Enron trial: Your Predictions Please

[masterblaster72 0]

This week the defense presents its case. How do you think things will turn out?

All the defense has to do is raise doubts about conspiracy on the part of the two big execs.

Personally, I think they'll both walk.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Amazon 7]

Presidential pardons all around.. just before Shrub leaves office.

[akarunway 1]

Na. Prolly get Martha type sentences IF convicted. A feel good for all the people screwed. I'd like to see an example set myself, restitution (can't have a dime til all paid up) and a stiff 20 yr. sentence at least w/ NO PAROLE . But being Shrubs buddies and all you're prolly right

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[mnealtx 0]

Personally, I hope they get the full sentence and have to pay restitution.

As for pardons... if it was good enough for these guys...

Mike
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As for pardons... if it was good enough for these guys...

so you're saying it's ok to pardon them because Clinton pardoned people?

I would think that just because someone else did it wouldn't make it right.

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[TheAnvil 0]

I hope they get fines of Brobdingnagian proportions and a stiff jail time. Unsure why some lefties are thinking GWB will pardon them. After all, the majority of their crimes were committed during the reign of El Jefe Clintonista and PROSECUTED after GWB assumed office.

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[kelpdiver 2]

I think it will be very interesting to see the pardons given in Jan 2009. It usually is, anyway.

[mnealtx 0]

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As for pardons... if it was good enough for these guys...

so you're saying it's ok to pardon them because Clinton pardoned people?

I would think that just because someone else did it wouldn't make it right.

While it *could* happen, I don't think there's much to worry about... Clinton pardoned 456 people where Bush has pardoned 29 as of mid-2004.

The page I linked has a lot of interesting statistics on Presidential pardons...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[masterblaster72 0]

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I hope they get fines of Brobdingnagian proportions and a stiff jail time.

If they're in fact guilty, I hope so too.

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Unsure why some lefties are thinking GWB will pardon them.

Do the words "Kenny Boy" ring a bell?

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After all, the majority of their crimes were committed during the reign of El Jefe Clintonista and PROSECUTED after GWB assumed office.

Way to invoke the oh-so-original "but Clinton..." argument.

Do you have a selective memory? Enron really went apeshit once Shrub took power.

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Before the 2000 election, Enron employees pondered the possibilities of a Bush win.

"It'd be great. I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy," says one Enron worker.

That didn't happen, but they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices.

"When this election comes Bush will f------g whack this s--t, man. He won't play this price-cap b------t."

Crude, but true.

"We will not take any action that makes California's problems worse and that's why I oppose price caps," said Mr. Bush on May 29, 2001.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[mnealtx 0]

Ah yes, the "CDIF" argument.... or in this case (as in so many others) the "Clinton Didn't Do A Thing About It" argument...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[TheAnvil 0]

If you think GWB will pardon Ken Lay, then good for you. It changes not the fact that GWB's DoJ is prosecuting the man AND the fact that Enron started its rise under El Jefe Clintonista's reign. I don't think a pardon will be forthcoming in this case.

Vinny the Anvil
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[Amazon 7]

Come on Vinny.. if he does pardon all his buds.. you would STILL vote a straight Republican party line.

[TheAnvil 0]

Nope. I vote Libertarian frequently in local elections - and Democrat more often than one would suspect. On the national level I due tend to vote Republican because the alternatives are so repugnant.

Any pardons GWB happens to issue at the end of his term won't really affect my voting for president next time unless the person on either ticket has a reaction to the pardons with which I strongly disagree.

Vinny the Anvil
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[happythoughts 0]

If you rob a gas station in Florida with a gun for $20, you could get life in prison.

These guys stole the jobs and, in some cases, life saving from thousands of people. They literally stole millions of dollars.

Their actions also caused other corporations to make decisions that were financially disasterous.

I hope that the govt makes an example of them and they spend the rest of their lives in prison. As long as there are no consequences, ala Martha Stewart, people will continue to scoff at the law.

