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Blessed are the cheese makers !
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QuoteIt's not supposed to be a business!
Preachin is one of the VERY oldest businesses....not real hard work.. good pay.. and power over the masses.
QuoteQuoteIt's not supposed to be a business!
Preachin is one of the VERY oldest businesses....not real hard work.. good pay.. and power over the masses.
bit like prostitution
QuoteA bunch of hypocrites who think they practice the Gospel but hardly appear to from their public persona.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
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QuoteJudge not lest ye be judged
Yeah.. I wish Pat and all the other 700 clubbers.....and a whole lot of other good christians would just remember that one.
Well, the thing is, the Bible says we will know them by their "fruits."
On the other hand, I have heard some* of what Robertson has preached, but I haven't regularly listened to him.
Too many pastors are afraid of preaching what the Bible teaches, because they are afraid they will offend people.
The Cross is offensive.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
On the other hand, I have heard some* of what Robertson has preached, but I haven't regularly listened to him.
Too many pastors are afraid of preaching what the Bible teaches, because they are afraid they will offend people.
The Cross is offensive.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
Just keep in mind :Quote"It is easier for a camel to enter through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven",
Anyone who is reasonably getting by in today's modern society is "rich". And subject to the same deal as that rich young man who approaches Jesus in that chapter.
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>"It is easier for a camel to enter through the eye of a needle than a
> rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven",
>Just keep in mind :
Also keep in mind that "the eye of the needle" was thought to refer to a gate in the Jerusalem wall; only unladen camels could enter since it was so small. Another interesting tidbit is that some scholars think that in one of the early translations, "rope" was mistranslated as "camel."
> rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven",
>Just keep in mind :
Also keep in mind that "the eye of the needle" was thought to refer to a gate in the Jerusalem wall; only unladen camels could enter since it was so small. Another interesting tidbit is that some scholars think that in one of the early translations, "rope" was mistranslated as "camel."
well it doesn't matter, because it isn't even the "punchline" of the incident. That comes a few lines later.
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Okay, for everyone out there who has heard a pastor asking for money:
As a member of the body of Christ, I am instructed to help care for it, including financially supporting the church. I have no problem giving to support the Body of Christ. I can see how someone who isn't a believer gets upset when the time to take up the offering for church comes. If they aren't committed to Christ and His body, they will not see the blessing that comes from giving. It's not about pastors out to get rich--it's about people giving to the church, so the church can grow and have ministry.
How is the church supposed to support itself if the members don't provide financial support?
and I quote:
"Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
"But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
"In tithes and offerings. You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
I have seen firsthand what happens when a believer makes financial sacrifices, and when they tithe; God does amazing things.I would much rather spend my money supporting a ministry/church who is doing God's will, rather than some kind of company who provides services/products that supports immorality.
AND:
We have no right to judge others, whether they are financially well off or not. The incredibly rich Christian may be giving an incredible amount to further God's kingdom. All good things come from God. "Rich Christian" is not necessarily an oxymoron.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
As a member of the body of Christ, I am instructed to help care for it, including financially supporting the church. I have no problem giving to support the Body of Christ. I can see how someone who isn't a believer gets upset when the time to take up the offering for church comes. If they aren't committed to Christ and His body, they will not see the blessing that comes from giving. It's not about pastors out to get rich--it's about people giving to the church, so the church can grow and have ministry.
How is the church supposed to support itself if the members don't provide financial support?
and I quote:
"Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
"But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
"In tithes and offerings. You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
I have seen firsthand what happens when a believer makes financial sacrifices, and when they tithe; God does amazing things.
I would much rather spend my money supporting a ministry/church who is doing God's will, rather than some kind of company who provides services/products that supports immorality.
AND:
We have no right to judge others, whether they are financially well off or not. The incredibly rich Christian may be giving an incredible amount to further God's kingdom. All good things come from God. "Rich Christian" is not necessarily an oxymoron.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
If you are implying I am brainwashed because of my views in the above post, I guess you think I am brainwashed because I believe in the Bible.
Read the Bible to see what it says about the principles of giving and tithing
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Read the Bible to see what it says about the principles of giving and tithing
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
QuoteIf you are implying I am brainwashed because of my views in the above post, I guess you think I am brainwashed because I believe in the Bible.
Read the Bible to see what it says about the principles of giving and tithing
it's just that when you hear and read some peoples deeply religeous quotes, i can't help but think they have been brainwashed by religeon
can i ask you a couple of questions windcatcher?
1. what do you see as the main differences between what people believe when in a religeous "cult" and what people believe who just call themselves "strong christians" ?
2. if such strong religeous beliefs as yours are different to the brainwashing that people recieve in "cults" why are you then different to a brainwashed cult member ?
cults usually require you to shun the rest of society & live & interact only with the group. Mainstream religions don't do this.
Here are other differences:
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
Here are other differences:
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
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Is tithing for you only to the church, or does it include any donation giving for good works (e.g. literacy projects, medical, etc).
I'm uncomfortable with calling it charity when it's all going to a religious body that spends 96% of its money on the church itself and evangelism. There should be some good works to help other people in direct ways in there. Yes, nurturing their soul is good. Making sure they have food, clothing to go find a job, and medical help is also nice.
Wendy W.
I'm uncomfortable with calling it charity when it's all going to a religious body that spends 96% of its money on the church itself and evangelism. There should be some good works to help other people in direct ways in there. Yes, nurturing their soul is good. Making sure they have food, clothing to go find a job, and medical help is also nice.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
Quotecults usually require you to shun the rest of society & live & interact only with the group. Mainstream religions don't do this.
Here are other differences:
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
nicely put !
i can think of more similarities between brainashed cult members and deeply religeous people, than i can think of differences.
It's also funny how most people who arn't in either of those two social groups can probably see the same similarities and yet only people IN those two groups will think the two groups have few similarities... funny that
Bit like how mad people think they are sane, yet everybody who isn't mad can see them for the mad people they are
*sits patiently waiting for the bolt of lightening to strike him down*
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QuoteI'm uncomfortable with calling it charity when it's all going to a religious body that spends 96% of its money on the church itself and evangelism.
My major falling out with churches in general was when I was a teen. My mother was in the choir as was I. I was going to our church parochial school. Mother was also a sunday school teacher. We got a letter where the pastor noticed out contributions had fallen recently.....Mom had lost her job wiht the company she had been with for years because her boss had quit to start his own competing company. She eventyually went to work for the old boss but her income did drop for a couple years.
At the time we had a 10 year old car.. but the Pastor was driving a brand new Cadillac... and living in a HUGE house in a well to do neighborhood.
QuoteI have seen firsthand what happens when a believer makes financial sacrifices, and when they tithe; God does amazing things.
I would much rather spend my money supporting a ministry/church who is doing God's will, rather than some kind of company who provides services/products that supports immorality.
AND:
We have no right to judge others, whether they are financially well off or not. The incredibly rich Christian may be giving an incredible amount to further God's kingdom. All good things come from God. "Rich Christian" is not necessarily an oxymoron.
I seem to recall a story about a rich man, a camel, and the eye of a needle....
By coincidence, "Jesse Duplantis" Just flew into Springfield in his Dassault Mystère 50 (tri-jet).
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N770JD
Tithe, people! Jet-A is getting expensive!!
I wonder if the people that tithe to his ministry feel like suckers...."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."
I suppose it would...which wouldn't be a bad thing. It's not supposed to be a business!
I think that if they were worse though, it would "out them" and turn off many of their followers.
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