Samurai136 0 #1 March 22, 2006 This certainly does not help the NRA... QuoteBATAVIA, Ohio (AP) - Irritated but calm, Charles Martin called 911 and told the dispatcher that he had finally done something about the neighbor boy - the one, Martin said into the phone, who had been harassing him for years. "I just killed a kid," Martin said, according to a recording of the Sunday afternoon call released by police in Union Township, near this city about 20 miles east of Cincinnati. Martin, 66, is charged with murdering 15-year-old Larry Mugrage, who lived next door to the house where Martin kept a meticulous front lawn with grass that he could sometimes be seen measuring to the inch. Police said crossing that lawn is what got Mugrage killed. Martin, who lived alone, told officers he'd had several disputes with neighbors about walking on his grass, but hadn't called police since 2003, Union Township police Lt. Scott Gaviglia said. In the 911 call, Martin, a retired Ford Motor Co. worker with no criminal record, told the dispatcher that Mugrage had been "making the other kids harass me and my place, tearing things up." "I shot him with a (word deleted) .410 shotgun twice," Martin told the dispatcher. "You shot him with a shotgun? Where is he?" the dispatcher asked. "He's laying in the yard," Martin said. Mugrage, who police said was hit in the chest, was pronounced dead at a hospital."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROK 0 #2 March 22, 2006 QuoteThis certainly does not help the NRA... _________________________________________________ No organization is immune to the occasional psycho. To my knowledge, the 410 gauge shotgun has never been a target by the "anti gunners" either. Now, if he would have used a handgun, we would truly have a reason to be outraged... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #3 March 22, 2006 What a worthless, small, and shallow sonofabitch that Martin fellow is. Disgusting. With regards to its impact on the NRA, I don't think it will be there. Fucktards such as Martin have existed for years and will continue to exist. The gun didn't kill the boy - Mr. Martin did. I feel sorry for the kid's parents. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #4 March 22, 2006 Before all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #5 March 22, 2006 QuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. I think it's bad that the kid was killed, but I too think there is far more to the story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #6 March 22, 2006 The NRA and this story?, hmm What curious connection......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #7 March 22, 2006 The man was protecting his property. Teenagers these days can be very violent and he obviously felt very frightened. Isn't this what the gun laws are for in the US? Isn't it to protect life and property? Sounds like the system is working exactly how it should. The boy was wanred multiple times not to tresspass, eventually he paid the price for it. Just the consequences of his actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #8 March 22, 2006 QuoteThe man was protecting his property. Teenagers these days can be very violent and he obviously felt very frightened. Isn't this what the gun laws are for in the US? Isn't it to protect life and property? Sounds like the system is working exactly how it should. The boy was wanred multiple times not to tresspass, eventually he paid the price for it. Just the consequences of his actions. No agrument from me. My comment was more toward bringing the NRA into the post. I do not see a connection."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #9 March 22, 2006 QuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #10 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. rl Kind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #11 March 22, 2006 I can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. Teenagers will often cause trouble - does that make it OK to kill them? Where do you draw the line? "They looked at me funny officer so I blew them away"; "She delivered me junk mail and it pissed me off so i shot her in the kneecaps" CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #12 March 22, 2006 QuoteKind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. After my experience with you here I remain open minded that your neighbor could tell a very sympathetic story. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #13 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. Teenagers will often cause trouble - does that make it OK to kill them? Where do you draw the line? "They looked at me funny officer so I blew them away"; "She delivered me junk mail and it pissed me off so i shot her in the kneecaps" Fucking insane. This is exactly the problem. Kids these days don't respect other people's property. When are they going to learn? At point do you have the right to stand up for yourself? Today he tramples over his grass after being warned not to. Tomorrow, he burns down the bushes, thinking it would be a funny joke. They need to learn, at some point in their lives, that you can't just go around bothering pther people. I guarantee every kid in that town will think twice before vandalizing anything ever again.