Fitting Punishment for Kevin Ray Underwood

[warpedskydiver 0]

Well you know what this is about it's a case of EVIL

you may not believe in God but you know Evil when you see it.

[JohnRich 4]

Perhaps you should provide some information about this Kevin Ray Underwood if you want everyone to vote in your poll...

[warpedskydiver 0]

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Perhaps you should provide some information about this Kevin Ray Underwood if you want everyone to vote in your poll...

John upon further reflection maybe I should delete the thread...I will PM you

[waltappel 1]

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Neighbor Accused in Okla. Girl's Murder Planned to Eat Her Flesh
Sunday, April 16, 2006

PURCELL, Okla. — The man accused of killing a 10-year-old neighbor girl for an elaborate plan to eat human flesh joked about cannibalism on his online diary, discussed the effects of not taking his anti-depression medication and mentioned "dangerously weird" fantasies.

All he wanted in life, Kevin Ray Underwood wrote in his blog, was "to be able to live like a normal person."

People who knew Underwood described him Sunday as a quiet, "boring" and seemingly trustworthy young man. His mother who lived across town called him a "wonderful boy."

"This is something that I don't know where it came from," Connie Underwood said of her son through tears in a brief telephone interview with The Associated Press. "I would like to be able to tell her family how sorry we are. I just feel so terrible."

Kevin Underwood, a 26-year-old grocery store stocker in this small community 40 miles south of Oklahoma City, was arrested Friday. Investigators searched his apartment after he aroused their suspicions at a checkpoint, and found a large plastic tub in a bedroom closet. According to a police affidavit, he confessed that he killed Jamie Rose Bolin, telling FBI agents: "Go ahead and arrest me. She is in there. I chopped her up."

Jamie's unclothed body was inside the tub, along with a towel used to soak up blood, officials said. Police said that, while there were deep saw marks on the girl's neck, she had not been dismembered.

Kevin Underwood, who is to be formally charged with first-degree murder Monday, lived alone in an apartment downstairs from the one where Jamie lived with her father.

Authorities believe Kevin Underwood killed the girl Wednesday, when she disappeared after going to a library, by beating and smothering her.

Investigators found meat tenderizer and barbecue skewers that he planned to use on the body, McClain County District Attorney Tim Kuykendall said.

On his blog, an online diary that he had kept since September 2002, Kevin Underwood described himself as "single, bored, and lonely, but other than that, pretty happy."

He mentions cannibalism, asking "If you were a cannibal, what would you wear to dinner?" and responding: "The skin of last night's main course."

In an entry dated Feb. 4, 2006, Kevin Underwood wrote that he struggled with depression and social interaction.

"Pretty much the only time I believe in God is when I blame him for something," he said. "Or, when I'm really depressed, to cry and beg him to make me better, to make whatever is wrong in my brain go away, so that I can live like a normal person.

"That's all I want in life, is to be able to live like a normal person."

He wrote that he rarely left his apartment for long stretches, except to go to work and to buy food. "I just sit here at the computer every minute of the day, when I'm not at work. A week or so ago, I spent my day off sitting here at the computer, barely moving from the chair, for 14 hours."

He said one of his main interests was the online role-playing game "Kingdom of Loathing," in which stick figures battle one another.

In September 2004, he wrote that his depression deepened after several months without taking the medication Lexapro, an antidepressant also used in the treatment of anxiety disorders.

"For example, my fantasies are just getting weirder and weirder. Dangerously weird," he wrote. "If people knew the kinds of things I think about anymore, I'd probably be locked away. No probably about it, I know I would be."

Kevin Underwood worked for nearly seven years at a Carl's Jr. restaurant, where shift leader Bill Berdan described him as a quiet person who kept to himself. "He did a good job," Berdan said Sunday.

However, he said Kevin Underwood, who quit about a year ago, was a "boring" man who rarely smiled.

"Just his tone of voice, he just sounded dull," Berdan said. "Trying to get a smile out of him took an act of Congress."

Berdan said he and his wife and young daughters never suspected anything unusual.

"He gave my wife rides home from work numerous times," Berdan said. "We never felt uncomfortable. I talked to my girls after this happened, and they said they felt comfortable around him."

His most recent job was as a stocker at a Griders Discount Foods grocery store in Oklahoma City, where he arrived early for his shift Friday, said a manager at the store, Jerry Castro.

"He was the same as always," Castro said. "He was quiet and kept to himself. He didn't interact with people. It just didn't dawn on you that this was something he'd do."

Let the legal system do its thing. Certainly if he is guilty, he should never be allowed to walk free again.

Walt

[Lucky... 0]

If we execute him, we also have to execute innocent people, so no to execution; yes to forever living in a hole.

[waltappel 1]

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If we execute him, we also have to execute innocent people, so no to execution; yes to forever living in a hole.

We don't have to execute innocent people, but I know what you're saying. There is enough uncertainty in the process that executing innocent people is a real possibility.

If there ever was a case where the death penalty was warranted, though, this would be it. I'm ok with it, *if* the news reports are correct, but we all know that the news media are often wrong.

Torture was mentioned. I don't see the point in it.

Mental hospital? Hell no.

Prison? Yeah, I'd be ok with it, buy why pay to keep him alive?

Walt

[Lindsey 0]

This is exactly the person for whom execution should be reserved.

linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[Nightingale 0]

Guys, I think this thread is really insensitive, given that the victim was a relative of a DZ.commer. Maybe we should let this topic go.

[Michele 1]

To All Posters:

Be very aware and appropriate in your postings; this crime took the cousin of a poster here, and she and her family is in deep agony.

Please realize that she, her family, and friends might be reading this. Keep that in mind as you post, please.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[warpedskydiver 0]

hey I asked it be deleted

[lisamariewillbe 1]

I cant believe this thread is here, do you not realize this is the family member of a fellow skydiver? Who POSTS on here asking us to look out for her while it was a Amber Alert.

Skydivers never cease to amaze me

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[Gawain 0]

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To All Posters:

Be very aware and appropriate in your postings; this crime took the cousin of a poster here, and she and her family is in deep agony.

Please realize that she, her family, and friends might be reading this. Keep that in mind as you post, please.

Ciels-
Michele

I'm going to hijack the thread until it's removed and point something out here.

The fact that this thread has a direct impact on one of the other posters to dz.com is a result of that poster's own request for help.

That notwithstanding, the fact that the discussion is taking place in Speakers Corner and this is the internet, I think there is a limit to any expectations anyone can make.

This is akin to the comment by that one guy that asked me to pin a value to my leg based on my experience in Iraq.

The majority of people in SC who don't frequent the Bonfire regularly may not know about the post made there by the victim's relative.

I'm pointing out that if the victim's cousin doesn't want to be agitated, I suggest that they do not read the threads that are related to the valid discussion about the alleged perpetrator. Discussions like these always turn into a death penalty vs. no death penalty spiral anyway.

It would be like me asking people not to start a thread that someone might bring up discussing the traumatic injuries sustained by veterans and whether or not it was "worth it" etc.

Basically, I'm simply reinforcing the basic fact that Internet discussions require a certain degree of insensitivity, a thick skin.

Just some perspective folks.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[lisamariewillbe 1]

Not to make light of what you went through but the death of this girl, her rape and the other acts that were to follow is in a totally different catagory then yours. I personally would rather be blown up, and survive then to read posts about my 10 year old
being well everything she was.

The orignial poster asked for help in the amber alert, she did not ask people to well it doesnt matter, not to you directly but I think this is in poor taste and I think its just wrong. And it shows peoples charater, and integrity

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[Michele 1]

Hi, Gawain. Yes, I agree, a thicker skin is needed in SC, as in most internet chat rooms. I haven't called for the removal of the thread, rather just placed a bit of a reminder that one of us is involved, and is really, really hurting right now; and asked that people be a tad circumspect when replying. I also think that it would be best if she not read this thread, at least right away.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Gawain 0]

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Not to make light of what you went through but the death of this girl, her rape and the other acts that were to follow is in a totally different catagory then yours. I personally would rather be blown up, and survive then to read posts about my 10 year old
being well everything she was.

