Delay is out

[mnealtx 0]

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>No...impeaching Presidents for perjury shouldn't be dangerous at all.

Then the voluntary resignation of a senator whose aides have confessed to selling his influence for money should be even less dangerous, no?

In my opinion, yes.

Does "selling influence for money" compare to "selling overnights in the Lincoln Bedroom" ?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,111]

>Does "selling influence for money" compare to "selling overnights
>in the Lincoln Bedroom" ?

I think selling laws is worse than selling a room in a building.

[mnealtx 0]

So which one is it? Selling influence or selling laws?

Want to compare/contrast this to Greenpeace or the Sierra Club trying to get laws favorable to their agendas passed?

This is "business as usual" for all the Congresscritters on both sides of the aisle - if you want to stop it, get rid of the lobbyists.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,111]

> Selling influence or selling laws?

Senators propose and vote on laws. That's their job. Had Delay worked in Wal-Mart, selling influence might have meant getting a good deal while shopping, or a supplier getting a better price for their goods. Since he worked in the US Congress, it meant getting favorable laws proposed and passed.

>Want to compare/contrast this to Greenpeace or the Sierra
>Club trying to get laws favorable to their agendas passed?

You don't have to compare or contrast it - it is exactly the same thing. Had Greenpeace given him $1 million to change his vote on a certain topic, and he had done so, then he'd be just as guilty as if Exxon did the same thing.

[rehmwa 2]

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>Does "selling influence for money" compare to "selling overnights
>in the Lincoln Bedroom" ?

I think selling laws is worse than selling a room in a building.

hee hee hee - your response to someone else would be "So that makes the one ok?"

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,111]

>your response to someone else would be "So that makes the one ok?"

?? Neither one is OK. Neither speeding nor murder is OK, but I doubt you will find anyone who will equate the two as a result.

[mnealtx 0]

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> Selling influence or selling laws?

Senators propose and vote on laws. That's their job. Had Delay worked in Wal-Mart, selling influence might have meant getting a good deal while shopping, or a supplier getting a better price for their goods. Since he worked in the US Congress, it meant getting favorable laws proposed and passed.

>Want to compare/contrast this to Greenpeace or the Sierra
>Club trying to get laws favorable to their agendas passed?

You don't have to compare or contrast it - it is exactly the same thing. Had Greenpeace given him $1 million to change his vote on a certain topic, and he had done so, then he'd be just as guilty as if Exxon did the same thing.

Exactly my point - if we TRULY want to stop this horse crap, on both sides of the aisle, then we need get rid of lobbyists - all of them.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Amazon 7]

Ok Right.. if you say so...

[billvon 3,111]

>if we TRULY want to stop this horse crap, on both sides of the aisle,
>then we need get rid of lobbyists - all of them.

You can't. Lobbyists are people who push for a certain political outcome for a given group. If you pass a law against that, then they will do it for free (or for favors.) If you pass a law against THAT you have just passed a law against any political activism.

Want to circulate a petition to ban gay marriage? Sorry, that's lobbying. Organize a parade to support the troops? Sorry, that's too close to an organized political action committee.

One of the most basic rights we have is "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." That's what lobbyists, PACs and 527 groups do.

I think a better option is to ensure that government officials are free to listen to such people, but are held to high ethical standards concerning what they can accept from such people, and what sort of influence they are allowed to exert. Laws like this should restrict what the GOVERNMENT can do, not what the people can do.

[skydyvr 0]

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Ok Right.. if you say so...

Perhaps you NEED to think less of others in order to feel good about yourself, but you're definitely barking up the wrong tree in this case.

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[Amazon 7]

Perhaps you feel less of others to justify your false sense of superiority. Now I am barking up the right tree

But you are not alone.. it seems to be very prevalent on the far right... choose your own version of superiority... class.. religion etc.

[rushmc 23]

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/no_DeLay_conspiracy/2007/09/26/35872.html

Doesnt matter now does it cause the goal was reached.

Anybody want to bet wether the following goes away or not>


From the article:
DeLay and two Republican consultants still face charges of money laundering and conspiracy to launder money. No trial date has been set.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln