a seizure curled up in fetal position? Nope. The tense body is straight as a board. Hence Kennedy's movemnet of tensing from front to back.

He was already deceased after the bullet from the rear (First shot) Struck him in the basal skull area. He fell forward (Just like you shoud if shot from behind, clutching his throat with both hands because he couldn't breath any longer) So i doubt any seisure took place.

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Actually, I think this is about as fair as you get!

BS!

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You don't find tissue sagged and pushed up front at the entry wound. You'd find it at the exit site.

This would explain how come 3/4 of his brain was on the trunk of the Lincoln Continental he was riding in? Jackie actually saw the brain matter and crawled out of th rear seat on the driver's side rear to retrieve it. About that time a secret service agent runs up to the drivers side rear and puts her back into the car. What about the policeman riding the motorcycle in the location of the driver's side rear testify to the Warren Commision that he was struck by blood and brain matter when the president was shot from the front? Was he just making that up. I don't think so. There is film footage of this as well.

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If it's ten frames after the impact - roughly a half a second, it's pretty tough for a mob toadie of CIA operative to surgically alter the entrance or exit wound at in that time span.

I said 10 frames as a sort of timeline seperation for discussions sake only, hell, it could have been 20 frames. Two things are for sure, there was a gunman dressed as a policeman on the grassy knowl. Another placed in a storm drain on the corner before the bridge with a clear visual of the motorcade. All of those people on the grassy knowl didn't hit the dirt because the feared of flying lead from the book depository,

Let's discuss Oswald for a second. He was dumb as a rock, common knowledge. I'm a really, really good shot with a bolt action rifle, or a semi-automatic rifle. My oldest son who is in the military set up the scenario the best we could, and neither one of us could hit the target three times with such accuracy as was depicted in the Zapruder film,

I'll reiterate once again, Oswald was a Patsy, i don't think anyone can say he wasn't. Proper police protocol wasn't even utilized after hie arrest. He was never charged, no one had ever even asked him if he shot JFK, or did you not see the interview outside the police station the day before he was killed?

Jack Ruby, an interesting character, he owned a strip club where about 10 of the CIA personal were reported to have been drinking until late the night before the execution....STRANGE.. Had known ties to the mob, as did Joe Kennedy. WHY would Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswalds ass off in plain view of god and everybody with cameras rolling if there wasn't already a proposed deal in it for him? What that deal was,i don't know, i do know it wasn't a good one. maybe he was just trying to "Make His bones" I don't know.Why did Oswald need to be silenced? And so quickly. Why did the police not have Oswald in a flak jacket which has been normal police protocol for years?Why wasn'tthe Tarrant County Coroner allowed to performthe autopsy? Lot's of unanswered questions.

Last, but certainly not least. WHO stood to gain the most from JFK's death? LBJ, and his mob cohorts of course. Need i continue?

Single lone gunman my ass. Simply impossible. Some of us really need to get out of the mindset that one man who couldn't hit the broad side of a barnyard with a slingshot killed JFK form a visually obscured window in the book depository with a bolt action piece of junk rifle, didn't happen.

Coffe, wake up and smell it...bacon's on fire and the eggs are in serious trouble.

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I don't see why it matters or anyone would care.

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Two things are for sure, there was a gunman dressed as a policeman on the grassy knowl. Another placed in a storm drain on the corner before the bridge with a clear visual of the motorcade.

Only by virtue of the apocalyptic postings of one 'Chuteless' can I not claim that this here is the nuttiest statement of certainty that I have seen on this site.

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Did you use a Carcano? I saw a documentary where they had marksmen trying to do this with the exact type of rifle. They could not.

Nope. We used the M16A2 service rifle. Didn't say I could make the shot using the same rifle. My point was and still is that oswald could have just been lucky that day. Not saying either way whether he made the shot or not. Just pointing out the possibility, although remote, that he could have regardless of what other people have been unable to do using the same rifle and under the same circumstances.

And yes....put me in that building with a M16, no scope, and the same sight picture, I'd make the shot. Using the carcano? Doubt it.

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[HeatherB 0]

Some photos from Dealey Plaza when we visted a little while ago:

The first photo is from the book depository -- the window just to the right of the one where Oswald was. (The have the corner by that window blocked off with plexi-glass.)

The second photo is from the steps on the grassy knoll. The blue X marks in the road mark where he was hit.

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Some photos from Dealey Plaza when we visted a little while ago:

The first photo is from the book depository -- the window just to the right of the one where Oswald was. (The have the corner by that window blocked off with plexi-glass.)

The second photo is from the steps on the grassy knoll. The blue X marks in the road mark where he was hit.

from the view that is shown from the window you can clearly see that the angle of inclination is lousy and will result in a bullet actually striking higher than where you would aim(at this distance possibly striking he target at a higher point of impact than was intended...Oswald had virtually no experience shooting at these angles.