The orignial poster asked for help in the amber alert, she did not ask people to well it doesnt matter, not to you directly but I think this is in poor taste and I think its just wrong. And it shows peoples charater, and integrity

Well, here we disagree. As I said, all the family members have to do to not be keyed off by a discussion is to "not listen".

Now, in this case, people are discussing the perpetrator's fate in the legal system. Asking people to use tact I think is reasonable. Asking people not to discuss it is not. As I said, a lot of people don't know about the victim's cousin being a fellow dz.commer. Flaming people that don't know serves no one.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[lisamariewillbe 1]

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fellow dz.commer

now they know though.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[Lucky... 0]

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If we execute him, we also have to execute innocent people, so no to execution; yes to forever living in a hole.

We don't have to execute innocent people, but I know what you're saying. There is enough uncertainty in the process that executing innocent people is a real possibility.

If there ever was a case where the death penalty was warranted, though, this would be it. I'm ok with it, *if* the news reports are correct, but we all know that the news media are often wrong.

Torture was mentioned. I don't see the point in it.

Mental hospital? Hell no.

Prison? Yeah, I'd be ok with it, buy why pay to keep him alive?

Walt

Well, it's a circular argument. If we give him extensive appeals then execute him, we've spent twice or more what it would cost to support him forever. If we curtail the appeals, we kill more innocent people using the same system on others.

Most of the rest of the world has woken up, but we still love vengance, which is what CP is.

As for errors, it's unbelivable that we haven't made any ever. Even current-day, it's hugely unlikely.

[Lucky... 0]

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I cant believe this thread is here, do you not realize this is the family member of a fellow skydiver? Who POSTS on here asking us to look out for her while it was a Amber Alert.

Skydivers never cease to amaze me

Deepest sympathies to all who are affected.

[waltappel 1]

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Guys, I think this thread is really insensitive, given that the victim was a relative of a DZ.commer. Maybe we should let this topic go.

I think it is no more or less insensitive than if it had happened to a family who did not have have a skydiver/dz.commer among them.

Walt

[waltappel 1]

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Most of the rest of the world has woken up, but we still love vengance, which is what CP is.

Torture is certainly vengeance. CP? Not necessarily. CP can absolutely guarantee that a dangerous person will never hurt anyone again.

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As for errors, it's unbelivable that we haven't made any ever. Even current-day, it's hugely unlikely.

Of course it's unbelievable. The system is flawed.

Walt

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I cant believe this thread is here, do you not realize this is the family member of a fellow skydiver? Who POSTS on here asking us to look out for her while it was a Amber Alert.

Skydivers never cease to amaze me

yeah they amaze me too... like you didn't even read two line up

[rehmwa 2]

When I saw the name, I assumed it was some country western singer. Thus I immediately clicked torture.

Now that I recall who it really is, then I should have clicked - executed if found guilty. My bad. Regardless of his mental state, etc - this is someone who is a definite danger to the rest of society in many ways. It would be justice to completely removed him from society in a permanent way.

This is a horrible case and that poor child's family has a rough time ahead of them to deal with. I wish them strength.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

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When I saw the name, I assumed it was some country western singer. Thus I immediately clicked torture.

That was totally out of line. I can't believe you post crap like that and expect to get away with it. You are such a left wing, neo-conservative, treehugging, baby seal clubbing, dolphin eatin, granola munching, meat eating, multiphobic, gun toting, foul smelling, ozone destroyer.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SpeedRacer 1]

Yeah, probably drives an SUV & drinks lite beer as well!!

Speed Racer
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Yeah, probably drives an SUV & drinks lite beer as well!!

Yeah, the guy's always posting crap like that. He must be bored at his current job.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants