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Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteshopping for cigarettes, or alcohol, or pornography. Because somebody is going to be
watching.
I think this above quote stood out the most for me. It seems if any of the above is considered something to hide, you might be lying to someone. None of these stuff are illegal. . .
But mostly, If someone is not breaking any laws they would not have any reasons to fear any of this. I know this is a cop-out retort answer to this line of questioning, but I feel it rings true. Personally, I like the idea because it seems to have an ability over the long run to save a lot of money on bureacratic paper shuffling. You can spot a crook faster and be able to convict them a lot more quicker; a lot less trials per case. It would save a lot of investigative man-hours. You can downsize certain offices and completely get rid of whole departments. More than likely, there will be no real-time monitoring (It would be totally unfeasable to hire hundreds of govt people to stand a 24 hour watch) but it all be recorded until a particular time-frame in a certain area needs reviewing.
QuoteBut mostly, If someone is not breaking any laws they would not have any reasons to fear any of this.
Come again.... would you like me to post many of the wrongful arrests where it took people sometimes years to get out of jail? When cops screw up, their buddies are there to keep the victim burried to protect the career of the so-called good cop.
QuoteI know this is a cop-out retort answer to this line of questioning, but I feel it rings true.
OK, I know it's mostly cold, but it's hot as hell.... Which are you saying? Cop out or true? I think it's a cop out to relegate to the thinking that only guilty people are stalked.
QuoteYou can spot a crook faster and be able to convict them a lot more quicker; a lot less trials per case.
Some truth, but if we killed teh 4th, allowed cops to kick in doors on will, then we would have less crime, in fact, very little crime. But we would have no privacy as well. There's a balance of privacy versus safety from crime; both extremes are scarry and we're leaning too far to the side of intrusion to prevent crime.
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteBut mostly, If someone is not breaking any laws they would not have any reasons to fear any of this...
Fine.
For all of you living in states with anti-sodomy laws, cameras are in the mail for wall-mounting in your sleeping rooms. Furthermore your food purchases are being logged, as muslims eat differently than the average American, and terrorists are predominantly muslim. Of course you are also required to have microphones in your home, so your conversations can be creened for subversive content, but you should not be afraid of this, because law-abiding citizens have nothing to hide...
Just teasing ya with the examples, but the argument remains valid. There are such things as privacy and freedom.
QuoteThere are such things as privacy and freedom.
Not here, we've traded them for intrusion and surveilance.
Lucky... 0
QuoteI beleive in privacy and freedom too. I beleive you have the same amount of privacy in public places now, with or without the cameras It's just that with the cameras, being "questioned by an cop on the street" is more efficient.
You have no expectation of privacy while in public, but where does teh harrassment of cameras enter the scene?
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteKnowing who purchases these sinful items would be important in a fascist theocracy
True. . .But it would have to be a fascist theoracracy.
I have complete confidence in those Third Party types and Civil Liberties groups to fight tooth and nail against any imbalance towards fascism
We already have a large fascist component in the US. And theocracy, we have shades of that too.
Lucky... 0
QuoteWasn't some company in the news recently for telling it's employees that they have to quite smoking or find a new job. I looked but could not come up with the story.
That has been done and protected by the courts, that is, the right not to hire those who smoke. Right or wrong, that is not an invasion in the governmental sense, perhaps the private sector sense.
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteSo your own Freedoms arent worth fighting for yourself? You want someone eles to do it for you? o I see...
I can't really fight for my own freedoms right now. Can only Q-Back politick right now till I get out. Politics does intrigue me. You might see me in some office in the future.
QuotePolitics does intrigue me.
Mkkkk.
QuoteYou might see me in some office in the future.
Perhaps not.
ROK 0
QuoteQuoteseems like they are overstepping a little to me, yeah?
Agreed. How do you stop them?
Everyone wears a George Orwell mask everytime they leave the house. That should fuck with their facial recognition program.
This actually appeals to me. If you really want to fuck with them though, we should all wear turbans! I wonder if they make em with Harley logos????
nanook 1
QuoteCome again.... would you like me to post many of the wrongful arrests where it took people sometimes years to get out of jail? When cops screw up, their buddies are there to keep the victim burried to protect the career of the so-called good cop.
true. But exeption to the rule doesnt change the rule. You are of course only going to hear bad stuff on the news.
QuoteYou have no expectation of privacy while in public, but where does teh harrassment of cameras enter the scene?
scenes checked out by cameras instead of, or supplementing, actual cops. same amount of intrusion; more efficient.
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"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln
Gawain 0
QuoteA few articles I read on the Internet the other day have convinced me otherwise.
First signal of a "red alert".
