Mexico and Latin America....Illegals

[maxmadmax 8]

Let's face the truth.

Mexico and Latin America cannot take care of their own populations.

These countries are corrupt and have a standard of living way that's just piss poor.

The US is a safety valve for these corrupt governments.

If we deported all of the illegals then the parent countries would implode very quickly! Revolutions...etc. I really don't care what goes on in those shitpot countries.

I don't blame the poor bastards for sneaking into "El Norte". For the most part they are a hard working and industrious people. Of course we have the criminal element to deal with! And school the kids.

Part of the problem is the huge underground economy in the US. I bet that it rivals the illicit drug trade.

What to do with them?

1. For every illegal in the US, tax the parent country a barrel of oil per day per head. (I wish)

2. Get 'em into the mainstream....sign 'em up, photograph & fingerprint'em. If we don't assimilate 'em then we are headed for disaster.

3. Seal the borders and get a grip on our borders. Any one remember 911?

It's our country and we don't owe any explanations to to ANY GOVERNMENT!

And here's a couple of items for Ted "Jabba the Hut" Kennedy to digest;

1. Can an American own property in Mexico?
2. Can an American own a business in Mexico?
3. Could we demonstrate in the streets of Mexico City for worker's rights?


Blue Skys,
Mad Max

Don't go away mad....just go away!

[christelsabine 1]

Super model Heidi Klum married in Mexico.

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[Richards 0]

So long as we have the richest country in the world right next to a third world country this problem will persist.

Perhaps Canada and the US can stop sending foreign aid to all these asian, middle eastern, african, and eastern european countries and amalgamate all that foreign aid into aid to Mexico. Given that Vincente Fox has taken significant steps to weed out corruption in Mexico and bring their economy around, it is possible that this coordinated effort all amalgamated into one country might actually make a difference as opposed to splitting it up so thinly amongst all poor countries that it cannot make any long term change in any of them.

In fairness Mexico is our neighbor, so why does all our aid go overseas. Charity should start near home.

So many of the countries that are taking aid from us because they apparently cannot afford to feed their own people can afford nuclear weapons, and are challenging our economy. Furthermore the countries we are pouring money into hate us for the most part.

If there was a North American effort to build Mexicos economy it is conceivable that someday their citizens will not need to sneak across the fence.

Just a thought but as long as the border seperates prosperity from abject poverty then you will have illegals sneaking across, and unethical employers who wish to use them.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[masterrig 1]

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So long as we have the richest country in the world right next to a third world country this problem will persist.

Perhaps Canada and the US can stop sending foreign aid to all these asian, middle eastern, african, and eastern european countries and amalgamate all that foreign aid into aid to Mexico. Given that Vincente Fox has taken significant steps to weed out corruption in Mexico and bring their economy around, it is possible that this coordinated effort all amalgamated into one country might actually make a difference as opposed to splitting it up so thinly amongst all poor countries that it cannot make any long term change in any of them.

In fairness Mexico is our neighbor, so why does all our aid go overseas. Charity should start near home.

So many of the countries that are taking aid from us because they apparently cannot afford to feed their own people can afford nuclear weapons, and are challenging our economy. Furthermore the countries we are pouring money into hate us for the most part.

If there was a North American effort to build Mexicos economy it is conceivable that someday their citizens will not need to sneak across the fence.

Just a thought but as long as the border seperates prosperity from abject poverty then you will have illegals sneaking across, and unethical employers who wish to use them.

Richards

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I think, we kinda' tried, by building auto plants in Mexico and other plants. Not to mention the produce we buy from Mexico. I think, that's o.k. BUT, Mexico 'expects' us to pick-up all their slack. We've basically ignored our Southwest border for so long that, it's gotten to the point of 'no return'. Now, the illegals from Mexico, Central America and South America have sizeable numbers in this country, to where it would be nigh onto impossible to gather them and send them back... and they know it. What gets me is, the majority of the folks protesting in our streets, over the up-coming immigration bill... are illegal! The illegals flaunt the fact in our faces and almost 'dare' us to do something about them.


Chuck

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They should schedule a protest at a local stadium and then lock the doors and screen every last one of them for legal status.

Then if anyone is found to be an illegal fingerprint and photo the perp and then deport them if they haven't been identified as a suspect in a criminal case by screening.

[billvon 3,120]

> What gets me is, the majority of the folks protesting in our
>streets, over the up-coming immigration bill... are illegal!

Well, some are. And I think they really do fear what the next guy says, which is:

"They should schedule a protest at a local stadium and then lock the doors and screen every last one of them for legal status."

Thus you see a lot of demonstrations happening at schools (since children of recent immigrants are more likely to be citizens.)

[masterrig 1]

Thus you see a lot of demonstrations happening at schools (since children of recent immigrants are more likely to be citizens.)

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Things like that have been tried in the past. Several years ago, the Border Patrol 'held' a seminar and a chance to win an exotic vacation directed at those of Mexican heritage. Agents wore flowerdy shirts and leis, really looking the part! They were able to apprehend several hundred. The FBI and DEA, have held simila 'functions' and mailed-out 'invitations' to wanted persons. The bait may have been trips to the Super Bowl or vacation trips to Hawaii or the like. Everyone is wise to that now.


Chuck

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I think, we kinda' tried, by building auto plants in Mexico and other plants. Not to mention the produce we buy from Mexico. I think, that's o.k. BUT, Mexico 'expects' us to pick-up all their slack. We've basically ignored our Southwest border for so long that, it's gotten to the point of 'no return'.

The problem with the manifestation of NAFTA is that it helped neither Mexicans or Americans the way it was inplemented. Open trade regions only work when there are similar economies. In the case of US/Mexico all it did was cost jobs to US workers and employ some Mexicans yet at a wage that is still near poverty. If there was a concerted effort to reconstruct the overall economy then firms would not simply see Mexico as a cheap source of labour. You would get a certain degree of specialization and it is quite possible that somewhere down the road immigration could be working two ways (way long away but attainable). Merely allowing plants to close down laying off Americans to go employ Mexicans for peanuts helps no-one.

I do agree that the Mexican politicians place too much of their obligations on the US.

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Now, the illegals from Mexico, Central America and South America have sizeable numbers in this country, to where it would be nigh onto impossible to gather them and send them back... and they know it. What gets me is, the majority of the folks protesting in our streets, over the up-coming immigration bill... are illegal! The illegals flaunt the fact in our faces and almost 'dare' us to do something about them.

Tail does seem to wag the dog these days. It is regrettable. We see a lot of that up here in Canada. We find that many immigrants opemly flaunt our laws and cry racist when Canadians speak up about the abuse. It simply requires people to have the couage to not be intimidated by the "R" word. If people continually allow themselves to bend over for fear of being falsely accused of racism then you will continue to see such abuses.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[masterrig 1]

Looks like 'Political Correctness' has spread! We are so afraid to hurt someone's feelings that we have had to forget our own feelings. I'm pretty tired of it. We have neglected our borders for so long and now, we are paying the price. Here in the town I live in, they are planning a 'super' highway through Mexico to ports on the Pacific. Well, DUH! That's like telling the illegals and drug runners; 'Hey! We built this sooper-dooper highway to make it easier for you!'
NAFTA hasn't done a bit of good here on our Southwest border.


Chuck

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All the talk about "poor Mexico" is just that - talk. As of 2005, their economy was ranked 12th in the world.

We need to close the borders and let Mexico solve it's own problems - come in legally or not at all!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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All the talk about "poor Mexico" is just that - talk. As of 2005, their economy was ranked 12th in the world.***


Can you please give me a link to that source. I am aware of the fact that they have a strong economy (which 5% of their population benefit from), but I can never seem to find the figures when the debate comes up.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

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[mnealtx 0]

Here ya go!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Richards 0]

Gracias.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[mnealtx 0]

De nada

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Richards 0]

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All the talk about "poor Mexico" is just that - talk. As of 2005, their economy was ranked 12th in the world.

