There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

[olofscience 489]

  On 3/14/2021 at 12:47 PM, brenthutch said:

from climate scientists

Do you mean that Zoe Phin crackpot that you brought here? Sorry to break it to you bud, she's no scientist.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 1:04 PM, olofscience said:

Do you mean that Zoe Phin crackpot that you brought here? Sorry to break it to you bud, she's no scientist.

I didn’t bring anyone anywhere, just linked to her graph.  You didn’t like it so I posted another from another source, I believe it was NASA. (Got crickets on that one).

The climate scientists I am referring to are the ones at NOAA and they show the globe to be no warmer than it was 23 years ago.

[billvon 3,085]

  On 3/14/2021 at 1:04 PM, olofscience said:

Do you mean that Zoe Phin crackpot that you brought here? Sorry to break it to you bud, she's no scientist.

People like her are the Einsteins of the denier movement.

[olofscience 489]

  On 3/14/2021 at 1:34 PM, brenthutch said:

You didn’t like it

Making things up again...

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

  On 3/14/2021 at 2:52 PM, billvon said:

People like her are the Einsteins of the denier movement.

More like PT Barnum.

Or maybe William Miller, but in the opposite orientation.

Or maybe just Kevin Bacon:

 

[BIGUN 1,433]

  On 3/14/2021 at 1:34 PM, brenthutch said:

 You didn’t like it so I posted another from another source, I believe it was NASA. (Got crickets on that one).

Ummmm...  I posted THE NASA https://climate.nasa.gov/ AGAIN and YOU were in cricketville.

Here's another - https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

I mean - what the hell does it take to get you to at least spend a few days reading instead of copy/pasting some populist bullshit.   

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 2:57 PM, olofscience said:

Making things up again...

Really?
“February 2021 was characterized by colder-than-average temperatures across much of North America and northern Asia, where temperatures were at least 3.0°C (5.4°F) below average. Other areas with below-average temperatures included much of the eastern and central tropical Pacific Ocean, Australia, southern Africa, southern South America, and parts of the southern oceans. North America, as a whole, had its coldest February since 1994 and the 20th coldest February in the regional 112-year record. Similarly, the contiguous U.S. had its coldest February since 1989. For additional climate information on the U.S., please visit the national climate report. Oceania had its coldest February since 2012.”

 

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202102

[gowlerk 2,255]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:05 PM, BIGUN said:

I mean - what the hell does it take to get you to at least spend a few days reading instead of copy/pasting some populist bullshit. 

You seem to be assuming he is seeking truth and knowledge. What will it take for you to stop banging your head against the wall?

[BIGUN 1,433]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:08 PM, gowlerk said:

What will it take for you to stop banging your head against the wall?

You're right. It's an effort in futility. I think he's too far heels dug in to ever even peel back one layer of depth. 

[BIGUN 1,433]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:07 PM, brenthutch said:

Really?
“February 2021 was characterized by colder-than-average temperatures across much of North America and northern Asia, where temperatures were at least 3.0°C (5.4°F) below average. Other areas with below-average temperatures included much of the eastern and central tropical Pacific Ocean, Australia, southern Africa, southern South America, and parts of the southern oceans. North America, as a whole, had its coldest February since 1994 and the 20th coldest February in the regional 112-year record. Similarly, the contiguous U.S. had its coldest February since 1989. For additional climate information on the U.S., please visit the national climate report. Oceania had its coldest February since 2012.”

 

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202102

That is WEATHER!! That is NOT Global warming!

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:05 PM, BIGUN said:

Ummmm...  I posted THE NASA https://climate.nasa.gov/ AGAIN and YOU were in cricketville.

Here's another - https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

I mean - what the hell does it take to get you to at least spend a few days reading instead of copy/pasting some populist bullshit.   

I’m not disputing higher CO2, nor slight rise in temperatures (that has been happening, on and off since the last ice age).  I disagree that it represents an existential threat.  

[gowlerk 2,255]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:11 PM, BIGUN said:

You're right. It's an effort in futility. I think he's too far heels dug in to ever even peel back one layer of depth. 

