kallend 2,175 #1 March 24, 2006 In a news conference tody Bush said Rumsfeld is doing "a fine job". www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/23/opinion/edtorture.php Reminds me how Bush praised "Brownie" for "doing a heck of a job" in NOLA, right before Brown resigned.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #2 March 24, 2006 Who in their right mind would want that job? "Here you go. We have an incipient civil war in Iraq, public opinion is very much against the war, you'll be working for a man who won't listen to you, you're out of money, and people will blame you for everything bad that happens. Good luck!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 March 25, 2006 QuoteWho in their right mind would want that job? "Here you go. We have an incipient civil war in Iraq, public opinion is very much against the war, you'll be working for a man who won't listen to you, you're out of money, and people will blame you for everything bad that happens. Good luck!" You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Just today ABC reported that the violence is in 3, ya thats right 3 of the 18 provinces in Iraq. Got a civil war huh? ooooooooK The media has been on the days talking point of "kill the messenger". Yesterday they were all talking about the "towel snapper" Bush. I love it when the media tries to defend their leanings............... It is fun to see"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #4 March 25, 2006 >You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Some lefties who have talked about incipient civil war in Iraq: Army Maj. Gen. William L. Nash Vali Nasr (professor at the Naval Post Graduate School) Maj. Gen. Robert Scales The CIA Army Gen. George W. Casey (he's the commander of the non-indigenous Iraq military forces, damn lefty) Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi But what do they know, eh? You read the internet! No one's buying it, Rushmc. People are hearing "hey, the war's going great!" and seeing their friends and family come home missing limbs (or not coming home.) They see the White House say it's not a civil war, then say "OK, civil war was a risk but now we're past it." They see pro-war people blaming the media, then they hear our own military commanders expressing their worries over a civil war. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but (as polls are demonstrating) you can't fool em forever. Time to admit that mistakes were made and we are currently up shit's creek - and the guy with the paddle spends all his time blaming the media and playing politics instead of paddling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 March 25, 2006 The talk about "civil" war and whether or not it would actually break out are two things. The militias would be crushed by IA and CF at the onset of those types of hostilities, or they would let them destroy each other. The trouble areas that are "real" are not being reported by the press. There were no AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, or even Fox News reporters in the area of operation my unit was in, and we were in a really nasty spot.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #6 March 25, 2006 QuoteThe trouble areas that are "real" are not being reported by the press. There were no AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, or even Fox News reporters in the area of operation my unit was in, and we were in a really nasty spot. SHHHHH!!! What do you know? You've only been there! Sheesh! We need to listen to the "hotel room reporters" as to whether or not a civil war is breaking out, THEY know what's up! If people want to call the ongoing violence a "civil war" because it makes things sound worse... that's one thing... but it doesn't make it true. I'll listen to people like you, thanks. Heal up fast, and get to freeflying!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 March 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteWho in their right mind would want that job? "Here you go. We have an incipient civil war in Iraq, public opinion is very much against the war, you'll be working for a man who won't listen to you, you're out of money, and people will blame you for everything bad that happens. Good luck!" You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Just today ABC reported that the violence is in 3, ya thats right 3 of the 18 provinces in Iraq. Got a civil war huh? ooooooooK The media has been on the days talking point of "kill the messenger". Yesterday they were all talking about the "towel snapper" Bush. I love it when the media tries to defend their leanings............... It is fun to see Ans the media got together with the federal reserve and faked the 4 trillion dollar increase to the debt in a mere 5 years of Bush..... more to come, stay tuned.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 March 25, 2006 Quote>You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Some lefties who have talked about incipient civil war in Iraq: Army Maj. Gen. William L. Nash Vali Nasr (professor at the Naval Post Graduate School) Maj. Gen. Robert Scales The CIA Army Gen. George W. Casey (he's the commander of the non-indigenous Iraq military forces, damn lefty) Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi But what do they know, eh? You read the internet! No one's buying it, Rushmc. People are hearing "hey, the war's going great!" and seeing their friends and family come home missing limbs (or not coming home.) They see the White House say it's not a civil war, then say "OK, civil war was a risk but now we're past it." They see pro-war people blaming the media, then they hear our own military commanders expressing their worries over a civil war. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but (as polls are demonstrating) you can't fool em forever. Time to admit that mistakes were made and we are currently up shit's creek - and the guy with the paddle spends all his time blaming the media and playing politics instead of paddling. Let's hope Bush doesn't actually admit the obvious: the war is a failure. If Bush were to do that and pull out his points would significantly raise in the polls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 March 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe trouble areas that are "real" are not being reported by the press. There were no AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, or even Fox News reporters in the area of operation my unit was in, and we were in a really nasty spot. SHHHHH!!! What do you know? You've only been there! Sheesh! We need to listen to the "hotel room reporters" as to whether or not a civil war is breaking out, THEY know what's up! If people want to call the ongoing violence a "civil war" because it makes things sound worse... that's one thing... but it doesn't make it true. I'll listen to people like you, thanks. Heal up fast, and get to freeflying! QuoteWe need to listen to the "hotel room reporters" as to whether or not a civil war is breaking out, THEY know what's up! Many of those reporters are dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 March 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe trouble areas that are "real" are not being reported by the press. There were no AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, or even Fox News reporters in the area of operation my unit was in, and we were in a really nasty spot. SHHHHH!!! What do you know? You've only been there! Sheesh! We need to listen to the "hotel room reporters" as to whether or not a civil war is breaking out, THEY know what's up! If people want to call the ongoing violence a "civil war" because it makes things sound worse... that's one thing... but it doesn't make it true. I'll listen to people like you, thanks. Heal up fast, and get to freeflying! QuoteWe need to listen to the "hotel room reporters" as to whether or not a civil war is breaking out, THEY know what's up! Many of those reporters are dead. Maybe they wouldn't be if they had reported the truth from the beginning. If fact, maybe a lot of people wouldn't be dead. Al Qaeda id killing people because they know it gets them headlines. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 March 25, 2006 QuoteMany of those reporters are dead. Its up to about 80 dead reporters in this war....I guess that is one way to get rid of the liberal media Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkins121 0 #12 March 25, 2006 Rummy is a beast.. We are lucky to have someone with his experience as the Secretary of Defense.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 March 25, 2006 Quote We are lucky to have someone with his experience as the Secretary of Defense.. Experience at what???? From an article I read......http://hnn.us/articles/20014.html These were not little problems, according to Rumsfeld, but large ones which threatened to undermine the entire project. The United States, he wrote, “has committed billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of military and civilian personnel to Vietnam Iraq. Thousands of lives have been lost and additional heavy losses can be expected….Unless we can advance the economic, political, and social development of Vietnam Iraq, any military success will be limited and of little lasting value.” Rumsfeld clearly understood what the mission in Vietnam Iraq involved, and he decried “the almost total lack of success on the nonmilitary side of the effort. All could be wasted unless the political instability, religious and regional differences, and the severe economic difficulties are remedied.” Mismanagement.... wishful thinking? Lets see.. the generals tell him they need more troops... he retires them and gets someone who will yes man him.... But we will be welcomed as liberators???? He really believed that...... sheesh... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkins121 0 #14 March 25, 2006 You are right... He doesnt know shit.. He's only been at it 40 years. Hes just out to fuck everything up. Retard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #15 March 25, 2006 << violence is in 3, ya thats right 3 of the 18 provinces in Iraq. >> Using the same maths, I guess that the American civil war must have really been a neighbourhood squable . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 March 25, 2006 Quote>You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Some lefties who have talked about incipient civil war in Iraq: Army Maj. Gen. William L. Nash Vali Nasr (professor at the Naval Post Graduate School) Maj. Gen. Robert Scales The CIA Army Gen. George W. Casey (he's the commander of the non-indigenous Iraq military forces, damn lefty) Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi But what do they know, eh? You read the internet! No one's buying it, Rushmc. People are hearing "hey, the war's going great!" and seeing their friends and family come home missing limbs (or not coming home.) They see the White House say it's not a civil war, then say "OK, civil war was a risk but now we're past it." They see pro-war people blaming the media, then they hear our own military commanders expressing their worries over a civil war. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but (as polls are demonstrating) you can't fool em forever. Time to admit that mistakes were made and we are currently up shit's creek - and the guy with the paddle spends all his time blaming the media and playing politics instead of paddling. You are right! I am not buying what you (and the other Bush haters) are saying...... Yes mistakes were made and are still being made and will always be made in a war situation. Difference is, if a pres the left loves is running it (the war) the left will not be so destructive of a favorite son...