[masterblaster72 0]

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Ah yes, the "CDIF" argument.... or in this case (as in so many others) the "Clinton Didn't Do A Thing About It" argument...

In all fairness to your ex-governor, I wouldn't expect him as President to demand Enron's books before anything happened. Would you?

Same goes for Clinton. In fact, being the greasy politicians that they are, I wouldn't expect either of them to do much to stop it even if they knew something fishy was going on at Enron. And it's quite possible that both of them did.

What makes me suspicious is the administration's apathy toward the shredding of the materials that was going on for weeks in light of all those who lost their savings after the sh.t hit the fan. Couple that apathetic response with Shrub's and Bush Sr.'s buddy-buddy relationship with Kenneth Lay, and you have the circumstances that point toward a pardon if he ends up in jail.

I'm not saying that Clinton wouldn't pardon Kenneth Lay if this went on during his term (as a matter of fact I heard that Kenneth Lay contributed to Clinton's campaigns as well); whether he would or would not is irrelevant because, well, he hasn't held office for five years now.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Muenkel 0]

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the administration's apathy toward the shredding of the materials

I wonder if they used the same shredder that Hillary used.

Chris

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[masterblaster72 0]

Well, they were found guilty. I'm interested in hearing what the sentence is going to be.

Bank on an appeal. If there's a significant sentence, count on a pardon in early 2009 for Kenny-boy.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[akarunway 1]

Guilty on what counts? All I hope. Made my fuckin day. Hope they throw the book at them. Tired of the hard working little man getting fucked. We really need to start setting some HARD examples. The poor pot smoker in jail whilst the people that screw people outta their life savings walk or get a slap on the wristhttp://aolsvc.news.aol.com/business/article.adp?id=20060524132909990003&cid=-----------------

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Lucky... 0]

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Presidential pardons all around.. just before Shrub leaves office.

This will really exemplify the truth of the Bush admin if this occurs and I think it might. Clinton pardoned Symington, but he was on the other side of the fence politically. To pardon a bud, Pres Ford style really shows colors.

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Personally, I hope they get the full sentence and have to pay restitution.

As for pardons... if it was good enough for these guys...

Which places him right at the middle of all presidents, but you would rather point out a pres that pardoned an avergage amount rather than one that pardoned the most or close to. Agenda noted.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardonspres1.htm

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As for pardons... if it was good enough for these guys...

so you're saying it's ok to pardon them because Clinton pardoned people?

I would think that just because someone else did it wouldn't make it right.

While it *could* happen, I don't think there's much to worry about... Clinton pardoned 456 people where Bush has pardoned 29 as of mid-2004.

The page I linked has a lot of interesting statistics on Presidential pardons...

Most pardons, especially sticky ones like the Enron boys, would occur atthe very end of his term.

[Lucky... 0]

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I hope they get fines of Brobdingnagian proportions and a stiff jail time.

If they're in fact guilty, I hope so too.

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Unsure why some lefties are thinking GWB will pardon them.

Do the words "Kenny Boy" ring a bell?

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After all, the majority of their crimes were committed during the reign of El Jefe Clintonista and PROSECUTED after GWB assumed office.

Way to invoke the oh-so-original "but Clinton..." argument.

Do you have a selective memory? Enron really went apeshit once Shrub took power.

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Before the 2000 election, Enron employees pondered the possibilities of a Bush win.

"It'd be great. I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy," says one Enron worker.

That didn't happen, but they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices.

"When this election comes Bush will f------g whack this s--t, man. He won't play this price-cap b------t."

Crude, but true.

"We will not take any action that makes California's problems worse and that's why I oppose price caps," said Mr. Bush on May 29, 2001.

They use the same lame arg for the economy and the debt/deficit..... I don;t see howthey can argue that since all objetive data establishes that under Clinton the economy grew huge, debt leveled off and he left w/a surplus for the 1st time in 40 years.

[Lucky... 0]

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the administration's apathy toward the shredding of the materials

I wonder if they used the same shredder that Hillary used.

Chris

If they did, would that make them less culpable?