Drunken Rednecks are polite!

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I think this is horrible and I hope there is a firestorm over Dateline NBC's tactics. On the flip side, sounds like all the bubbas handled themselves perfectly and hopefully erased some stereotypes. I am going to the Texas race this weekend and the crowd is suprisingly diverse.

http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/14272351.htm

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I see nothing wrong in this as NBC points out that they are not specificly targeting any one group, merely gathering information from a wider segment of society. NASCAR should use the results to their favor and applaud their fans for not showing indifferance. What would they say if people in the stands had shouted insults or worst? They should be proud that the fans paid no mind to the color of another.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Duckwater 0]

Reporters should not attempt to create news, period.

I think its great they didnt happen to run into a racist. But with 100K fans, the chances were pretty good at finding one asshole.

Hell, there is one asshole racist at least out of the House of Reps.

[freethefly 6]

If they really want a sensational story, how about one on why there are so many Jeff Gordon fans. These people are a danger to the rest of us as their glee is shameful and degrading to society. Their lack of sportmanship is shameful to say the least. Very poor losers. Now Rusty Wallace and his team is the shinning example of how to win and lose. All should aspire to be like Rusty. (Sorry about that, I use to drink beer with Rusty once in awhile back in the mid-seventies. I have always been a Rusty fan) (Rusty fan, Now that sounds funny)

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Duckwater 0]

As long as you arent a Kurt/Kyle Bush fan.

I like Biffle and Edwards a lot...

Jeff doesnt get booed at TX too bad....

If Bush wins Bristol again im quitting NASCAR

[freethefly 6]

There is a conspiracy in there somewhere. NBC should do a story on how and why Bush won at Bristol. It was a sad, sad day indeed.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[masterrig 1]

I think, a NASCAR race is really, a good place to do an 'investigative' report of this kind. NASCAR has a diverse following and not just a bunch of ridge-runnin', red-neck good ol' boys with a dip of snuff in their mouths. For an example, there is Roger Penske who owns a race team in NASCAR as well as open wheel race cars, women drivers in the truck series, black drivers, Hispanic, former open-wheel car drivers and various education levels. The fans who put their fannies in the seats at all the races are as diverse.
NASCAR has come a long way since the days of the illegal booze runners. I don't see a problem. People are just too damned sensitive!


Chuck

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Only those taking part will really know for certain if there is any bias (tampering with the experiment or the findings to fit an intended result). Otherwise I consider this a worthy experiment. One in which it sounds (from the preliminary info) like the subjects behaved nobly.

I don't think it's creating news any more than taking a survey is creating news. If anything it's just that it's qualitative in nature, and not quantitative the way a Q&A survey would be. We learn a lot from qualitative investigation - you just have to be careful not to make the leap to quantitative conclusions.

Or as someone here said before: The plural of anecdote is not data.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Here is an interesting article on the growing diversity of NASCAR.

http://www.roanoke.com/columnists/flowers/wb/wb/xp-37716

Just sort of backs up what you say. At the end of the day it's more inclusive, and makes sound business sense, which is great for everyone. I would personally like to see this news report though, to see just how inclusive the sport is in reality to what we are being told.

I see nothing wrong with this and i imagine the only ones that do are worried about what the potential reaction would be.

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

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Erm, I see as many Loser,er, "Rebel" flags in NASCAR parking lots as there were Nazi flags at SS rallies...Racist assholes.

The message is the same...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[masterrig 1]

I can't think of their names, right now but, there have been a few black NASCAR drivers who have made names for themselves in stock car racing. A movie, several years ago, starring Richard Pryor, told the story of one of them. I believe, NASCAR has gone from a deep Southern American sport to a national sport. NASCAR, is American! I'll bet, you can't go in a 7-11, anywhere in this country and not see at least one NASCAR cap for sale. If not, they're just 'sold-out' at the time. I think, anyone trying to play the 'race card' in this day and age of the sport, is just out to start something. NASCAR, is for everyone who likes good ol' racin'! Boogity, boogity!


Chuck

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Erm, I see as many Loser,er, "Rebel" flags in NASCAR parking lots as there were Nazi flags at SS rallies...Racist assholes.

The message is the same...

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I don't care, where you go in this country... you're going to find racism. As for the Stars and Bars, it was originally 'not', a symbol of racism. The Stars and Bars was a symbol of the United Southern States, the Confederacy. Over the years, that flag has been 'construed' as a 'symbol of racism'. The generality that all folks from the South are dumb hilbillies and comparing the Stars and Bars to a nazi flag, is just plain ridiculous, arrogant and a form of bigotry.


Chuck

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I don't care, where you go in this country... you're going to find racism. As for the Stars and Bars, it was originally 'not', a symbol of racism. The Stars and Bars was a symbol of the United Southern States, the Confederacy. Over the years, that flag has been 'construed' as a 'symbol of racism'. The generality that all folks from the South are dumb hilbillies and comparing the Stars and Bars to a nazi flag, is just plain ridiculous, arrogant and a form of bigotry.


Chuck

And the Swastika was originally a Hindu symbol of good luck/long life, but its message has been permanently changed. Ditto for the Civil War Losers' Flag.

Only difference is that the Swastika was used in Germany, and the Losers' Flag was in the US.

Any country whose Constitution allows someone to own someone else is rightly thrown into the rubbish bin. (and yes, that includes an Antebellum US...)

Fucking Redneck racist losers. You lost the fucking war. Get over it.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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I don't care, where you go in this country... you're going to find racism. As for the Stars and Bars, it was originally 'not', a symbol of racism. The Stars and Bars was a symbol of the United Southern States, the Confederacy. Over the years, that flag has been 'construed' as a 'symbol of racism'. The generality that all folks from the South are dumb hilbillies and comparing the Stars and Bars to a nazi flag, is just plain ridiculous, arrogant and a form of bigotry.


Chuck

And the Swastika was originally a Hindu symbol of good luck/long life, but its message has been permanently changed. Ditto for the Civil War Losers' Flag.

Only difference is that the Swastika was used in Germany, and the Losers' Flag was in the US.

Any country whose Constitution allows someone to own someone else is rightly thrown into the rubbish bin. (and yes, that includes an Antebellum US...)

Fucking Redneck racist losers. You lost the fucking war. Get over it.

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Wow! Certainly can't argue with logic like that.
BTW some of our U.S Presidents 'owned' people too!
You certainly hold a lot of anger, don't you?


Chuck

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So refute my points...

How's this--go wave a few Rebel/Loser flags in Harlem, or at a few of the historically black colleges. Have someone take video. Post it on DZ.com

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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So refute my points...

How's this--go wave a few Rebel/Loser flags in Harlem, or at a few of the historically black colleges. Have someone take video. Post it on DZ.com

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I was told a long time ago, that you just can't argue with ignorance. I feel, by your statements you are just being argumentative and inciteful and I just don't care to persue the matter any further. Have a nice day!


Chuck

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Erm, I see as many Loser,er, "Rebel" flags in NASCAR parking lots as there were Nazi flags at SS rallies...Racist assholes.

The message is the same...

I am honestly offended by your statement. The Stars and Bars is not a racist symbol it was the banner of the Confederacy. The S&B represented the 13 states, thus thirteen stars. The bars represent St. Andrew's Cross. The Confederacy did not represent racism but states rights which why the states broke away from the Union, the over-reaching arm of the Federal government. In fact, President Jefferson Davis had every intention of assimilating the slaves into society and eventually abolishing slavery. His own slaves were paid servants and made the same amount that any white person. They also owned land and their children went to school. What the Federal government did with the Emancipation Act was put a large number of un-educated people on the street with no where to go. They were not as welcomed in the North as the history books would like you to believe. Racism was alive and well more so in Northern states than it was in the South. Davis's plan was to give them rights to education and wages along with all the other rights of the people. It was the misguided, over reaching Federal government that continued a racist policy. The Confederacy opposed any policy of the Federal government enacting law upon States that were well capable of governing themselves. Most noticeable today as Federal law trumps any and all state law. So what the is point of having a state government if the laws of the people means nothing to a federal government? The Confederate flag stood for state rights, not racism. The flag does not represent hate groups such as the KKK (who used,solely, the American flag up into the 60's and still fly it along with the S&B) and the Aryan Nation. It represents the men and women whom died protecting the rights of the people and state. My ancestors died under it as did a large number of others. I proudly fly it on my property as do a large number of others. We do not at all view our heritage as racist.
You should read up on the history of the thirteen states that had the balls to stand up to an over bearing federal body before , as you so often do, give an opinion that shows only ignorance on a subject.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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>The Stars and Bars is not a racist symbol it was the banner of the
>Confederacy.