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 March 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWho in their right mind would want that job? "Here you go. We have an incipient civil war in Iraq, public opinion is very much against the war, you'll be working for a man who won't listen to you, you're out of money, and people will blame you for everything bad that happens. Good luck!" You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Just today ABC reported that the violence is in 3, ya thats right 3 of the 18 provinces in Iraq. Got a civil war huh? ooooooooK The media has been on the days talking point of "kill the messenger". Yesterday they were all talking about the "towel snapper" Bush. I love it when the media tries to defend their leanings............... It is fun to see Ans the media got together with the federal reserve and faked the 4 trillion dollar increase to the debt in a mere 5 years of Bush..... more to come, stay tuned.. When you can't debate the point, change the topic"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #18 March 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWho in their right mind would want that job? "Here you go. We have an incipient civil war in Iraq, public opinion is very much against the war, you'll be working for a man who won't listen to you, you're out of money, and people will blame you for everything bad that happens. Good luck!" You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Just today ABC reported that the violence is in 3, ya thats right 3 of the 18 provinces in Iraq. Got a civil war huh? ooooooooK The media has been on the days talking point of "kill the messenger". Yesterday they were all talking about the "towel snapper" Bush. I love it when the media tries to defend their leanings............... It is fun to see Ans the media got together with the federal reserve and faked the 4 trillion dollar increase to the debt in a mere 5 years of Bush..... more to come, stay tuned.. When you can't debate the point, change the topic Same topic, the war is a major contributor to the deficit. Can't separate the two unless you are wearing blinders.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 March 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWho in their right mind would want that job? "Here you go. We have an incipient civil war in Iraq, public opinion is very much against the war, you'll be working for a man who won't listen to you, you're out of money, and people will blame you for everything bad that happens. Good luck!" You know this civil war lefty talking point is getting very old. Just today ABC reported that the violence is in 3, ya thats right 3 of the 18 provinces in Iraq. Got a civil war huh? ooooooooK The media has been on the days talking point of "kill the messenger". Yesterday they were all talking about the "towel snapper" Bush. I love it when the media tries to defend their leanings............... It is fun to see Ans the media got together with the federal reserve and faked the 4 trillion dollar increase to the debt in a mere 5 years of Bush..... more to come, stay tuned.. When you can't debate the point, change the topic Same topic, the war is a major contributor to the deficit. Can't separate the two unless you are wearing blinders. You love that tactic. Some one mades a point you can't work against........add something else to the mix to muddy the debate. Related? yes.....on point?...nice try"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #20 March 25, 2006 why do some people hit the quote button to put a few lines in response to a post, like you do? it makes the post you put in insanely long and you have to read the same thing like 20 times before getting to the real stuff. unless you skim and then run the risk of missing something worthwhile._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 March 25, 2006 Quotewhy do some people hit the quote button to put a few lines in response to a post, like you do? it makes the post you put in insanely long and you have to read the same thing like 20 times before getting to the real stuff. unless you skim and then run the risk of missing something worthwhile. I do it to keep the reply in context. If you have been part of the postings then the upper lines are easily skipped. If you are skimming the tread it helps keep the perspective. Not tying to drive you nuts..."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #22 March 26, 2006 not referring to you in particular, just in general terms as there are a lot of people who do it. i really like the way billvon does it with small sections and quotes. however, i do understand the keeping it in context thing, sometimes it is necessary, especially when the thread covers several days or weeks._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #23 March 26, 2006 QuoteYou are right... He doesnt know shit.. He's only been at it 40 years. Hes just out to fuck everything up. Retard. yup and he's doing a fine job of exactly thatso far.. you seem to ignore the fact he doenst have any real command experience.. and that he continues to ignore, belittle, deride and backstab those who do for publicly disagreeing with his political objectives in preference to military/cultural reality. 40 years of poorly developed, badly implemented politically motivated preconceptions is not a replacement for actual experience...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 March 26, 2006 QuoteYou are right... He doesnt know shit.. He's only been at it 40 years. Hes just out to fuck everything up. Retard. But those of you who support him no matter what kind of blunders he makes.....Yeah for such a BRILLIANT man I guess you need to make derisive statements like calling anyone who does not agree with your own little view of the world a RETARD.. GOD I love SC.....I wonder why Hawkins did not get banned...Mods??? care to elaborate??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 March 26, 2006 QuoteBut those of you who support him no matter what kind of blunders he makes.....Yeah for such a BRILLIANT man I guess you need to make derisive statements like calling anyone who does not agree with your own little view of the world a RETARD.. GOD I love SC.....I wonder why Hawkins did not get banned...Mods??? care to elaborate??? By my reading he was calling Donald Rumsfeld a "retard" in a sarcastic sense, as a rhetorical device.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
