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U.S. Flag Banned Amid Racial Tensions

LONGMONT, Colo. (April 1) - Dozens of high school students protested a temporary school policy forbidding students from displaying the U.S. flag - as well as flags from other countries - amid racial tensions following immigration rallies.


Immigration Protests Around the Country



Skyline High School Principal Tom Stumpf said American flags were brazenly waved in the faces of Hispanic students and in one case a Mexican flag was thrown into the face of another student.

"When it involves the American flag and its abuse in vilifying other people, we simply will not tolerate it," Stumpf said. "They were using the symbol derisively as misguided patriotism."

Students were warned about the policy Friday and several were suspended, although Stumpf would not provide details. Then, about 100 students protested during lunch time.

Student Dustin Carlson told Denver station KCNC-TV that he was suspended for two days.

"I'm getting suspended for it and personally I think that's uncalled for," he said. "If this country means freedom, then why can't we fly our own flag? It's ridiculous."

Thousands of high school students Friday in California, Texas, Nevada and other states protested the tough immigration laws proposed in the House. Some waved Mexican flags and carried signs saying "We are not criminals."

On Monday, about 150 high school students, including some from Skyline, protested in Longmont.

"People are taking it to a whole other level," said Laura Avitia. "I don't think they know why we were protesting."***

hmmm, in the usa we cannot fly the flag..... or show any patriotic pride whatsoever apparently in colorado. And what the fuck is these morons carrying signs saying "we are not criminals"?.... if your here illegally, then yes... you are a criminal - dont like it....leave or be prosocuted... the bullshit kid gloves we are supposed to wear with these minorities who are here ILLEGALLY makes me sick.


I am fucking disgusted.
Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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Not allowed to show your flag eh! Best stand up to that nonsense ASAP or you will eventually not be allowed to show it anywhere. I am not being dramatic, beleive me.

Up here in Canuckistan there was a student in Edmonton who was told by his landlord to take down the Canadian flag in his window because "it might offend non-Canadians and immigrants".

The tail wags the dog much more effectively up here but that nonsense could very easily trickle down into the US if you are not vigilant, about your right to patriotism.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

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I'll be interested to hear the ACLU's perspective on this. They challenged the ban on displaying the confederate flag by students. I can see them challenging this as well if nobody beats them to it.

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I'm still waiting to hear someone give a good reason as to why anyone in their right mind thinks these "protestors" (read as: kids wanting to get out of school under the guise of having some kind of misguided principles) have any leg to stand on whatsoever.

Part of a debate or negotiation is to be clear about what you want. What is it that these anti-reform people want? Open borders? No enforcement? Amnesty? Nothing done any differently? What? As far as I can tell, someone said immigration and latino in the same sentence and all the "victims" get riled up.

I sincerely hope that our government has the balls to do what the majority of voting CITIZENS want done. Somehow I doubt it'll happen. Someone in some party will chicken out thinking that in 20 years some of these people will have votes and start pandering to them now.

Wonder if the "jus sanguinis" clause will get any amending too...

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I'm still waiting to hear someone give a good reason as to why anyone in their right mind thinks these "protestors" (read as: kids wanting to get out of school under the guise of having some kind of misguided principles) have any leg to stand on whatsoever.

Part of a debate or negotiation is to be clear about what you want. What is it that these anti-reform people want? Open borders? No enforcement? Amnesty? Nothing done any differently? What? As far as I can tell, someone said immigration and latino in the same sentence and all the "victims" get riled up.

I sincerely hope that our government has the balls to do what the majority of voting CITIZENS want done. Somehow I doubt it'll happen. Someone in some party will chicken out thinking that in 20 years some of these people will have votes and start pandering to them now.

Wonder if the "jus sanguinis" clause will get any amending too...

I'm surprised you aren't more upset about jus solis.

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...but it is still OK to burn our flag,,,right?

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Oops, you're right... it's jus soli that I'm concerned with. Let's amend away!

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Jus Soli - law of the soil - if you're born on our soil, you have US citizenship.

Jus Sanguinus - law of the blood - if your parents were citizens, so are you.

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Interesting how the attitudes of Americans towards immigrants seem to have shifted drastically over the last 103 years. The poem below comes to mind:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
-"The New Colossus"
Emma Lazarus, 1883

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Jus Soli - law of the soil - if you're born on our soil, you have US citizenship.

Jus Sanguinus - law of the blood - if your parents were citizens, so are you.

Yeah yeah... I got it already. I was typing between loads and not paying attention.

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Interesting how the attitudes of Americans towards immigrants seem to have shifted drastically over the last 103 years.

It is also interesting to see how the industrial face of the US has changed. There was a time when we needed every warm body to man our factories. Since we've sold most of our factories off to China, we no longer need all of the huddled masses.

