freethefly 6 #1 April 6, 2006 http://www.leap.cc/ I was just reading the thread concerning the gay marriage thing (they can do as they please) that turned into a drug thread concerning legalization and thought of this organization that is made up of law enforcement officers who are in favor of legalization. Check out their site and read their arguement for such. They make more sense than anyone on the matter as they are the people on the frontline. Watch the promo video and really listen to what they are saying."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #2 April 6, 2006 great info! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #3 April 6, 2006 Quotegreat info! If you say so, but those recreational substances are still illegal. Use the democratic process to change the law. Until then, you should expect to be punished for breaking the law, should you be caught.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #4 April 6, 2006 yes use the process. the same way the process was used in the 30's against immigrants (specifically latino's and southern blacks) when they created that tax act in '37. in short: abuse the process, and manipulate the process to your own ends. it's really the only way to win in this country. "use the democratic process" thats like telling someone the way to washington d.c. from la is "due east". sure it is, but you're going to need to turn a few times before you get there. and until then, we'll keep wondering which LAW it is you're talking about. the city/county/state laws sanctioning the use, or decriminalizing possession? or are you talking about the federal laws criminalizing the possession of 1gram? oh wait, that's right, this is "the democratic process" we're talking about here it should be obvious that one law flies in the face of another. LEAP is another perfect example of sane, rational people who are able to think for themselves. It just so happens that these folks are in law enforcement, and I for one, couldn't be happier that they have chosen the "other" side to be on. at least if it doesn't change "on the books" in my lifetime, i'll know that it has changed in the hearts and the minds of the people.Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #5 April 6, 2006 Quoteat least if it doesn't change "on the books" in my lifetime, i'll know that it has changed in the hearts and the minds of the people. That's a great warm & fuzzy feeling. If you're caught & convicted, I bet it'll keep you warm in the State Pen (if Bubba doesn't).Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #6 April 7, 2006 QuoteThat's a great warm & fuzzy feeling. If you're caught & convicted, I bet it'll keep you warm in the State Pen (if Bubba doesn't). I take it that you did not click the link and read their argument as to why spending 69billion dollars a year and not making one single dent in the drug problem is a failure. I am also supposing that you did not listen to what the L.E.O.'s had to say in the promo video. Locking up thousands of otherwise hardworking, law abiding Americans each year has done nothing to stem the flow of drugs and has done everything to increase the profits of organized crime. You, for one, being an insurance claims adjustor, should be able to see that this is a futile policy that has wasted tax dollars clogging the legal system while creating a prison cottage industry all the while the drug problem still remains as nothing is done to actually stop the problem. The problem is not so much the drugs themselves but the legislation the was designed to not rid the streets of drugs but only to imprison those who have chosen to use. LEAP's mission is to address the problem of use and to give those who do use and those who may someday use a greater tool than what legislation offers, education and safe rehabilitation. Ask any heroin addict if they want be such and the answer would be no. Legalize these drugs, take the profit out of the blackmarket, place them into an area for safe use and educate and ween addicts safely off the drugs. Several things would happen by doing so. You reduce crime. You educate. You reduce HIV infection. You save lives. You create a safer society. Continue with current policy and nothing happens at all other than increased crime rates. Uneducated people. Incresed HIV infection. More deaths. And a more dangerous society. Exafo, closed minds such as yours is more dangerous than any drug on the street. People with such zeal to lock away society do more harm and nothing at all to stem any type of problem that society may face. You cannot simply lock people up for simple use of any substance and honestly believe that it is helping to win the so called "war on drugs". It did not work during prohibition and the proof is overwhelming that it does not work with drugs."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #7 April 7, 2006 Quote...WAH! I want my pot! I don't have to obey any law I personally disagree with!! I wanna be a stoned useless lump of hedonism! I want my way, and anyone who doesn't agree is an ogre!! But I only bitch about it, rather than DO anything about it...WAH!!! So what's your plan of action? Not your plan to bitch and whine, but your plan of action.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #8 April 7, 2006 QuoteQuote...WAH! I want my pot! I don't have to obey any law I personally disagree with!! I wanna be a stoned useless lump of hedonism! I want my way, and anyone who doesn't agree is an ogre!! But I only bitch about it, rather than DO anything about it...WAH!!! So what's your plan of action? Not your plan to bitch and whine, but your plan of action. I write letters to my representatives. I support, when I can, with cash donation to NORML and other rights group, I post at a number of boards to put out the word as others do. I attend rallies when I can. I stay informed. I fully believe in the rights of the people and the right of the state not only on the medical marijuana issue ( the "war on drugs" is also a war on medical mj) but all issues concerning the right of the people. What is it that you do, other than spew hate all over this board?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #9 April 7, 2006 So..."hate" equals anything that doesn't agree with your drug-numbed sensitivities? What color is the sky in YOUR world?Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #10 April 7, 2006 QuoteSo..."hate" equals anything that doesn't agree with your drug-numbed sensitivities? I haven't smoked mj in nearly 6 months. The last time was thanksgiving and was used to bring up my appetite. I have lost close to 30 pounds since. Your comments are often rude if not just down right vile and ignorant as you are not in any situation of another person. You should read one of the good books such as the Bible or the Tao Teh Ching and follow those principles that are there for a good cause. You must have so much hatred in you to be so down on people. I feel sorry for you. I have no time to argue with a closed box."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #11 April 7, 2006 QuoteSo..."hate" equals anything that doesn't agree with your drug-numbed sensitivities? What color is the sky in YOUR world? So full of hate even your own defense is written in an insult-ridden rage! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 April 7, 2006 > . . .with your drug-numbed sensitivities? Cut it out. That goes for Fly and Narci too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #13 April 7, 2006 Edited due to mod comments.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #14 April 7, 2006 No problem here as I will no longer respond to Exafo"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #15 April 7, 2006 QuoteNo problem here as I will no longer respond to Exafo HOORAY!!Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #16 April 7, 2006 state pen, eh? you must've missed what i wrote there...that's OK, i know the AF doesn't have high standards for reading comprehension. if you wanted your joke to make sense you should've used the well known "Federal Pound Me in The A$$ Prison", rather than the state pen. especially since the state that i live in *wouldn't* prosecute you, it would be the Federal Government.Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #17 April 7, 2006 my plan of action has been, and will continue to be built around one word: participation. and i'm not talking use here, funny, but not quite the point. but you are absolutely correct - talking about the issue is fine and dandy, but if change is what you seek - you must *act* LEAP, NORML, Safe Access Now - I belong. I participate. Locally I participate. Locally I support. I don't just give $, I don't just show up to listen to someone talk. I PARTICIPATE. There are quite a few people, actually, that choose to stand in the "grey" - protected by their state, their county, and their city(ies). That number grows every year. Thats my warm and fuzzy right there, my friend. Knowing that I don't participate alone, and knowing that tomorrow, brings the good chance that someone else will join in as well.Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdD 1 #18 April 7, 2006 Dude, it's in the Bible, Psalms 104:14 = "He causeth grass for the cattle, and herb for the service of man" Good enough for me!Life is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites