warpedskydiver 0 #1 April 13, 2006 Watch List Delays Reservist's Homecoming By Associated Press Wed Apr 12, 8:08 PM MINNEAPOLIS - A Marine reservist returning home after eight months in Iraq was told he couldn't board a plane to Minneapolis because his name appeared on a watch list as a possible terrorist. Staff Sgt. Daniel Brown, who was in uniform and returning from the war Tuesday with 26 other Marine military police reservists, was delayed briefly in Los Angeles until the issue was cleared up. The other reservists arrived at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport as scheduled, but instead of immediately meeting their families, they waited on a bus for Brown. "We don't leave anybody behind," 1st Sgt. Drew Benson said. "We start together, and we finish together." Brown, 32, arrived more than an hour later. He had also had airport trouble when he was trying to go to Iraq _ and he missed his plane then as well. "A guy goes over and serves his country fighting for eight or nine months, and then we come home and put up with this?" he asked. Nico Melendez, a spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration, said Wednesday he could not confirm or deny whether someone was on a watch list. He said Brown's case should have been fairly easy for the airline to clear up in Los Angeles. "It should have taken 10 minutes," he said. "We do regret that an American hero was inconvenienced."Quote His entire platoon should have stomped the TSA to within an inch of their lives... maybe then the TSA would understand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #2 April 13, 2006 Just the Department of Homeland Security doing their job to protect all americans. Questioning them really is very unpatriotic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #3 April 13, 2006 Fly your own plane. No TSA, no restrictions on what you can take with you, leave when it suits you, fly direct to the DZ...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #4 April 13, 2006 nice plane! what model year?... John I am suprised you didn't build a Velocity LFG for yourself yet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #5 April 13, 2006 QuoteHis entire platoon should have stomped the TSA to within an inch of their lives... maybe then the TSA would understand You're prone to a bit of hyperbole aren't you? Hey, you forgot my fries.... GET HIM!!!! ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #6 April 13, 2006 It was kind of cool that his mates wait for him... but maybe they should have stayed a lot closer... a group of uniformed lad looking croos would have put the fera of god into the rent-a-cop dipsticks. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1888 0 #7 April 13, 2006 Marines always wait for a buddy. Thats just the way it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #8 April 13, 2006 You missed my point.... they waited in the bus NOT with their mate. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #9 April 13, 2006 QuoteYou missed my point.... they waited in the bus NOT with their mate. That could have caused more problems. Try having 26 others wait behind and then find seats for them all? You'd end up dividing everyone up into several flights over possibly the next couple of days. That Fiest Sergeant did it right from a command and control standpoint, and did it right from a moral standpoint. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #10 April 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteHis entire platoon should have stomped the TSA to within an inch of their lives... maybe then the TSA would understand You're prone to a bit of hyperbole aren't you? Hey, you forgot my fries.... GET HIM!!!! heheh ok then heres another alternative... The TSA tries to do this and the response could politely be NO we won't leave him with you and no you can't stop us here and now unless you are willing to arrest the entire unit. Even if they do place all of them under arrest what will come of it?...probably nothing. What do you think happened with the TSA screener who detained the Marine like a common criminal? I bet absolutley nothing happened but a pat on the back. How many people slipped by while they were busy with this guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #11 April 13, 2006 QuoteHow many people slipped by while they were busy with this guy? Obviously nobody or there would have been headlines about a hijacking. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stoneycase 0 #12 April 13, 2006 here's an interesting thought: the guys name is DANIEL BROWN. not exactly a one-of-a-kind, ya know? i don't really know whether it's a SSN that nabs him, his DL #, or whatever. But damn, the articles about this stuff always indicate it's a "name on a watch/nofly list" the name DANIEL BROWN. why don't you just put "John Smith" on there...Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #13 April 13, 2006 Quoteheheh ok then heres another alternative... The TSA tries to do this and the response could politely be NO we won't leave him with you and no you can't stop us here and now unless you are willing to arrest the entire unit. Now that sounds like more of the Marines I know. The type I respect and admire and appreciate. And that IS likely the response that actually happened. (and then the first sarg did the right thing and kept the guys in control anyway and split them off on their way to wait for their buddy without causing a bigger issue). Marines are cool. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #14 April 13, 2006 QuoteThe type I respect and admire and appreciate. So are you guys saying that the right thing to do if the TSA stops you is to intimidate them? Or does that only apply to people with guns? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 April 13, 2006 QuoteOr does that only apply to people with guns? why would I want to intimidate people if they have guns? that's just bad judgement edit: Mental bubble from your post - 20 or Marines with automatic weapons marching through the airport in step humming battle tunes. blood shot eyes, just looking for an excuse to get in a fight. Don't know many Marines do ya, Narci? I reality, I doubt the Marines get to carry their guns through a commercial terminal. They are just people too, only people with a strong loyalty to each other. In this case, worst case, there'd be a lot of bluster, but no intimidation or confrontation given (maybe taken, but only if the TSA was a crybaby and took their attitudes incorrectly). Then the sarg would tell them to settle down - and they would, immediately. Best case, you'd see a lot of respectful young marines just backing each other up. A lot like a group of teenagers would, only with better haircuts. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #16 April 13, 2006 alternate response - QuoteSo are you guys saying that the right thing to do if the TSA stops you is to intimidate them? No, the right thing to do is to sit down immediately and cry. then hire a lawyer and complain how your 'civil' rights were violated and bash whichever administration is in power (c'mon - everybody's doing it). Then bitch that they only did it because they are prejudice to all people and aren't sensitive to the incredible diversity that is "ME". Finally, after another good cry. Hash it all out with our government paid therapist. Plant a tree. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #17 April 13, 2006 QuoteDon't know many Marines do ya, Narci? I'm married to one. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #18 April 14, 2006 Quotealternate response - QuoteSo are you guys saying that the right thing to do if the TSA stops you is to intimidate them? No, the right thing to do is to sit down immediately and cry. then hire a lawyer and complain how your 'civil' rights were violated and bash whichever administration is in power (c'mon - everybody's doing it). Then bitch that they only did it because they are prejudice to all people and aren't sensitive to the incredible diversity that is "ME". Finally, after another good cry. Hash it all out with our government paid therapist. Plant a tree. You forgot getting on "Oprah" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #19 April 14, 2006 QuoteYou forgot getting on "Oprah" Hey, by the way did you ever think of even ONE right gay people have that straight people don't have? EVEN ONE? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #20 April 14, 2006 this isn't a whining gay thread Narc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #21 April 14, 2006 Quotethis isn't a whining gay thread Narc Just checking if several months of thinking about was enough for you to come up with even one. Guess not. Hmm... I wonder if that's a sign that... could it be? ... THERE AREN'T ANY! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #22 April 14, 2006 Hey, by the way did you ever think of even ONE right gay people have that straight people don't have? EVEN ONE? ------------------------------------------------------------ In Reply To ------------------------------------------------------------ Don't know many Marines do ya, Narci? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm married to one. Quote Geez Narci is there something you would like to tell us and get off your chest?.... Actually I am only kidding you and pointing out that you made it so easy to tease you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #23 April 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou forgot getting on "Oprah" Hey, by the way did you ever think of even ONE right gay people have that straight people don't have? EVEN ONE? That's phrased in an interesting way. But it does highlight the purpose of government, EVERYBODY is out to get rights that they have which nobody else has. It's never about equality, it's about one group using government to try and get some kind of ascendancy over other groups. Government is never really about equal treatment of all. I thought we were talking about the TSA and why you imply that Marines (except your husband of course) are all intimidating thugs...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #24 April 14, 2006 QuoteI thought we were talking about the TSA and why you imply that Marines (except your husband of course) are all intimidating thugs...... I never implied anything of the sort. Thanks for inventing words for me to have said however. I always appreciate that. What I implied was that all this blustering that the marines SHOULD have turned into intimidating thugs is ridiculous. This thread is full of right-wingers saying the marines had every right to interfere when a government security agent believed there was cause to double check that one of them wasn't a threat. I thought you guys were the ones who keep saying "We're at war" but here you are egging one part of your own team to sabotage the work of another part of your own team. Even YOU guys don't take this war seriously. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #25 April 14, 2006 QuoteThat's phrased in an interesting way. But it does highlight the purpose of government, EVERYBODY is out to get rights that they have which nobody else has. It's never about equality, it's about one group using government to try and get some kind of ascendancy over other groups. Government is never really about equal treatment of all. The gay bit was (hopefully) a self-limiting digression from the thread, not a hijack, but if you want to continue this thought maybe it's worth a new thread. If you do want to continue talking about this, please start off by explaining why you think I hold the odd position you seem to be attributing to me. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
