Baby seal hunt starts tomorrow

[Steel 0]

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Steel isn't even using the popular stereotype.

This is the first time I've ever heard of pro-segregationists in the 60s being referred to as "liberals."

I really don't have time to play right now but since this is a quickie I will respond to it. My point was that I was calling people in the U.S. who follow the Democrat party in every turn it takes regardless of consequece "Liberals". Most of the time that word fits them. However, since we know it does not always fit them we can just call them nimwitts if you wish.
BTW. Lincoln was not a liberal by any means. The people that are often called "conservative" just tend to be more justice oriented.
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[Lindsey 0]

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I think you're confused. Conservatives, by definition, are those who hold to tradition and who most often oppose change. Liberals, on the other hand, by definition, tend to favor reform.

I think he's talking about not "liberals" but the Democratic party of today who take for granted the black vote and, therefore, is conservative, in that they don't want any change in the status quo.

???? I'm not following your thought processes here...

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[Amazon 7]

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I think you're confused. Conservatives, by definition, are those who hold to tradition and who most often oppose change. Liberals, on the other hand, by definition, tend to favor reform.

The old Democrats of the South were by no means liberal.

Ever hear of revisionism????


I remember the white flight of the conservative Dixiecrats of the 1960's... anyone care to guess what party they ended up in?????

[SpeedRacer 1]

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My point was that I was calling people in the U.S. who follow the Democrat party in every turn it takes regardless of consequece "Liberals".

except in the sixties SOME of the democrats were anti-segregation and SOME were pro segregation. The ones that were anti-segregation were the liberals.

Or we could just change the definition of liberal to "anyone who I politically disagree with". Why the hell not? Then under the heading of "liberal" we could include Al Quaeda, the Taliban, Communists, Kim Jong Il, and the Nazis.

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[Steel 0]

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Or we could just change the definition of liberal to "anyone who I politically disagree with". Why the hell not? Then under the heading of "liberal" we could include Al Quaeda, the Taliban, Communists, Kim Jong Il, and the Nazis.

No, I wouldn't include Al Queda or the Nazis, not sure about Kim Jong Il. But I definately would lump the Communists together with the Democrats, they do after all spew the same crap.
Still as I said we can change the word. You tell me what you want to call them. Or should I have just said lefties. Is that satisfactory for you.
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[billvon 3,080]

>What are we discussing? I like baby seal jerky.

We were discussing evil, vile baby seal murderers (alternatively, fun and rewarding baby seal harvests) when Mr. Steel took an amusing detour into "all things bad and liberal." I was enjoying his exposition concerning how clueless, hypocritical and anti-environment I am. Pull up a chair, and don't hog the popcorn.

Edited to add - apparently I am like a communist now! See what you're missing here?

[Remster 30]

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apparently I am like a communist now!

Soon, you'll be called a Canadian...

Remster

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Edited to add - apparently I am like a communist now! See what you're missing here?

Last time I checked there were only a couple Commie countries in the world left.. and I dont think liberal comes to mind when any one of them comes up in the news...

Must be all those chemicals.. or maybe the metabolized endorphins....

[billvon 3,080]

>Soon, you'll be called a Canadian...

Or (gulp) French!

[Andy9o8 2]

When you said you think people who shoot animals just to get pleasure out of it are assholes, and that you'd only hunt if forced to do so by starvation, that was an admirable position, and I meant it when I said it. Still do.

All that liberal/ conservative stuff - yeah, you and I will still disagree about that.

And I still think you're in love with Hillary.

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When you said you think people who shoot animals just to get pleasure out of it are assholes, and that you'd only hunt if forced to do so by starvation, that was an admirable position, and I meant it when I said it. Still do.

All that liberal/ conservative stuff - yeah, you and I will still disagree about that.

And I still think you're in love with Hillary.

Well thanks for the compliment.
And well as for the offense
GRRR
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[wmw999 2,548]

Interesting. Since I think that hunting for food is perfectly OK, and Steel thinks that hunting for food is only OK if one is starving, does that make hunting a liberal pastime? I'll have to go try that out at the ice house.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>What are we discussing? I like baby seal jerky.

We were discussing evil, vile baby seal murderers (alternatively, fun and rewarding baby seal harvests) when Mr. Steel took an amusing detour into "all things bad and liberal." I was enjoying his exposition concerning how clueless, hypocritical and anti-environment I am. Pull up a chair, and don't hog the popcorn.

Edited to add - apparently I am like a communist now! See what you're missing here?