QuoteFor example... The New York City Police Department is in-stalling 505 surveillance cameras around the city - and pushing to safeguard lower Manhattan with a "ring of steel"
that could track hundreds of thousands of people and cars a day.
Five hundred and five cameras. And New York isn't even the first city to do this...but it is definitely the largest.
I've read little about this project, but understand this, there won't be any single individual monitoring anything. If a crime is reported at a certain time and place, it would be helpful to see if it was caught on tape. Remember the London Subway bombings of 7/7? It was the use of the tapes that helped them track the movements etc. Whose privacy was infringed?
QuoteInvasion of privacy, you say. Ha! If you're not doing any-thing wrong you don't have anything to worry about, do you? Just don't make any honest mistakes. Or be somewhere you're not supposed to be. Or engage in any behavior you don't want anybody to know about. Like shopping for cigarettes, or alcohol, or pornography. Because somebody is going to be watching.
No, no one is going to be watching.
I'm too tired to go on with the rest, only to say that the Kansas story has a couple "holes" in it...
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Does nobody see the irony in the fact that the situation leans more and more every day towards the feeling that it's
Us (the people) VS Them (the government)
Us (the people) VS Them (the government)
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
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QuoteDoes nobody see the irony in the fact that the situation leans more and more every day towards the feeling that it's
Us (the people) VS Them (the government)
The country changed when we discovered that being able to eat, support our families, and take a vacation once a year just wasn't quit enough to satisfy us.
This is the year 2006 and we want it all baby! The right to say anything without retribution (as long as it isn't about a subject that we personally consider to be politically incorrect). The right to say that we're being discriminated against (even if we don't have the same qualifications as everyone else). The right to burn the American flag (just because we hate America, even though we live here). The right to work and live in this country (even if we are doing it illegally). The right to be ashamed when one of our brothers or sisters waves the flag with passion.
The right to complain about the government, and then never do anything to change it. The right to be a sheep.
It isn't just us -vs- them, it's us-vs-us-vs-them-vs-us.
The country changed when we discovered that being able to eat, support our families, and take a vacation once a year just wasn't quit enough to satisfy us.
This is the year 2006 and we want it all baby! The right to say anything without retribution (as long as it isn't about a subject that we personally consider to be politically incorrect). The right to say that we're being discriminated against (even if we don't have the same qualifications as everyone else). The right to burn the American flag (just because we hate America, even though we live here). The right to work and live in this country (even if we are doing it illegally). The right to be ashamed when one of our brothers or sisters waves the flag with passion.
The right to complain about the government, and then never do anything to change it. The right to be a sheep.
It isn't just us -vs- them, it's us-vs-us-vs-them-vs-us.
This is the year 2006 and we want it all baby! The right to say anything without retribution (as long as it isn't about a subject that we personally consider to be politically incorrect). The right to say that we're being discriminated against (even if we don't have the same qualifications as everyone else). The right to burn the American flag (just because we hate America, even though we live here). The right to work and live in this country (even if we are doing it illegally). The right to be ashamed when one of our brothers or sisters waves the flag with passion.
The right to complain about the government, and then never do anything to change it. The right to be a sheep.
It isn't just us -vs- them, it's us-vs-us-vs-them-vs-us.
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All that, without accountability or responsibility! We, have 'freedom of speech'!
Chuck
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All that, without accountability or responsibility! We, have 'freedom of speech'!
Chuck
All that, without accountability or responsibility! We, have 'freedom of speech'!
Chuck
Unless that is, someone's feelings get hurt, or you say "coon", instead of "conda"...
wmw999 2,588
That's a really great rant. We not only want, it, we have a right to it because we worked hard.
Forgetting, of course, that nearly everything in this world is interdependent.
Wendy W.
Forgetting, of course, that nearly everything in this world is interdependent.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
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All that, without accountability or responsibility! We, have 'freedom of speech'!
Chuck
Unless that is, someone's feelings get hurt, or you say "coon", instead of "conda"...
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I don't think, those fellas who set-up this country had in mind, being able to say 'anything' without being accountable for the words that come out of our mouths. I don't think they intended for someone to tell the 'president to go fuck himself', just because someone dis-agreed with the president. I believe, the idea was for us to be 'responsible' in regard to our rights. I think, a lot of it has been 'twisted' to 'fit-in' with someone's agenda.
Chuck
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Forgetting, of course, that nearly everything in this world is interdependent.
Wendy W.
Wendy W.
This is actually one of the most profound statements I have read in SC.
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I can only speak for Scotland
Speed cameras are placed at notorious speeding spots and traffic in general slows down.
Of course after a while you get to know where they are and their effectiveness wanes, but in general I don't have an issue with them.
Suppression of freedom, not really, simplifying the issue of routine speeding tickets, yep.
He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
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