SkyDekker 1,465 #2 April 13, 2006 Just the Department of Homeland Security doing their job to protect all americans. Questioning them really is very unpatriotic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #3 April 13, 2006 Fly your own plane. No TSA, no restrictions on what you can take with you, leave when it suits you, fly direct to the DZ...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 April 13, 2006 nice plane! what model year?... John I am suprised you didn't build a Velocity LFG for yourself yet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 April 13, 2006 QuoteHis entire platoon should have stomped the TSA to within an inch of their lives... maybe then the TSA would understand You're prone to a bit of hyperbole aren't you? Hey, you forgot my fries.... GET HIM!!!! ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #6 April 13, 2006 It was kind of cool that his mates wait for him... but maybe they should have stayed a lot closer... a group of uniformed lad looking croos would have put the fera of god into the rent-a-cop dipsticks. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1888 0 #7 April 13, 2006 Marines always wait for a buddy. Thats just the way it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 April 13, 2006 You missed my point.... they waited in the bus NOT with their mate. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 April 13, 2006 QuoteYou missed my point.... they waited in the bus NOT with their mate. That could have caused more problems. Try having 26 others wait behind and then find seats for them all? You'd end up dividing everyone up into several flights over possibly the next couple of days. That Fiest Sergeant did it right from a command and control standpoint, and did it right from a moral standpoint. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #10 April 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteHis entire platoon should have stomped the TSA to within an inch of their lives... maybe then the TSA would understand You're prone to a bit of hyperbole aren't you? Hey, you forgot my fries.... GET HIM!!!! heheh ok then heres another alternative... The TSA tries to do this and the response could politely be NO we won't leave him with you and no you can't stop us here and now unless you are willing to arrest the entire unit. Even if they do place all of them under arrest what will come of it?...probably nothing. What do you think happened with the TSA screener who detained the Marine like a common criminal? I bet absolutley nothing happened but a pat on the back. How many people slipped by while they were busy with this guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #11 April 13, 2006 QuoteHow many people slipped by while they were busy with this guy? Obviously nobody or there would have been headlines about a hijacking. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #12 April 13, 2006 here's an interesting thought: the guys name is DANIEL BROWN. not exactly a one-of-a-kind, ya know? i don't really know whether it's a SSN that nabs him, his DL #, or whatever. But damn, the articles about this stuff always indicate it's a "name on a watch/nofly list" the name DANIEL BROWN. why don't you just put "John Smith" on there...Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 April 13, 2006 Quoteheheh ok then heres another alternative... The TSA tries to do this and the response could politely be NO we won't leave him with you and no you can't stop us here and now unless you are willing to arrest the entire unit. Now that sounds like more of the Marines I know. The type I respect and admire and appreciate. And that IS likely the response that actually happened. (and then the first sarg did the right thing and kept the guys in control anyway and split them off on their way to wait for their buddy without causing a bigger issue). Marines are cool. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #14 April 13, 2006 QuoteThe type I respect and admire and appreciate. So are you guys saying that the right thing to do if the TSA stops you is to intimidate them? Or does that only apply to people with guns? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #15 April 13, 2006 QuoteOr does that only apply to people with guns? why would I want to intimidate people if they have guns? that's just bad judgement edit: Mental bubble from your post - 20 or Marines with automatic weapons marching through the airport in step humming battle tunes. blood shot eyes, just looking for an excuse to get in a fight. Don't know many Marines do ya, Narci? I reality, I doubt the Marines get to carry their guns through a commercial terminal. They are just people too, only people with a strong loyalty to each other. In this case, worst case, there'd be a lot of bluster, but no intimidation or confrontation given (maybe taken, but only if the TSA was a crybaby and took their attitudes incorrectly). Then the sarg would tell them to settle down - and they would, immediately. Best case, you'd see a lot of respectful young marines just backing each other up. A lot like a group of teenagers would, only with better haircuts. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 April 13, 2006 alternate response - QuoteSo are you guys saying that the right thing to do if the TSA stops you is to intimidate them? No, the right thing to do is to sit down immediately and cry. then hire a lawyer and complain how your 'civil' rights were violated and bash whichever administration is in power (c'mon - everybody's doing it). Then bitch that they only did it because they are prejudice to all people and aren't sensitive to the incredible diversity that is "ME". Finally, after another good cry. Hash it all out with our government paid therapist. Plant a tree. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #17 April 13, 2006 QuoteDon't know many Marines do ya, Narci? I'm married to one. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #18 April 14, 2006 Quotealternate response - QuoteSo are you guys saying that the right thing to do if the TSA stops you is to intimidate them? No, the right thing to do is to sit down immediately and cry. then hire a lawyer and complain how your 'civil' rights were violated and bash whichever administration is in power (c'mon - everybody's doing it). Then bitch that they only did it because they are prejudice to all people and aren't sensitive to the incredible diversity that is "ME". Finally, after another good cry. Hash it all out with our government paid therapist. Plant a tree. You forgot getting on "Oprah" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #19 April 14, 2006 QuoteYou forgot getting on "Oprah" Hey, by the way did you ever think of even ONE right gay people have that straight people don't have? EVEN ONE? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #20 April 14, 2006 this isn't a whining gay thread Narc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #21 April 14, 2006 Quotethis isn't a whining gay thread Narc Just checking if several months of thinking about was enough for you to come up with even one. Guess not. Hmm... I wonder if that's a sign that... could it be? ... THERE AREN'T ANY! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #22 April 14, 2006 Hey, by the way did you ever think of even ONE right gay people have that straight people don't have? EVEN ONE? ------------------------------------------------------------ In Reply To ------------------------------------------------------------ Don't know many Marines do ya, Narci? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm married to one. Quote Geez Narci is there something you would like to tell us and get off your chest?.... Actually I am only kidding you and pointing out that you made it so easy to tease you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 April 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou forgot getting on "Oprah" Hey, by the way did you ever think of even ONE right gay people have that straight people don't have? EVEN ONE? That's phrased in an interesting way. But it does highlight the purpose of government, EVERYBODY is out to get rights that they have which nobody else has. It's never about equality, it's about one group using government to try and get some kind of ascendancy over other groups. Government is never really about equal treatment of all. I thought we were talking about the TSA and why you imply that Marines (except your husband of course) are all intimidating thugs...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #24 April 14, 2006 QuoteI thought we were talking about the TSA and why you imply that Marines (except your husband of course) are all intimidating thugs...... I never implied anything of the sort. Thanks for inventing words for me to have said however. I always appreciate that. What I implied was that all this blustering that the marines SHOULD have turned into intimidating thugs is ridiculous. This thread is full of right-wingers saying the marines had every right to interfere when a government security agent believed there was cause to double check that one of them wasn't a threat. I thought you guys were the ones who keep saying "We're at war" but here you are egging one part of your own team to sabotage the work of another part of your own team. Even YOU guys don't take this war seriously. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #25 April 14, 2006 QuoteThat's phrased in an interesting way. But it does highlight the purpose of government, EVERYBODY is out to get rights that they have which nobody else has. It's never about equality, it's about one group using government to try and get some kind of ascendancy over other groups. Government is never really about equal treatment of all. The gay bit was (hopefully) a self-limiting digression from the thread, not a hijack, but if you want to continue this thought maybe it's worth a new thread. If you do want to continue talking about this, please start off by explaining why you think I hold the odd position you seem to be attributing to me. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