It is entertainment for him. And as long as you are also being entertained it's all good. If you are trying to have an honest debate, not so much!

[kallend 2,113]

Don't feed trolls.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:13 PM, BIGUN said:

That is WEATHER!! That is NOT Global warming!

The ENTIRE GLOBE is no warmer than it was in 1998.  Given it is the title of this thread, I thought it worth mentioning.

(And yes you are correct, That is NOT global warming)

Edited March 14, 2021 by brenthutch

[BIGUN 1,433]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:14 PM, brenthutch said:

I’m not disputing higher CO2, nor slight rise in temperatures (that has been happening, on and off since the last ice age).  I disagree that it represents an existential threat.  

 

[olofscience 489]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:07 PM, brenthutch said:

Really?

Yes really, you completely made up the lie that I didn't like the link you posted.

Not sure why you think posting more links or the same link again is a valid argument against that.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 3:39 PM, olofscience said:

Yes really, you completely made up the lie that I didn't like the link you posted.

Not sure why you think posting more links or the same link again is a valid argument against that.

You didn’t have a problem w Zoe’s graph?  You attacked the messenger while ignoring the message, that is why I linked to a different messenger 

Edited March 14, 2021 by brenthutch

[olofscience 489]

  On 3/14/2021 at 4:08 PM, brenthutch said:

You didn’t have a problem w Zoe’s graph?  You attacked the messenger while ignoring the message, that is why I linked to a different messenger 

Nope, otherwise you'd be able to quote me. You can't.

I didn't attack the messenger, that's not allowed here. I challenged some of her other statements on AGW, and hilarity ensued.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 4:17 PM, olofscience said:

Nope, otherwise you'd be able to quote me. You can't.

I didn't attack the messenger, that's not allowed here. I challenged some of her other statements on AGW, and hilarity ensued.

Let’s ignore her for a moment and concentrate on the fact that, according to NOAA, this February’s  GLOBAL temperatures were less than those in 1998.  Exactly the point in the original post.

Edited March 14, 2021 by brenthutch

[olofscience 489]

  On 3/14/2021 at 5:59 PM, brenthutch said:

this February’s

And how about if we average over the entire year? Let's come back to this in January and see how 2021 compares to 1998.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 6:20 PM, olofscience said:

And how about if we average over the entire year? Let's come back to this in January and see how 2021 compares to 1998.

For now let’s just enjoy February but rest assured I will be watching closely to see if record levels of CO2 lead to record levels of temperatures, every single month.

(it’s funny how the website CO2.earth can publish February’s record high CO2 level but can’t bring itself to post February’s temp. (They leave January’s up instead ))

[olofscience 489]

  On 3/14/2021 at 6:31 PM, brenthutch said:

For now let’s just enjoy February but rest assured I will be watching closely to see if record levels of CO2 lead to record levels of temperatures, every single month.

Will you be willing to bet 2021 is colder than 1998 on average then?

[brenthutch 444]

  On 3/14/2021 at 6:41 PM, olofscience said:

Will you be willing to bet 2021 is colder than 1998 on average then?

That hardly matters.  What matters is, we are not in the throes of a climate crisis with run away global warming. It is what I have been saying for nearly twenty years and with each passing year I am more and more vindicated.  

[billvon 3,085]

  On 3/14/2021 at 6:41 PM, olofscience said:

Will you be willing to bet 2021 is colder than 1998 on average then?

Of course he won't.  He will lose, and how will that piss you off?

[olofscience 489]

  On 3/14/2021 at 6:58 PM, billvon said:

Of course he won't.  He will lose, and how will that piss you off?

Yeah thought as much. He was willing to make the "Tesla will be bankrupt soon" prediction though. He's probably afraid of being wrong again.

It's a simple prediction - 2021 will be warmer, on average, than 1998. Then he could shut up for the rest of the year and we'll see in January who's right. I for one, wish I was wrong.

Edited March 14, 2021 by olofscience