However, if the hard workers want to come on over... let them apply legally and come on. What exactly IS the problem with a nation knowing who is coming and going, and enforcing their border protection through law?

Oh, hello again!

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There's no problem with a country knowing who's coming over its borders. However, right now, immigration is a lengthy and uncertain process. Saying "let them apply legally" doesn't always work in many situations. Someone who wants to immigrate is stuck entering a lottery that only takes 50K people per year, unless they have family here or specific categories of work already lined up, or have special talents:

Persons of extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics.

Outstanding professors and researchers with at least three years experience in teaching or research, who are recognized internationally.

Certain executives and managers who have been employed at least one of the three preceding years by the overseas affiliate, parent, subsidiary, or branch of the U.S. employer.

Professionals Holding Advanced Degrees, or Persons of Exceptional Ability in the Arts, Sciences, or Business.

Professionals holding an advanced degree (beyond a baccalaureate degree), or a baccalaureate degree and at least five years progressive experience in the profession

Persons with exceptional ability in the arts, sciences, or business. Exceptional ability means having a degree of expertise significantly above that ordinarily encountered within the field.

Skilled Workers, Professionals Holding Baccalaureate Degrees. Skilled workers are persons capable of performing a job requiring at least two years'' training or experience

Religious workers and members of the US armed forces

Employment Creation Investors: To qualify, an alien must invest between U.S. $500,000 and $1,000,000, depending on the employment rate in the geographical area, in a commercial enterprise in the United States which creates at least 10 new full-time jobs for U.S. citizens, permanent resident aliens, or other lawful immigrants, not including the investor and his or her family.



People from the countries listed below are not allowed to enter the lottery.

CANADA,
CHINA (mainland-born),
COLOMBIA,
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC,
EL SALVADOR,
HAITI,
INDIA,
JAMAICA,
MEXICO,
PAKISTAN,
PHILIPPINES,
POLAND,
RUSSIA,
SOUTH KOREA,
UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories,
VIETNAM


Most of our immigrants come from the above countries. If someone doesn't have a particular job skill or family here, they're screwed. They either come here illegally or not at all, and for many, the situation where they're at leaves them thinking they can't be any worse off. To curb illegal immigration we either need to make the immigration process simpler and accept more people legally, or we need to somehow fix the situation in the countries they're coming from, which may or may not be possible.

If we want them to apply and come here legally, we need to make applying and coming here legally possible, because keeping them out has proven to be not possible. We simply have too much border to secure, and most Americans would really resent getting asked "papers, please" everywhere they go and being arrested if they fail to produce the required documents. I'd rather have people here and documented than here and undocumented, and those are pretty much the only options we have.

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Jus Soli - law of the soil - if you're born on our soil, you have US citizenship.

Jus Sanguinus - law of the blood - if your parents were citizens, so are you.

Yeah yeah... I got it already. I was typing between loads and not paying attention.

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Interesting how the attitudes of Americans towards immigrants seem to have shifted drastically over the last 103 years.

It is also interesting to see how the industrial face of the US has changed. There was a time when we needed every warm body to man our factories. Since we've sold most of our factories off to China, we no longer need all of the huddled masses.

However, if the hard workers want to come on over... let them apply legally and come on. What exactly IS the problem with a nation knowing who is coming and going, and enforcing their border protection through law?

dosent work so well.....my buddy moved to mexico and opened a scuba shop ( still keeps his citizenship, returns every 6 months for a day ), married a mexican chica, has 2 kids with her and it took him over 4 years to finally let customs let her have a visa to just come visit here for a few weeks.customs had many many interviews with them, family members, kids, etc. they even had pictures of his kids on file that look exactly like him and he was still denied over and over again. in this case, i think he should have just snuck her here and been done with it.

btw, this wasnt recently, it was about 5 or 6 years ago.

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U.S. Flag Banned Amid Racial Tensions

LONGMONT, Colo. (April 1) - Dozens of high school students protested a temporary school policy forbidding students from displaying the U.S. flag - as well as flags from other countries - amid racial tensions following immigration rallies.

Skyline High School Principal Tom Stumpf said American flags were brazenly waved in the faces of Hispanic students and in one case a Mexican flag was thrown into the face of another student.


I am fucking disgusted.

Roy

May I then assume you would be disgusted about laws prohibiting someone from shouting "fire" or "bomb" in a crowded theater or airport?

The temporary ban seems to me to be an attempt to pre-empt violence under the principle of clear and present danger.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

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so you advocate suspending civil rights of american citizens?
bad idea....better get your jackboots on, fall in line, seig heil


May I then assume you would be disgusted about laws prohibiting someone from shouting "fire" or "bomb" in a crowded theater or airport?
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you can assume anything about my personal character that you wish..

