Lucky... 0
Amazon 7
QuoteI don't think we should be able to try minors as adults. We have a juvenile court system for a reason.
I have to disagree Kris...
Some of these "kids" are just beyond repair they were not raised right and I dont think its possible to overcome that lack of nurture in many of them....they show no remorse... they have a total lack of conscience and their crimes are just heinous. They need to be separated from the rest of us who understand what is right and what is wrong.
On the flip side.. I think they should be given an education.. in something where they can be usefull to society while still being maintained behind bars.. to repay those whose lives they have altered. I do not think they should be put into a prisons general population where they can be made even worse.
kallend 2,150
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf they do an adult crime, they should do adult time. Period. I am a s liberal as the day is long, but there needs to be a firm line established. If we tolerate violent behavior due to the youth of an offender, then we are left with the prospect of even more violence from these offenders when they mature. I am not willing to take that risk. Besides, if they don't have severe mental and/or developmental issues when they enter the juvenile justice system, they absolutely will when they exit. We, as a people, can't afford that. You can rehab some, but not all.
Statutory rape is called so because by statute the girl is too young to understand the outcome of her actions and is incapable of consensual intercourse. With that, how are they supposed to understand other actions they commit? Kinda doubling, isn't it?
You're applying logic to an emotional issue.
There is very convincing physiological and anatomical evidence that the brain is not fully mature until about age 20. No life-long decisions should be made before that time.
I wrote:
Statutory rape is called so because by statute the girl is too young to understand the outcome of her actions and is incapable of consensual intercourse. With that, how are they supposed to understand other actions they commit? Kinda doubling, isn't it?
So if you're stating that I'm applying logic to an emotional issue, I don't see the emotion here. I think you may have been replying to the person IO was replying to.
You are being logical in response to an issue that is emotional, the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" emotion. You can't argue logically with someone who's response is emotional.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,150
QuoteQuoteI don't think we should be able to try minors as adults. We have a juvenile court system for a reason.
I have to disagree Kris...
Some of these "kids" are just beyond repair they were not raised right and I dont think its possible to overcome that lack of nurture in many of them....they show no remorse... they have a total lack of conscious and their crimes are just heinous. They need to be separated from the rest of us who understand what is right and what is wrong.
On the flip side.. I think they should be given an education.. in something where they can be usefull to society while still being maintained behind bars.. to repay those whose lives they have altered. I do not think they should be put into a prisons general population where they can be made even worse.
If you call a tail a "leg", does a dog have 5 legs?
Calling a kid an "adult" does not make the kid an adult.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Amazon 7
I do not think of them as adults.. but they certainly are flawed human beings. I do not think they deserve the kind of treatment they savaged upon other human beings in retribution.. but I certainly do not want them out in the world amoung those of us who do exercise control over our actions in our life.
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf they do an adult crime, they should do adult time. Period. I am a s liberal as the day is long, but there needs to be a firm line established. If we tolerate violent behavior due to the youth of an offender, then we are left with the prospect of even more violence from these offenders when they mature. I am not willing to take that risk. Besides, if they don't have severe mental and/or developmental issues when they enter the juvenile justice system, they absolutely will when they exit. We, as a people, can't afford that. You can rehab some, but not all.
Statutory rape is called so because by statute the girl is too young to understand the outcome of her actions and is incapable of consensual intercourse. With that, how are they supposed to understand other actions they commit? Kinda doubling, isn't it?
You're applying logic to an emotional issue.
There is very convincing physiological and anatomical evidence that the brain is not fully mature until about age 20. No life-long decisions should be made before that time.
I wrote:
Statutory rape is called so because by statute the girl is too young to understand the outcome of her actions and is incapable of consensual intercourse. With that, how are they supposed to understand other actions they commit? Kinda doubling, isn't it?
So if you're stating that I'm applying logic to an emotional issue, I don't see the emotion here. I think you may have been replying to the person IO was replying to.
You are being logical in response to an issue that is emotional, the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" emotion. You can't argue logically with someone who's response is emotional.
I gottcha. Most criminal statutes are driven by a degree of irrational emotion.... hang em and let god sort em out.
You are right.
There was in Spain a couple of years ago a murder commited by 3 teenager. Two seventeen years old guy and one eighteen years old guy raped, run over with a car, and while still barely alive spill fuel and burn a mentally handicapped girl.
The "adult" will be the one that goes to jail, the other ones will stay in a minor detention center for 5 years and go free.
I very much doubt that their behaviour will improve a lot in five years.
There was in Spain a couple of years ago a murder commited by 3 teenager. Two seventeen years old guy and one eighteen years old guy raped, run over with a car, and while still barely alive spill fuel and burn a mentally handicapped girl.
The "adult" will be the one that goes to jail, the other ones will stay in a minor detention center for 5 years and go free.
I very much doubt that their behaviour will improve a lot in five years.
jenfly00 0
QuoteThere were lots of scary stats on the program, but the one that sticks out is that we currently have 2000 juveniles serving life without parole in our criminal system, and the rest of the world has....12.
Until the the Supreme Court ruled against it last year in a narrow 5-4 decision (with Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas and O'Connor voting to continue the practice) the US was one of five coutries in the world that executed minors. The others are Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China and Iran ...nice company, eh?
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"O brave new world that has such people in it".
"O brave new world that has such people in it".
Common sense would have to be applied. Obviously sending an 8 year old to adult court sounds loony.
Richards
Well, it is the system and the rules. What the legislators do is to write laws that give prosecutors all kinds of power to convict people, but they don't write in safeguards. This country and the individual states are so pro-prosecution that they ignore logic, so I hate to advocate them punishing more harshly.
It's fine to say we should interject logic, but there are sooooo many examples of the establishment not doing so.