Amazon 7 #26 April 7, 2006 QuoteWell unless the lie is about a blowjob, then it becomes really serious. That is because the Right does not get their quota of BJ because they have all those conservative uptight women. Jealousy is such a horrible thing. The right just cant get their minds around the fact someone else is having fun and they are not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #27 April 7, 2006 Quotethey were talking about Plame here right? and again, if the president approved the release then it is NOT a leak. Is that so hard to understand?? But, is it not a crime to reveal the name of an undercover CIA operative?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #28 April 7, 2006 QuoteBullshit!!! There has been no claim Valerie Plame's name was released. In fact, to the contrary Libby he stated did not disclose her name. - Wriggle wriggle.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 April 7, 2006 QuoteThe president of the US has the authority to declassify and release anything he chooses. So, while this may or may not be what it seems right now he more than liley broke no law. (if it is what it is being reported (and I doublt this is the whole story) it sure smells bad) Woke up this morning, could not believe what I had heard. Oh I woke up this morning and could not believe what I had heard. Bush goes to school through Nixon and cites them word for word.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #30 April 7, 2006 Quote>and again, if the president approved the release then it is NOT a leak. I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is. It has to be frustrating to want so bad for Bush to be evil. but, it really depends on what the meaning of "leak" is now doesn't it?? As I learn more I am seeing that this is one more "non-story". Fun to watch, I gotta admit"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 April 7, 2006 QuoteQuotethey were talking about Plame here right? and again, if the president approved the release then it is NOT a leak. Is that so hard to understand?? But, is it not a crime to reveal the name of an undercover CIA operative? Yes, only if the agent was undercover at the time, or three year prior to the release, which she wasn't. Now the investigotors say that none of the Bush admin will be called to testify (including Rove) and is no longer looking at Plames name being released. Why? BECAUSE NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 April 7, 2006 Your point??"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #33 April 7, 2006 >It has to be frustrating to want so bad for Bush to be evil. Oh, I don't think it's hard for people to decide that on their own based on his actions. It just takes some people longer than others. > but, it really depends on what the meaning of "leak" is now doesn't it?? Indeed! If you re-define it to mean "release of unofficially released information to the press by a lying democrat" then it's clear that what Bush did is not a leak. Well, the GOP redefined what "lie" means - why not "leak" too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #34 April 7, 2006 non-story... that's right, i suppose...if you think that declassifying intelligence with the sole intent of countering your critics is the same as declassifying intelligence to someone with an actual "need-to-know" i'm waiting patiently for more details, i think libby's going to sing a bit more before this over. and with rove still under investigation, seems like this pot is going to be boiling for awhile. but really, it's frustrating as hell, to me at least, to sit here and listen to this administration say the Pres can declassify anything he wants - and this includes declassifying pre-war intel *secretively* to a select few reporterts with the distinct purpose of attacking reports made by his critics. that, to me, is f***ed and a completely bogus use of executive power to "catapult propaganda". why do you think Libby initial said "no" to the meetings with the reporters - he knew disclosing that NIE to them was questionable at best. when the VP came back and said "go fwd" with the blessing of the P - Libby *still* questioned the action and requested the assistance of legal counsel. Libby was looking to dot his I's and cross his T's because he knew he was being forced to climb out on a limb. he was being told to pass on what-was-then classified intel *secretively* to a select few reporter allies. i'm sorry, but to me, that seems like more than a "non-story" ymmvDoes whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 April 7, 2006 You are showing your deperation me thinks...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 April 7, 2006 QuoteYour point?? My point?!? What? Is ya kiddin' me? "If the President does it then it's not illegal" is STRAIGHT out of the -Nixon- defense. It is inconceivable that anyone could be so f'in -stupid- as to use that line.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 April 7, 2006 For the most part I think you are incorrect and remember any president can order declassification of materials....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 April 7, 2006 Take a breath dude. Any president has the legal power to declassify anything. If a president OK's release of information then it has been , by definition, declassified and it is therefore not illegal to release it. If you go back and look at what he said after the Plame crap, put it into context with this, what he said makes sense you know, if most of you that hate Bush so bad would take a look at issues in context, instead of the context of "now we can get him" you wouldn't get upset as often. By the way, there are some things in this story (as of right now) I do not like. If he broke a law then I will line up on the side to get him out. I do not think that is what has happened here however......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #39 April 7, 2006 QuoteThat is because the Right does not get their quota of BJ because they have all those conservative uptight women. You do understand that you're merely expressing a wierd fantasy here, right? Maybe it amounts to what you "wish" were so. But in the world you've heard referred to as "reality", people on the right, left, middle, independent, and even who don't care at all about politics probably get laid at about the same rate. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #40 April 7, 2006 QuoteTake a breath dude. Any president has the legal power to declassify anything. If a president OK's release of information then it has been , by definition, declassified and it is therefore not illegal to release it. However, there should be an audit trail that substantiates that it was declassified or it would be illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 April 7, 2006 I would assume you are correct."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 April 7, 2006 Perhaps you need to put up a poll........ I have just gone with impirical evidence... of how many right wing guys dont get laid regular like...... because the women around them cant stand their absurd hypocritical asshole attitudes..... and the uptight conservative women who....... " would never do such a thing" And talk about wierd fantasies.. NO... you can stalk me all you want but I have toys I am more interested in Edited to add ......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #43 April 7, 2006 QuoteI have just gone with impirical evidence... Gee, it's real hard to figure out why right-wingers would stay away from you. Your anecdotal experience contributes zero support to your silly sweeping generalizations. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #44 April 7, 2006 QuoteHowever, there should be an audit trail that substantiates that it was declassified or it would be illegal. That's interesting. Does a president legally declassify secret information simply by telling it to someone? Or do they have to submit a form first? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 April 7, 2006 Then put up a poll cupcake....see how women really feel about arrogant conservative hypocrites they might have dated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #46 April 7, 2006 QuoteThen put up a poll cupcake....see how women really feel about arrogant conservative hypocrites they might have dated. I'm bigger, meaner, and TALLER than you. So don't call me cupcake, cupcake. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 April 7, 2006 Dont bet on that pussykins......and I dont see a poll yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #48 April 7, 2006 QuoteDont bet on that pussykins......and I dont see a poll yet. I can safely state that I'll never, ever start a poll on dz com. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #49 April 7, 2006 QuoteQuote>and again, if the president approved the release then it is NOT a leak. I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is. It has to be frustrating to want so bad for Bush to be evil. but, it really depends on what the meaning of "leak" is now doesn't it?? As I learn more I am seeing that this is one more "non-story". Fun to watch, I gotta admit I expect it could be defined as "legal", but it is certainly clear and unambiguous evidence of hypocrisy and lying. Even you will recognize that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #50 April 7, 2006 Quotethey were talking about Plame here right? and again, if the president approved the release then it is NOT a leak. Is that so hard to understand?? there's something called "oath of office" that all preseidents take. i'd find it hard to believe that that is consistent with disclosing the identity of service agents for personal political gain. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