You can also see why an experienced shooter would use the grassy knoll or the catchbasin on the street.

Both of the latter positions allow for egress from the AO.

[jumpingjimmy 0]

i'm pretty sure there are some Americans who still believe Oswald did it all off his own back.... it would upset them to think that the country they love so much would kill their own president, oh no sir, no group (government, Mob, CIA) would possibly strike at the heart of America like that, it MUST have been a lone renegade

mind you.,.... Americans do seem to have a liking for killing their own presidents... poor old Bonzo lover Ronnie Ray-Gun got shot as well didn't he

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i'm pretty sure there are some Americans who still believe Oswald did it all off his own back

I'l proudly raise my hand and identify myself as such.

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it would upset them to think that the country they love so much would kill their own president, oh no sir, no group (government, Mob, CIA) would possibly strike at the heart of America like that, it MUST have been a lone renegade

And yet we believe more than one person was responsible for flying aircraft into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. And we believe that Timothy McVeigh, while the primary actor, had some help and cooperation of other.

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poor old Bonzo lover Ronnie Ray-Gun got shot as well didn't he

Yes, by an intellectually challenged mentally ill man. There's no way one man could have caused that damage, especially a nutcase like him with no military training or real firearms training.

The handgun that he used was a $25 Rohm RG-14 .22 caliber revolver. These small Saturday Night Specials are notoriously inaccurate. There's simply no way that he could have hit Reagan merely by aiming that gun at him.

Furthermore, there is no way that he could have gotten off six shots in that amount of time (less than three SECONDS!) and manage to hit four people, INCLUDING A HEAD WOUND scored upon James Brady.

NOT ONE PERSON has EVER been able to duplicate this feat. He took out a fully protected President with a near fatal wound (a mere inch from Reagan's heart - such accuracy with a shot cannot be achieved through a short-barrelled handgun on a moving target from that distance), got a head wound on ANOTHER moving target, capped a Secret Service agent with a belly wound, and caught a Washington PD officer with a back wound. That's 4 out of 6 shots in less than 3 seconds. (The same sneaky ratio of 2/3 as Oswald. Coincidence? I think not.)

Again, NOBODY has ever achieved this feat. Hinckley was a patsy. There HAD to be several people involved in this assassination attempt to cause the damage that was done. No one man could have done that, especially a mediocrity like Hinckley, and the logical place for these shooters to hide was in any of the large number of buildings around the Hilton.

It was, as a matter of fact - yes, fact, not opinion - a hit organized by Alexander "I'm In Charge Here" Haig so that he could take the Presidency. No lone renegade could have done it.

In fact, the courts found him not criminally culpable for the attempted murders! HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY! There's a cover up going on, because nobody sought out a person or persons that could have been found guilty of this heinous crime that struck at the heart - the very symbol - of America.

Why were there no other indictments? They went after Hunckley and he was found "Not Guilty." And yet, people seem fine with that.

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The head shot from the front could not have come from Oswald. There is no way he did this alone. I personally doubt he was even involved.

There is a side of me that wouldn't be surprised if Curtis LeMay (SAC commander at the time) at least didn't know about this. He hated Kennedy, and the Russians, and he wasn't about to let Kennedy take Vietnam away from the military.

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Sorry. That was a miss-type. I meant "Elves".

inbetween organising Glastonbury?

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to belive that one man alone can shoot 3 shots and kill the president of the USA just doesn't add up

And let's quote from my first post in the thread:

"Nobody wants to believe that some cracker like him can kill a president because he wanted to."

Therein lies the reasons for other theories. It just doesn't seem right. The problem is, it was done.

Yup, I saw an excellent documentary on Oswald's life & movements around the time of and on the day of the assasination, it totally refuted some of the well used 'facts' presented by the conspiracy theorists. It even covered some background on Ruby. Combine that with the fact that random shit just happens and you have a pretty solid case.

The same phenomenon is at work on the 9/11 attacks now, any polished turd is used in substitution for solid evidence and analysis so that the flimsiest of conspiracy theories can be supported.

P.S. 28%? Sigh! Explains a lot though.

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I definitely believe he was involved but I hardly call his three shots "easy".

That's maybe why only one got close to target, the others were off, even the one in the neck was quite a miss.

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Again, NOBODY has ever achieved this feat. Hinckley was a patsy. There HAD to be several people involved in this assassination attempt to cause the damage that was done. No one man could have done that, especially a mediocrity like Hinckley, and the logical place for these shooters to hide was in any of the large number of buildings around the Hilton.

I guess the next thing your going to say is John David Chapman was the patsy in the John Lennon murder?