We need to close the borders and let Mexico solve it's own problems - come in legally or not at all!

I agree somewhat. I think we simply need to impress upon the Mexican people that their own government is causing the widespread poverty, and then crack down on the border to put pressure on the Mexican Government to work to raise the standard of living. That said we could still help them to some extent. We stand to benefit from a higher standard of living in Mexico. Large corporations would find it hard to employ cheap Mexican labour (at the expense of Americans) if Mexicans could live in their own country at a reasonable standard of living.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[mnealtx 0]

Agreed.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[masterrig 1]

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All the talk about "poor Mexico" is just that - talk. As of 2005, their economy was ranked 12th in the world.

We need to close the borders and let Mexico solve it's own problems - come in legally or not at all!

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I couldn't agree more! I've been saying that, all along. Mexico needs to get of their collective dead asses and fix their country and quit waiting for us to 'fix' them. The same with Central America. Now, we're overrun with what Mexico doesn't want. The poor, the sick and the criminals.

edit to add: Just heard on our local news where, the illegals in this country want to hold a 'boycott' on May 1, 2006. All their kids are to stay home from school, none of the parents are to go to work on that day or shop or do anything. They are trying to show us how 'necessary and important' they are to our economy.
My thoughts are; let 'em! On May o2, 2006, they'd be out of a job!

Chuck

[masterrig 1]

Just a thought... I wonder, what would happen to any of us if, we were to sneak across the border INTO Mexico and make all the demands their 'illegals' make on us, make them learn English, drive with no liability insurance, and all the other things illegals pull in this country and see just what would happen!


Chuck

[Zep 0]

The answer to the Mexican problem is really quite eaisy,
Whilst Bush is still in power, Invade Mexico .
Make it another state. It's got Oil

Gone fishing

[billvon 3,120]

>The answer to the Mexican problem is really quite eaisy,
>Whilst Bush is still in power, Invade Mexico

Too much work, and not enough soldiers left.

My solution is a lot simpler - just move the border south a few meters a night. They won't notice until it's too late. I've always wanted waterfront property on the Gulf of California.

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>The answer to the Mexican problem is really quite eaisy,
>Whilst Bush is still in power, Invade Mexico

Too much work, and not enough soldiers left.

My solution is a lot simpler - just move the border south a few meters a night. They won't notice until it's too late. I've always wanted waterfront property on the Gulf of California.

Ironically enough, Congress eliminated a "window" to the Gulf of Calfornia, that was part of the original Gadsen Purchase.

"Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet."
-9 toes

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>The answer to the Mexican problem is really quite eaisy,
>Whilst Bush is still in power, Invade Mexico

Too much work, and not enough soldiers left.

My solution is a lot simpler - just move the border south a few meters a night. They won't notice until it's too late. I've always wanted waterfront property on the Gulf of California.

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What about the folks who live along the Rio Grande? How, are you going to move that without anyone noticing?


Chuck

[billvon 3,120]

>What about the folks who live along the Rio Grande? How, are
>you going to move that without anyone noticing?

We moved the entire Colorado River from Mexico to Los Angeles and no one noticed. (Well, actually they did, but we ignored em.)

[mnealtx 0]

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>The answer to the Mexican problem is really quite eaisy,
>Whilst Bush is still in power, Invade Mexico

Too much work, and not enough soldiers left.

My solution is a lot simpler - just move the border south a few meters a night. They won't notice until it's too late. I've always wanted waterfront property on the Gulf of California.

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What about the folks who live along the Rio Grande? How, are you going to move that without anyone noticing?


Chuck

As shallow as it is anymore, you could just about dig a deeper channel with your heel!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706