9-11 loose change

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Okay all you folks that believe the official version of 9-11. Refute this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

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SSDD

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yeah, but what do you do? do you just continue on saying oh well, as long as my little world is okay? Or do we demand change? Did you even watch the whole thing? I know I got to feeling sick about 1/2 way through, and wanted to turn away. Instead I just paused it and came back later. There is alot of info at the end that was new to me.

We all need to stop the petty quibbleing about the results of our beloved US Government being hijacked and twisted into a Authoritarian Empire, bent on world domination, and more how to make it a "We the people, by the people, for the people" government again instead of a "We the Corporations, By those bought by Corporations, to the benefit of Corporations" government.

[Kid_Icarus 0]

One Question: Tower 7

Any explanation. Put all other questions aside and ask why did that collapse. Not what offices were inside of it, not what evidence from other pending investigations were in it. Simply, why did it collapse?

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One Question: Tower 7

Any explanation. Put all other questions aside and ask why did that collapse. Not what offices were inside of it, not what evidence from other pending investigations were in it. Simply, why did it collapse?

I believe the official explaination is that debris from the collapsing towers ignited fires causing the collapse. I thought I saw the official reasons Bldg 7 covered in the video clip. They mentioned the offices in B7 destroyed really more as a feeder into the enormous information that was destroyed as a possible coverup for those agencies.

There certainly was no logical reason for B7 to collapse, since no plane hit it and fires don't cause steel bldgs to collapse. Yet it still collapsed, and if you watch video of it collapsing, it sure looks like a controlled demolition, just like the towers. I have heard speculation that the top floor of Bldg7 was where everything was detonated from (Mayor Guiliani's ops bunker), and its collapse was to cover that among other things like investigations into various corporations, etc.

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What,s so laughable about these dumb conspiracies is the incredible number of people who would have to be involved for all of this to happen.

Why would the govt. be involved in a conspiracy to destroy information about illegal financial transactions? Oh, I know, it's to cover up covert CIA activities.

[Kid_Icarus 0]

There's a straight fact that there is a minimum temperature for the metal in those builidings to melt, causing collapse. And in Bldg 7, since no plane hit it, hence no jet fule, simple office objects in the building, ie paper, chairs, desks, etc, can't cause a hot enough fire to melt those steel beams. Fact. Next.

http://www.corusconstruction.com/en/design_and_innovation/structural_design/fire/steelwork_fire_resistance/

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[cumplidor 0]

Why makes that so laughable or hard to believe?

Do you endorse a corrupt Federal Govt (or any level for that matter) out to protect certain 'well-connected' corporations??? or do you just not believe that our Govt is corrupt like that?

Do you endorse a government that created pre-emptive war policy, invading countries based on ANY reason, later determined to be valid or not?

Do you endorse a government that can now imprision ANYONE for any reason, without charge or trial, indefinetely????

And I disagree on how many would have to know. If mass media makes anyone who really questions the attacks look like an idiot or just flat ignores them, thus not informing the public of the questions that really do exist (if you simply open your mind, and forget about the right-wing this and left-wing that- those type statements originate from the mass media and actually keep us divided and unfocused), then that signifigantly reduces that number that would need to know.

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Why makes that so laughable or hard to believe?

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Do you endorse a corrupt Federal Govt (or any level for that matter) out to protect certain 'well-connected' corporations??? or do you just not believe that our Govt is corrupt like that?

I believe some people within a Govt. can and are corrupt. I do not believe everyone within our govt. is.

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Do you endorse a government that created pre-emptive war policy, invading countries based on ANY reason, later determined to be valid or not?

Not going into another long protracted debate on this. My position is pretty clear, though

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Do you endorse a government that can now imprision ANYONE for any reason, without charge or trial, indefinetely????

Please show where American Citizens, with no ties to terrorism, have been subjected to this.

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And I disagree on how many would have to know. If mass media makes anyone who really questions the attacks look like an idiot or just flat ignores them, thus not informing the public of the questions that really do exist (if you simply open your mind, and forget about the right-wing this and left-wing that- those type statements originate from the mass media and actually keep us divided and unfocused), then that signifigantly reduces that number that would need to know.

So lets see. The entire media is in on it. All the Ailines too, the airport in Cleveland who your Documentary (cough, cough) states Flight 93 landed, hundreds of Air Traffic Controllers, demolition experts to plant all those bombs in the WTC, the NYFD, etc, etc, etc.... And you wonder why the media ignores people who believe in this stuff and calls them idiots and morons?? I don't.

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"So lets see. The entire media is in on it. All the Ailines too, the airport in Cleveland who your Documentary (cough, cough) states Flight 93 landed, hundreds of Air Traffic Controllers, demolition experts to plant all those bombs in the WTC, the NYFD, etc, etc, etc.... And you wonder why the media ignores people who believe in this stuff and calls them idiots and morons?? I don't."


So let's see.... you want to believe airplanes crash, but leave no eivdence, no wings, no tails. And for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, 3, count em 3, steel buildings collapse because of fire, in addition, for the first time not one BUT 3 BLACK BOXES were failed to have been recovered. Just sounds like too many firsts.... oh and the first time a cellphone worked from 30,000 feet..... Someone should be buying a lot of beer for all those firsts...

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[Gravitymaster 0]

So what did happen to all three planes and all those people? Were they murdered by GWB and buried in mass grave?

Did they just change the tail numbers and keep flying them? You realize Boeing and the FAA would have to be involved in your little conspiracy for that to happen, don't you? Perhaps the people were taken to Area 51 and are being used for the Alien-Human Hybrid experiments they are carrying on there.

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Show me a wing at the pentagon and i'll show you little green men...

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[Michele 1]

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Perhaps the people were taken to Area 51 and are being used for the Alien-Human Hybrid experiments they are carrying on there.

Bingo! That's what happened. Or else they're living the high life on an undiscovered island. Or...they've been working on that Tessla time machine out in Montauk, so maybe they sent the missing far into the future.

Or maybe...9/11 happened. People - lots of people - died because of AQ and their evil. Maybe, just maybe, things happened the way we watched it happen....

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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Oh, and as for the claim about unusual stock trading:

"Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous."

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More proof:

The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11
Twin Towers — standing side by side, looks like the number 11
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11
But ....There's More.......
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union
New York City — 11 Letters
Afghanistan — 11 Letters
The Pentagon — 11 Letters
Ramzi Yousef — 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993)
Flight 11 — 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11
Flight 77 — 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11


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Edited to add. I just realized there are 11 letters in my name. Will I be the next victim?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

How exactly did WTC 7 fall though?

You come up with a lot of other questions and mockery, but not once have you answered that question.

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How exactly did WTC 7 fall though?

You come up with a lot of other questions and mockery, but not once have you answered that question.

I don't know and I don't care enough to find out. I'm debunking some of the claims made in the film, which BTW I did waste an hour and a half watching.

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Why would the govt. be involved in a conspiracy to destroy information about illegal financial transactions? Oh, I know, it's to cover up covert CIA activities.

Actually it was to create public support for an illegal war in the Middle East whose purpose was to secure petroleum resouces for US consumption in an era when access to cheap oil is increasing uncertain due to the peaking of conventional world oil production in the early 21st century. Wait a minute, I bet you thought there was plenty of oil left! Well that is not the case, in fact we have know for over 50 years that oil production would peak sometime around 2000-2010. Check out: http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/the-peak.html

The US economy can't grow without cheap oil, and the monetary system is based on constant growth, so it is therefore logical for the Bush administration to do whatever is necessary to maintain access to cheap oil, policy which America has embraced since the Carter Doctrine was announced. Your government is controlled by corporate interests at the moment, so candidates who refuse to comply with this initiative will be silenced until America's oil addiction is a thing of the past.

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I don't know and I don't care enough to find out. I'm debunking some of the claims made in the film, which BTW I did waste an hour and a half watching.

Then it could be that it was imploded for a specific reason?

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I don't know and I don't care enough to find out. I'm debunking some of the claims made in the film, which BTW I did waste an hour and a half watching.

Then it could be that it was imploded for a specific reason?

Here, happy now?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y

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[Gravitymaster 0]

I just paid $2.75 PG to fill up yesterday. Where is all this cheap oil we are supposed to be getting?

Oh, wait...add the Oil Companies to the conspiracy list.

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[MC208B 0]

Look...you guys are all wrong. Dick Cheney orchestrated 9/11 from his secret base on Jupiter. There were no planes, it was all an illusion created by George Lucas for the TV and David Copperfield on the ground. The actual cause of the towers collapse was a giant laser beam from "the moon" - which actually isn't a moon at all, it's a "death star" created in 1929 by Adolf Hitler. Our "trip to the moon" in 1969 wasn't a research mission, they were going there to rescue princess Leia and take control of the base. Which we did. And ever since then we've been testing its accuracy by burning pictures into corn fields to practice for the "big mission" which was 9/11.

Stole this off an aviation site thread about 9-11 conspiracies.......Seems as likely as the shit I just wasted an hour 20 watching

[tcnelson 1]

awesome...i love the whole one-sided, connect-the-dots research that they did to support their theory.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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I just paid $2.75 PG to fill up yesterday. Where is all this cheap oil we are supposed to be getting?

Oh, wait...add the Oil Companies to the conspiracy list.

Your sarcasm is closer to reality than you may think. Remember a few years ago when gasoline prices were below a buck? Well, a WalMart was going on when the large oil refineries sold gasoline at a loss to intentionally drive out the small oil refineries out of business, thus being able to buy thier assets cheaply, and mothball them, making certain supply is less than demand, thus creating higher profits. They did have enormous profits during the Katrina disaster didn't they?

Its a shame you spent more time ridiculing and putting down rather than discussing the issues with intelligence and open mindedness.

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Its a shame you spent more time ridiculing and putting down rather than discussing the issues with intelligence and open mindedness.

You're new around here aren't you?

Get used to it. ALL the Bush-Worshippers are experts in Intentionally Missing the Point.

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