You are presenting a pretty lame arguement. You've got it in your mind that Lee harvey Oswald acted alone, even though there is much evidence to the contrary. There's a lot of difference between pulling out a .22 cal revolver and just start busting caps in a crowd where someone's bound to be hit and having to possess some marksmanship - sniper skills to kill JFK. Let's just say Lee Harvey Oswald did act alone. WHY then did the police not contain the crime scene? Why did they parade the murder weapon for all the world to see with a detective holding it above his head, without latex gloves on? Why conger up some BS idea about a "Magic Bullet?" Why not let the Tarrant County Coroner do the autopsy on the fallen Commander-In-Cheif?

Sorry, too many "why nots" and "how comes" here. Did you know what was left of JFK's brain was taken out of his skull and preserved somewhere? Now, all of a sudden, poof, like a fart in the wind, it's missing. Things that make you want to go hmmmm.....

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I guess the next thing your going to say is John David Chapman was the patsy in the John Lennon murder?

I think the odds are the same as with Oswald being a patsy.

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You are presenting a pretty lame arguement.

No, shit. In the world of assassination conspiracy's, that's nothing new. But I defy you to prove any of my allegations wrong in that. It's true - Hinckley was found NOT GUILTY. He was also the son of a wealthy contributor to the Bush campaign. Ooooohhhh. That adds intrigue.

Sure, once you dig deeper he was found not guilty y reason of insanity (yeah, like a good conspiracy theorist I left that important part out). Dig deeper and the nonsensical makes sense. I.e., the "pristine bullet" that was crumpled when you see another view of it.

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There's a lot of difference between pulling out a .22 cal revolver and just start busting caps in a crowd where someone's bound to be hit and having to possess some marksmanship - sniper skills to kill JFK.

Yep. And please note that Oswald likely didn't hit his intended aiming spot 2 out of 3 times. You think he was actually aiming from Kennedy's C-6? That's laughable. He missed, but missed low on that second shot. He missed the first shot comletely (although the bullet and concrete fragments did hit
James Hasty - by the way, I challenge any sniper to duplicate the shot that Oswald made when he connected with Hasty. Nobody could shoot a round to bounce off of a tree, and hit concrete to bounce u in that guy's position. Oswald must have had the aim of a freaking genius to be able to make that shot. No sniper has ever duplicated a shot like that! That means that a shot from another person must have hit Hasty.)

Sure, four people in a crowd being wounded is not that unlikely (who knows where Hinckley was aiming, I'll suggest that people try to get those shots in the exact location as where Hinckley did it, to show that it could not be done).

These are tried and true techniques. By the way, I think your body is covered with Body Thetans. There's a Church I know of that can help you out. They'll confirm it, and they have a whole lot of followers, people like Tom Cruise, Kiersty Alley, John travolta and even Lisa Marie Presley (this proves that the Kng is dead, by the way (which was previously proven when the King's little girl married Michael Jackson)). Some people don't want to accept that Elvis died pinching a loaf. There must be a cover up. He's probably with Paul in Pepperland.

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WHY then did the police not contain the crime scene?

You mean, cordon off all of Dealey Plaza and all places, buildings, etc., with a line of sight to the spot where the assassination occurred? Search all of the thousands of people there? Sound like it was logistically feasible at that point? Of course, investigation and polie work is what got JD Tippett killed, so we know the cops were doing something.

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Why did they parade the murder weapon for all the world to see with a detective holding it above his head, without latex gloves on?

After they'd taken prints from it? I dunno. They'd already gotten that nice palm print off the stock that matched Oswald's. Back then, it was what technology allowed. Did you expect them to do a DNA test on it?

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Why conger up some BS idea about a "Magic Bullet?"

The conspiracy theorists conjured that up. "You mean to tell me that a bullet went through the PResident's neck, then through Connaly's chest, wrist and then into his thigh? No way a bullet can do that, unless it's a 'magic bullet.'" Gee, who conjured that up?

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Why not let the Tarrant County Coroner do the autopsy on the fallen Commander-In-Cheif?

Possibly due to conflicts amog jurisdictions. Feds v. Locals. It's not like it hadn't happened before or since. "We need to do it. It's a federal crime." "No, we need to. It happened here." "He's the Commander in Chief." "He's also a murder victim here."

Hindsight is so nice. But I can imagine, "Why did the feds just let some chump local coroner perform the autopsy?" had it happened locally.

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There's a lot of difference between pulling out a .22 cal revolver and just start busting caps in a crowd where someone's bound to be hit and having to possess some marksmanship - sniper skills to kill JFK.

Yep. And please note that Oswald likely didn't hit his intended aiming spot 2 out of 3 times. You think he was actually aiming from Kennedy's C-6? That's laughable. He missed, but missed low on that second shot.

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Sorry, too many "why nots" and "how comes" here. Did you know what was left of JFK's brain was taken out of his skull and preserved somewhere? Now, all of a sudden, poof, like a fart in the wind, it's missing. Things that make you want to go hmmmm....

I'm wondering why you addressed everything in my post BUT THIS? The remnants of his brain could have proved once and for all front or rear shot, or combination of both.

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