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #14 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think hey, dekker, looks like you forgot the sarcasm icon again Guy's a nutcase (the shooter, not Dekker or Chris), likely, the 410 is to blame and an SUV down the street - talking to him with 'brainwaves' poor guy is just a victim of the US culture ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #15 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. I don't, but I also don't believe in the US's stance on guns. It has been mentioned here time and time again that guns are needed to protect life and property in the US. This case seems to be exactly that. A guy protecting his hard worked property after multiple warnings to an offender. Teenagers these days can be very violent, so an argument could be made that he feared for his life, or his property. In several states protecting your property is reason enough to shoot some one, or so I have been told on here. At this point I don't know if this happened in one of those states. In summary. I don't agree with it, but this seems what the system is designed to do. I personally don't understand anybody from the pro-gun side being upset about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #16 March 22, 2006 QuoteA man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. I'm surprised at you, RL. I didn't expect you to form fixed opinions of strangers after reading a sensational psuedo-article like this one. The one thing I know after reading this is that the journalist has an ax to grind and the editor encourages wild-eyed reporting. Who knows what led up to the event? This is a story that EASILY could be told either way: * "Measures his grass" could mean he spends 45 minutes daily on hands and knees with a clipboard and calipers. It could also mean his neighbor once saw him calibrating a the blade-height of new lawn mower (like you're supposed to) and exaggerated to the reporter (or the reporter exaggerated). * "disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his 'perfect' lawn" could mean he shakes his cheeks until foam flies whenever a puppy cuts across the corner or it could mean a pack of kids has made a group vendetta out of ritually pissing him off. No, I'm not taking his side in any part of the story. I'm IGNORANT and I admit it and so should everyone else. It's a shame when otherwise intelligent people read this kind of manipulative crap and let themselves believe it. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #17 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteKind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. After my experience with you here I remain open minded that your neighbor could tell a very sympathetic story. You would need to be prepared to be wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #18 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteA man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. I'm surprised at you, RL. I didn't expect you to form fixed opinions of strangers after reading a sensational psuedo-article like this one. We'll have to wait and see, LJ. I'm well aware that newspapers don't generally report the facts very accurately, but regardless of the words used or the slant, certain things jump out at me. I think this time, I'll stick by my bet on the state of this man's mental health. Just a feeling. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #19 March 22, 2006 QuoteJust a feeling. That's exactly what manipulative crap like this is supposed to leave you with. Same thing as political reporting. Crafted mass opinions and beliefs. It works really well too -- obviously. But I assumed you'd be more guarded and immune. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #20 March 22, 2006 http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-11,GGLJ:en&ncl=http://www.iol.co.za/index.php%3Fset_id%3D1%26click_id%3D22%26art_id%3Dqw1142977693294B223&hl=en This isn't political reporting (although I suppose some people will turn it into something political). A man shot a 15-year old boy who was outside his house. Not inside his house. Not on his front step. Not one time. On his lawn. Twice. If he's not mentally unstable, I'll eat your socks. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #21 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteKind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. After my experience with you here I remain open minded that your neighbor could tell a very sympathetic story. It may be that his neighbor can tell a very sympathetic story, but a threat to poison my dog would lead me straight to the telephone to call the police. If the animal is a nuisance, then there are ways to deal with it, none of which involve injuring an animal. People who shoot children and threaten their neighbors and their pets are kooks, IMO. But I'm glad we disagree on this, at least. I was beginning to think I was about to be assimilated. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #22 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. Teenagers will often cause trouble - does that make it OK to kill them? Where do you draw the line? "They looked at me funny officer so I blew them away"; "She delivered me junk mail and it pissed me off so i shot her in the kneecaps" Not enough info to make a solid assessment yet. If it was just that he was getting pissed off then he was wrong. That said a 66 year old man can be easily intimidated by a teenager, and if the teenager had been deliberatelly making a point of entering his property for the purposes of harrassing and intimidating him then the old guys actions may be mitigated. Most of us I presume are still young and fit enough that the average teenager cannot intimidate us, but at 66 you will in most cases be significantly depleted physically and therefore an easy target for bullies who take cruel pleasure at tormenting the weak. If you are subject to intimidation every day on your own propertyyou might eventually snap, in which case a jury may have sympathy on the man. Again this is all speculation and the guy may just be a contankerous old bastard who lost his temper. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #23 March 22, 2006 >Today he tramples over his grass after being warned not to. >Tomorrow, he burns down the bushes, thinking it would be a funny > joke. Exactly. And in 5 years he could burn down the house. Consider this pre-emptive justice. We need to kill kids like this in order to physically intimidate other kids, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rasmack 0 #24 March 22, 2006 Boy, you really are in good shape today. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #25 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. rl Kind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. But is he a law abiding citizen? No law against being nutty.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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TheAnvil 0 #3 March 22, 2006 What a worthless, small, and shallow sonofabitch that Martin fellow is. Disgusting. With regards to its impact on the NRA, I don't think it will be there. Fucktards such as Martin have existed for years and will continue to exist. The gun didn't kill the boy - Mr. Martin did. I feel sorry for the kid's parents. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #4 March 22, 2006 Before all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #5 March 22, 2006 QuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. I think it's bad that the kid was killed, but I too think there is far more to the story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 March 22, 2006 The NRA and this story?, hmm What curious connection......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 March 22, 2006 The man was protecting his property. Teenagers these days can be very violent and he obviously felt very frightened. Isn't this what the gun laws are for in the US? Isn't it to protect life and property? Sounds like the system is working exactly how it should. The boy was wanred multiple times not to tresspass, eventually he paid the price for it. Just the consequences of his actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 March 22, 2006 QuoteThe man was protecting his property. Teenagers these days can be very violent and he obviously felt very frightened. Isn't this what the gun laws are for in the US? Isn't it to protect life and property? Sounds like the system is working exactly how it should. The boy was wanred multiple times not to tresspass, eventually he paid the price for it. Just the consequences of his actions. No agrument from me. My comment was more toward bringing the NRA into the post. I do not see a connection."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #9 March 22, 2006 QuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #10 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. rl Kind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #11 March 22, 2006 I can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. Teenagers will often cause trouble - does that make it OK to kill them? Where do you draw the line? "They looked at me funny officer so I blew them away"; "She delivered me junk mail and it pissed me off so i shot her in the kneecaps" CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #12 March 22, 2006 QuoteKind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. After my experience with you here I remain open minded that your neighbor could tell a very sympathetic story. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #13 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. Teenagers will often cause trouble - does that make it OK to kill them? Where do you draw the line? "They looked at me funny officer so I blew them away"; "She delivered me junk mail and it pissed me off so i shot her in the kneecaps" Fucking insane. This is exactly the problem. Kids these days don't respect other people's property. When are they going to learn? At point do you have the right to stand up for yourself? Today he tramples over his grass after being warned not to. Tomorrow, he burns down the bushes, thinking it would be a funny joke. They need to learn, at some point in their lives, that you can't just go around bothering pther people. I guarantee every kid in that town will think twice before vandalizing anything ever again.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think hey, dekker, looks like you forgot the sarcasm icon again Guy's a nutcase (the shooter, not Dekker or Chris), likely, the 410 is to blame and an SUV down the street - talking to him with 'brainwaves' poor guy is just a victim of the US culture ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. I don't, but I also don't believe in the US's stance on guns. It has been mentioned here time and time again that guns are needed to protect life and property in the US. This case seems to be exactly that. A guy protecting his hard worked property after multiple warnings to an offender. Teenagers these days can be very violent, so an argument could be made that he feared for his life, or his property. In several states protecting your property is reason enough to shoot some one, or so I have been told on here. At this point I don't know if this happened in one of those states. In summary. I don't agree with it, but this seems what the system is designed to do. I personally don't understand anybody from the pro-gun side being upset about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #16 March 22, 2006 QuoteA man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. I'm surprised at you, RL. I didn't expect you to form fixed opinions of strangers after reading a sensational psuedo-article like this one. The one thing I know after reading this is that the journalist has an ax to grind and the editor encourages wild-eyed reporting. Who knows what led up to the event? This is a story that EASILY could be told either way: * "Measures his grass" could mean he spends 45 minutes daily on hands and knees with a clipboard and calipers. It could also mean his neighbor once saw him calibrating a the blade-height of new lawn mower (like you're supposed to) and exaggerated to the reporter (or the reporter exaggerated). * "disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his 'perfect' lawn" could mean he shakes his cheeks until foam flies whenever a puppy cuts across the corner or it could mean a pack of kids has made a group vendetta out of ritually pissing him off. No, I'm not taking his side in any part of the story. I'm IGNORANT and I admit it and so should everyone else. It's a shame when otherwise intelligent people read this kind of manipulative crap and let themselves believe it. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #17 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteKind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. After my experience with you here I remain open minded that your neighbor could tell a very sympathetic story. You would need to be prepared to be wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #18 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteA man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. I'm surprised at you, RL. I didn't expect you to form fixed opinions of strangers after reading a sensational psuedo-article like this one. We'll have to wait and see, LJ. I'm well aware that newspapers don't generally report the facts very accurately, but regardless of the words used or the slant, certain things jump out at me. I think this time, I'll stick by my bet on the state of this man's mental health. Just a feeling. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #19 March 22, 2006 QuoteJust a feeling. That's exactly what manipulative crap like this is supposed to leave you with. Same thing as political reporting. Crafted mass opinions and beliefs. It works really well too -- obviously. But I assumed you'd be more guarded and immune. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #20 March 22, 2006 http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-11,GGLJ:en&ncl=http://www.iol.co.za/index.php%3Fset_id%3D1%26click_id%3D22%26art_id%3Dqw1142977693294B223&hl=en This isn't political reporting (although I suppose some people will turn it into something political). A man shot a 15-year old boy who was outside his house. Not inside his house. Not on his front step. Not one time. On his lawn. Twice. If he's not mentally unstable, I'll eat your socks. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #21 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteKind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. After my experience with you here I remain open minded that your neighbor could tell a very sympathetic story. It may be that his neighbor can tell a very sympathetic story, but a threat to poison my dog would lead me straight to the telephone to call the police. If the animal is a nuisance, then there are ways to deal with it, none of which involve injuring an animal. People who shoot children and threaten their neighbors and their pets are kooks, IMO. But I'm glad we disagree on this, at least. I was beginning to think I was about to be assimilated. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #22 March 22, 2006 QuoteI can't believe you honestly think that murdering your 15 year old next door neighbour because they piss you is actually justifiable - it beggars belief. Teenagers will often cause trouble - does that make it OK to kill them? Where do you draw the line? "They looked at me funny officer so I blew them away"; "She delivered me junk mail and it pissed me off so i shot her in the kneecaps" Not enough info to make a solid assessment yet. If it was just that he was getting pissed off then he was wrong. That said a 66 year old man can be easily intimidated by a teenager, and if the teenager had been deliberatelly making a point of entering his property for the purposes of harrassing and intimidating him then the old guys actions may be mitigated. Most of us I presume are still young and fit enough that the average teenager cannot intimidate us, but at 66 you will in most cases be significantly depleted physically and therefore an easy target for bullies who take cruel pleasure at tormenting the weak. If you are subject to intimidation every day on your own propertyyou might eventually snap, in which case a jury may have sympathy on the man. Again this is all speculation and the guy may just be a contankerous old bastard who lost his temper. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #23 March 22, 2006 >Today he tramples over his grass after being warned not to. >Tomorrow, he burns down the bushes, thinking it would be a funny > joke. Exactly. And in 5 years he could burn down the house. Consider this pre-emptive justice. We need to kill kids like this in order to physically intimidate other kids, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #24 March 22, 2006 Boy, you really are in good shape today. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #25 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns. A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. rl Kind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog. But is he a law abiding citizen? No law against being nutty.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