Correct. And as such, was the symbol of an enemy of the US who killed 360,000 americans. To fly such a flag in Kentucky after the Civil War would be like finding (and flying) an Al Qaeda flag at a 4th of July parade.

Time heals all wounds, and nowadays people see that flag as a symbol of the South, not a symbol of the war. That's a good thing overall. We should move on. But I can understand some people disliking it.

(Yes, I know the history of the Civil War. The confederacy's position was quite reasonable. Killing 360,000 americans over it was not.)

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I am honestly offended by your statement. The Stars and Bars is not a racist symbol it was the banner of the Confederacy.

1- I don't care if you're offended. If the Losers' Flag is as racist and much a symbol of the LOSERS as the Swastika is of the Third Reich.

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The Confederate flag stood for state rights, not racism.

Yeah, just like the Nazi flag represents the German People.

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It represents the men and women whom died protecting the rights of the people and state. My ancestors died under it as did a large number of others. I proudly fly it on my property as do a large number of others. We do not at all view our heritage as racist.

The Swastika also represents millions of dead Germans who faught for the Reich.

Then your ancestors were racist losers.

And I'm sure that German nazis thought that it was about Aryan society preservation, not the elimination of millions.

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give an opinion that shows only ignorance on a subject.

Versus the pathetic attempts at revisionist history, trying to frame a group of Traitors as patriots.

You need to smoke fewer drugs-they blur your thoughts.

Cluebird: THE CONFEDERACY FUCKING LOST. GET OVER IT.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[Duckwater 0]

People:

Any 'symbol' means only what the person who is displaying it/saying it thinks it means.

The confederate flag, to many in the south, represents a lifestyle, not race. A black man from Alabama would be more welcome in the Talledega infield than a White man from New York would be. Everyone that displays a rebel flag does not hate african americans, they love their southern heritage. What other lasting symbol is there?

Remember when Bush Sr was flashing the peace sign in Austrailia, there it is the same as flipping the bird. He meant peace, they took it as "fuck you".

Where I work, when someone tells you "have a nice day" it really means "fuck off".

You wont see many rebel flags at the NASCAR race in Texas this weekend. I would like to see it fade into history because of the people that are confused about what it represents, but you cant force it. There are minorities in NASCAR and, remarkably, there seems to be fewer racial incidents than in any other major sport.

[Duckwater 0]

Oh... Southern Die Hard lifelong NASCAR fans are not pissed off that Bill Lester is driving or that there is a development program to get more minority drivers in the sport, they are pissed off that California and Phonix are stealing dates from historic tracks like Darlington and North Wilkesboro.

They dont hate minorities, they hate yankees and hippies

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and hippies

Ahhh come on now, we all love Lynyrd Skynyrd

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[masterrig 1]

You make some real good points! The truth, too.

It appears that, there 'are' red-necks in the North. It's really sad, how some folks have to be so negative. Especially toward things they don't know about or understand.


Chuck

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It appears that, there 'are' red-necks in the North.

Well sure there are. There are "rednecks" everywhere on the planet. In the North, we know them as hard-line liberals. Same thing on the west coast.

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It appears that, there 'are' red-necks in the North.

Well sure there are. There are "rednecks" everywhere on the planet. In the North, we know them as hard-line liberals. Same thing on the west coast.

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Yup! I've got to agree with you. Some, don't see that, though.


Chuck