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councilman24 37
Never a good idea to admit illegal behavior on a public forum.
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Richards 0
QuoteI am yet another liberal that has no problem with CCW/ 2nd ammendment rights.
See my response to Racer 42 on that same argument. WRT my saying liberals don't like gun laws I was refering to liberal/democrat politicians. They are inherently more likely to expect people to let the state protect them than allow people to protect themselves.
I was really not attacking people with liberal values yet since you are the second person to take it that way I clearly must have come across that way. I am sorry if my comment was interpreted as an attack on liberal minded people
QuoteRichards & Steel should start a club together
What kind of club?
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
craddock 0
Richard,
I really think they are playing stupid.
If anyone really does not believe that the vast majority of Democratic polititions are anti-gun please make it be known. I can dig up plenty of voting records with Pro gun bills getting little to no democratic vote and anti gun bills getting a huge vote from the dems but little to none from the Rep.
Sure there are a few democrats that like guns. Hell even Kallend says he is not against guns. I believe Kallend to be very Anti-gun. He just supports the constitution so he will stick to that and not admit that he does not like guns.
I really think they are playing stupid.
If anyone really does not believe that the vast majority of Democratic polititions are anti-gun please make it be known. I can dig up plenty of voting records with Pro gun bills getting little to no democratic vote and anti gun bills getting a huge vote from the dems but little to none from the Rep.
Sure there are a few democrats that like guns. Hell even Kallend says he is not against guns. I believe Kallend to be very Anti-gun. He just supports the constitution so he will stick to that and not admit that he does not like guns.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
Shotgun 1
QuoteNever a good idea to admit illegal behavior on a public forum.
Sure it is... You just fill out your profile with the name and information of someone you don't like.
(Just kidding!)
JohnRich 4
QuoteNebraska and Kansas both passed CCW legislation out of both houses with the Governors word that he will sign the bills..
Kansas was a tough sell this year, but it got done. The House approved it, overwhelmingly. The Senate then also approved it, overwhelmingly. The Governor decided to veto it, citing concerns of the chiefs of police. (Remember that thread about how chiefs of police vastly support citizen gun ownership, and how the anti-gun folks cherry-pick a few anti-gun chiefs and try and use them to kill pro-gun legislation, as if they represent all cops?) The House and Senate then both voted with more than a two-thirds majority to override the Governor's veto.
So the Governor can go stick it in her ear. And I hope the citizens of Kansas vote her ass out of office for refusing to support the wishes of her citizenry and their representatives.
I think this makes 38 states now with "shall issue" concealed handgun carry. "Shall issue" means that if the citizen qualifies and jumps through all the hoops, then the State has to issue the license. There are no personal opinions allowed to decline to issue the permits.
And despite all these citizens running around with guns, crime is at its lowest levels in 25 years.
craddock 0
I believe the Nebraska bill is a bit watered down. It will need some work but it is a start.
Hopefully WI get Doyle voted out of office and they will then be the 39th shall issue with only Illinois with no form of CCW.
Hopefully WI get Doyle voted out of office and they will then be the 39th shall issue with only Illinois with no form of CCW.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
you know, me, personally - i would be more inclined to support your position if you had the mindset that firearms were neccessary for the individual to protect themselves *from the state* rather than from other individuals. (kind of the original idea, imho, some important folks had say, about 200+ yrs ago)
but that's just me. i'd say i trust my neighbor, a hell of a lot more than i trust any boy in blue or LEO. if i have a firearm its not to protect me from thugs, it's to protect me from the state. ironically enough, there may be some parallel's between that idea and what you're talking about - enabling the individual to protect themselves rather than relying on the government (imo, your argument shows an *inherent* distrust of the gov, which is perfectly fine with me)
not mine: because compulsory collection of taxes is de facto performed under threat of violence from a State, its subjects have the right to defend themselves from such extortion.
but that's just me. i'd say i trust my neighbor, a hell of a lot more than i trust any boy in blue or LEO. if i have a firearm its not to protect me from thugs, it's to protect me from the state. ironically enough, there may be some parallel's between that idea and what you're talking about - enabling the individual to protect themselves rather than relying on the government (imo, your argument shows an *inherent* distrust of the gov, which is perfectly fine with me)
not mine: because compulsory collection of taxes is de facto performed under threat of violence from a State, its subjects have the right to defend themselves from such extortion.
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There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner
Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell
Richards & Steel should start a club together.
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