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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so you advocate suspending civil rights of american citizens?
bad idea....better get your jackboots on, fall in line, seig heil


May I then assume you would be disgusted about laws prohibiting someone from shouting "fire" or "bomb" in a crowded theater or airport?
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you can assume anything about my personal character that you wish..

Roy

I neither commented nor assumed anything about your character. (I have a couple of ...er followers here that do that ). My comment was concerning 'Clear and Present Danger' and your views concerning it in general and whether or not it applies in this case.

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sorry... its late, I have insomnia.....getting cranky

Illegal immigrants are just that... here illegally, some are just hard working people that wish to have a better life.... some are ..... not.

I would try to explain my view a bit more, but I am very tired, and my thoughts are getting really jumbled up... and I am wearing out my backspace button....

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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so you advocate suspending civil rights of american citizens?
bad idea....better get your jackboots on, fall in line, seig heil


May I then assume you would be disgusted about laws prohibiting someone from shouting "fire" or "bomb" in a crowded theater or airport?

What? Are you actually suggesting that shouting "fire" in a crowded theater is equivalent to waving an American flag in our own country? There's something very wrong with the culture if that is true.

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Oops, you're right...!

It's been known to happen from time to time.

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There's no problem with a country knowing who's coming over its borders. However, right now, immigration is a lengthy and uncertain process. Saying "let them apply legally" doesn't always work in many situations. Someone who wants to immigrate is stuck entering a lottery that only takes 50K people per year, unless they have family here or specific categories of work already lined up, or have special talents:

That's why, in some form or another, a guest worker program is a good idea. My personal opinion is that after a few years of "guest-workering" and paying taxes and following the rules... people should be given a simpler way of becoming a permanent resident.

You mention preferring having people here and documented... well, how do you propose to do that if you think that we can't keep people out? Making illegals more... illegal WHILE making it easier for people to come and work temporarily is a good start. BUT, 2 things have to happen at once... more border security AND a viable work program.

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Persons with exceptional ability in the arts, sciences, or business. Exceptional ability means having a degree of expertise significantly above that ordinarily encountered within the field.

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Hey, that's how I got in! That and standing in line with my wife and small children at the INS office with 2,000 Mexicans for 6 hours. (I have nothing against Mexicans, that's just how it was at the INS).

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dosent work so well.....my buddy moved to mexico and opened a scuba shop ( still keeps his citizenship, returns every 6 months for a day ), married a mexican chica, has 2 kids with her and it took him over 4 years to finally let customs let her have a visa to just come visit here for a few weeks.customs had many many interviews with them, family members, kids, etc. they even had pictures of his kids on file that look exactly like him and he was still denied over and over again. in this case, i think he should have just snuck her here and been done with it.

btw, this wasnt recently, it was about 5 or 6 years ago.

I agree that the process NOW is crappy and too difficult for people who want to do it the right way. THAT is why reform is needed. Stricter rules for those sneaking in. Stricter rules for those hiring them. Better border control. Better application processes for "legitimate" immigrants. Better work visas for those who will play ball. All that stuff.

And I'm pretty sure your friend could have come back with the kids, no problem. Getting the Visa for the wife would be the only problem in our system nowadays. From what my friends in Mexico tell me... it sounds like they just got an embassy official who was a reall asshole. I know a bunch of Mexicans who have 10 year visitor visas to the US. All they had to do was prove that they had enough reason to go BACK to Mexico after their visit was done. These aren't really rich people either. Like I said... sounds like they were talking to a prick.

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Not allowed to show your flag eh! Best stand up to that nonsense ASAP or you will eventually not be allowed to show it anywhere. I am not being dramatic, beleive me.

Up here in Canuckistan there was a student in Edmonton who was told by his landlord to take down the Canadian flag in his window because "it might offend non-Canadians and immigrants".

The tail wags the dog much more effectively up here but that nonsense could very easily trickle down into the US if you are not vigilant, about your right to patriotism.

Richards

You know where the door/border is.....please feel free to use it!

SabreDave

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You know where the door/border is.....please feel free to use it!***

Nah. I would rather stay here and stand up to this BS that is going on because I beleive that Canada was a great country at at one time and I think it has potential to be that again.

You obviously disaprove of my views. Should I welcome the fact that up here we are always expected to accommodate special interest groups even when doing so happens at the expense of others? I hardly think criticizing a negative aspect of my country merits my being asked to leave. The fact that Canadians are expected to blindly accept the left wing agenda lest they be labelled " Un-Canadian" and told "You know where the door/border is.....please feel free to use it!" is exactly what I am talking about. There is a complete intolerance to views that do not submit blindly to the left wing's definition of Canada.

Sorry for not chanting the party line.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.