You think that I just NOW associated you with that Communists. Ha Ha HA, you have got to be kidding me on that one. I have always associated you with the Communists. I guess you missed the many posts when I said Socialists/leftists/Communists that all mean the same to me.
Would I say you are hyprocritical? Hell yes
Anti-environmental? Nope didn't say that one. I see that went over your head. What I said was that your kind,(I won't call you a "Liberal" to avoid using the wrong term) does not concern themselves with animal rights. Instead you pretend to be the good guys by talking all that jive about the environment and preserving species. You champion your pretty forests while not caring that animals are suffering as long as they are reproducing fast enough to keep a pretty view for you. Unlike you, I don't spin, that is pretty much your exact stated position. But since you do, I can only imagine what you response will be to this one.
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I would much rather for these seals to become extinct so these stupid ass Canadians would not have have them to torture yearly

This just shows you really have no clue what you are talking about.

No wonder Nortel tanked. You wouldn't happen to work in the finance or accounting department would you?

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Interesting. Since I think that hunting for food is perfectly OK, and Steel thinks that hunting for food is only OK if one is starving, does that make hunting a liberal pastime? I'll have to go try that out at the ice house.

Wendy W.

That can start a totally different debate. However, lets be clear that the seals being killed are not being killed for food, but instead for their skins. They are typically left as naked carcasses.

As for hunters who hunt for food. I know quite a few of them, after all I do live in Texas. If they hunt animals that are meant to be eaten for food such as deer of feasant, I won't have much to say to them.

Still it puzzles my mind how somebody could look at a defenseless animal, shoot it and get pleasure out of it. In that sense, I will hold firm that people who hunt by choice and not by necessity are assholes. But so are people who support abortion and know what it entails and I don't necessarily shut them out.
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

***Still it puzzles my mind how somebody could look at a defenseless animal, shoot it and get pleasure out of it. In that sense, I will hold firm that people who hunt by choice and not by necessity are assholes. ***

So because you don't understand it, they are assholes?

If I don't understand you, by your logic, what would that make you?

[wmw999 2,548]

I agree that hunting purely for sport is tacky. If nothing else, if you just can't stomach the thought of whatever you shot (why shoot it?), then at least dress the carcass so that it can be processed, and donated to someone who is hungry.

My ex-husband used to really enjoy bowhunting javelina; however, he quit when we both decided that we didn't like eating it. Easy decision.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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***Still it puzzles my mind how somebody could look at a defenseless animal, shoot it and get pleasure out of it. In that sense, I will hold firm that people who hunt by choice and not by necessity are assholes. ***

So because you don't understand it, they are assholes?

If I don't understand you, by your logic, what would that make you?

Ok, lets follow your train of thought. Do you understand why Hitler believed that Germany would be better off getting rid of the Jews? Sure they owned alot of the banks but they were participating in the capitalist system, which was better Germany. It wasn't like they stole them.
Ok lets assume you don't understand why he thought exterminating them was the best course of action for Germany. Now since you don't understand it, can we say that you don't have the right to call him and asshole for it?
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[billvon 3,080]

>Ok, lets follow your train of thought. Do you understand why Hitler
>believed that Germany would be better off getting rid of the Jews?

Even better. Yes, it's just like Nazi Germany.

Google "Godwin's Law."

[wmw999 2,548]

Those touchy-feely "effective communication" classes really aren't just for wimps.

Intelligibility is not overrated.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>Ok, lets follow your train of thought. Do you understand why Hitler
>believed that Germany would be better off getting rid of the Jews?

Even better. Yes, it's just like Nazi Germany.

Google "Godwin's Law."

For somebody whose analgies NEVER parallel, its not surprising you can't get it when analgies do parallel.
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[Steel 0]

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Those touchy-feely "effective communication" classes really aren't just for wimps.

Intelligibility is not overrated.

Wendy W.

what are we talking about here? You need to be clearer, I have less than 15 minutes left and if you think I am going to go home and get on dz.com to argue through my friday night, then you are mistaken.
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Still it puzzles my mind how somebody could look at a defenseless animal, shoot it and get pleasure out of it. In that sense, I will hold firm that people who hunt by choice and not by necessity are assholes.

Let's put it this way: if you and I fundamentally agree with each other on something like this, you know it has to be right.
And everyone else is wrong.

[billvon 3,080]

>Intelligibility is not overrated.

>what are we talking about here? You need to be clearer . . . .

Thank you for turning what would ordinarily be a boring day at work into a slightly-less boring day watching this thread unfold. Have a good weekend.

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You need to be clearer,

Strangely, my sarscasm-meter isnt going off... But my irony-meter, its off the scale....

Remster