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Quote>Today he tramples over his grass after being warned not to.
>Tomorrow, he burns down the bushes, thinking it would be a funny
> joke.
Exactly. And in 5 years he could burn down the house. Consider this pre-emptive justice. We need to kill kids like this in order to physically intimidate other kids, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright criminals.
Right. I'm glad you understand. In actuality this isn't just about how to deal with kids. It's how we should deal with everybody.
I'm not saying that we should be agressive from the outset. We try to be civil, but at some point we need to stand up for ourselves.
For example, if we feel another another country is threatening us, we should ask them to stop. If we feel that they are continuing to threaten us, we need to make sure they know that they do not want to act on it.
Should we wait for them to attack us first, to destroy our lands, and kill our people?
Should we wait for the kids to damage our property that we have meticulously tended?
No.
They need to realize the repercussions of messing with us.
And the only way to do that is to preemptively strike.
After all, our lives, our property is much more important than that of our enemies.
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QuoteQuote>Today he tramples over his grass after being warned not to.
>Tomorrow, he burns down the bushes, thinking it would be a funny
> joke.
Exactly. And in 5 years he could burn down the house. Consider this pre-emptive justice. We need to kill kids like this in order to physically intimidate other kids, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright criminals.
Right. I'm glad you understand. In actuality this isn't just about how to deal with kids. It's how we should deal with everybody.
I'm not saying that we should be agressive from the outset. We try to be civil, but at some point we need to stand up for ourselves.
For example, if we feel another another country is threatening us, we should ask them to stop. If we feel that they are continuing to threaten us, we need to make sure they know that they do not want to act on it.
Should we wait for them to attack us first, to destroy our lands, and kill our people?
Should we wait for the kids to damage our property that we have meticulously tended?
No.
They need to realize the repercussions of messing with us.
And the only way to do that is to preemptively strike.
After all, our lives, our property is much more important than that of our enemies.
Well, if it makes us feel better.
Many people felt that Iraq was an actual threat. All the evidence shows that they were wrong. 2300 US boys are dead on account of those feelings.
Maybe a few undisputed facts would be better.
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QuoteA man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head.
He's a nut case. Wait and see.
This could also very easily read and be said by someone in the general public: "A man who jumps out of airplanes/off of cliffs and gets into disputes with the neighbors about jumping out of "perfectly good" airplanes or cliffs is strange in the head.
He's a nut case. Wait and see."
QuoteNot inside his house.
Not on his front step.
Not one time.
On his lawn.
Twice.
Depending on what the law is in that state, that may not be illegal. Texas is a good example of this. I think there is more to this story and probably a good deal of history between the man and the boy. I doubt the guy woke up one morning and decided to shoot the next person who walked into his yard on a whim. I'm curious to see how this plays out. If its not illegal in that state and he is justified, I suspect the most the man might get is a fine for discharging a firearm within city limits or some other minor fine.
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QuoteWhat he did wasnt right.....but theres always another side to the story
Killing three people for drinking beer and playing loud music just doesn't cut it with me.
There were more than a few times when I thought it would be very satisfying to push my drunken roommate down the stairs (it would've taken no more than a tap), but it was a thought that I would never put into action, even though I admit to moments of being driven nearly insane by the kinds of behavior I lived with.
There have been plenty of times in my life that I have wished certain people dead. They haven't had the grace to accomodate me, but I've never felt that it was up to me to make my dreams come true.
rl
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It should not help nor hurt the NRA. Why the hell is this any different from any other killing? Because the guy is old? Because he killed a tormentor for a likely unjustifiable reason?
I guess this murder is far worse than the hundreds of others that occur daily in carjackings, robberies, drive-by shootings, or any other criminally related killing.
I guess this guy is less sympathetic in your eyes than hundreds of other killers. Maybe he IS a member of the NRA. So what? Put him in jail like any other killer.
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I guess this murder is far worse than the hundreds of others that occur daily in carjackings, robberies, drive-by shootings, or any other criminally related killing.
I guess this guy is less sympathetic in your eyes than hundreds of other killers. Maybe he IS a member of the NRA. So what? Put him in jail like any other killer.
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QuoteThis could also very easily read and be said by someone in the general public: "A man who jumps out of airplanes/off of cliffs and gets into disputes with the neighbors about jumping out of "perfectly good" airplanes or cliffs is strange in the head.
He's a nut case. Wait and see."
I don't see your analogy as being comparable.
But about this case, we won't know the answer until the requisite mental evaluation is done on this guy, so I'm not going to argue it further without additional data.
But I will say that up until last week, I did an awful lot of work with older people, and my take is that control freaks generally get weirder as they age. It is not unusual for them to become totally obsessive and paranoid.
rl
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kallend 2,150
QuoteIt should not help nor hurt the NRA. Why the hell is this any different from any other killing? Because the guy is old? Because he killed a tormentor for a likely unjustifiable reason?
I guess this murder is far worse than the hundreds of others that occur daily in carjackings, robberies, drive-by shootings, or any other criminally related killing.
I guess this guy is less sympathetic in your eyes than hundreds of other killers. Maybe he IS a member of the NRA. So what? Put him in jail like any other killer.
I certainly can't help the NRA. Assuming he was previously a law abiding citizen with a legally owned gun, it hurts that aspect of the gun lobby's position (that law abiding citizens with guns are not a menace).
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RhondaLea.....you missed my point. This was an old man......all alone.....and this group of young people had a long history of harrassing him. They finally surpassed the limit of his patience.
Of course it was wrong.......but in his position, aging, watching his once nice neighborhood degrade, afraid to come out into his yard....all this stuff added up for this man.
It may have been much the same for the guy the thread is about.
Bottom line......we all have limits. If you had reached yours....the drunked roomate would have taken a header down the stairs.
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Of course it was wrong.......but in his position, aging, watching his once nice neighborhood degrade, afraid to come out into his yard....all this stuff added up for this man.
It may have been much the same for the guy the thread is about.
Bottom line......we all have limits. If you had reached yours....the drunked roomate would have taken a header down the stairs.
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QuoteRhondaLea.....you missed my point. This was an old man......all alone.....and this group of young people had a long history of harrassing him. They finally surpassed the limit of his patience.
Of course it was wrong.......but in his position, aging, watching his once nice neighborhood degrade, afraid to come out into his yard....all this stuff added up for this man.
It may have been much the same for the guy the thread is about.
Bottom line......we all have limits. If you had reached yours....the drunked roomate would have taken a header down the stairs.
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Blaming the victim?
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QuoteBottom line......we all have limits. If you had reached yours....the drunked roomate would have taken a header down the stairs.
I reached my limit, and I moved out.
Some people have a shorter fuse and a greater sense of entitlement.
rl
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QuoteI don't see your analogy as being comparable.
You're declaring that the guy is a "nut case" based on his actions and in his caring for his lawn in a news report. The same could easily be said about skydivers/BASE jumpers by a lay person in the general public reading about an incident related to skydiving/BASE jumping . I am not comparing what he did to anything, only your reason for labeling him a nut case.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteBefore all you anti-gun liberals get your panties in a bind, there's got to be another side to the story. I don't think the man would have just one out and shot the kid over a piece of grass. There has to be more to the story. The kid was probably harassing the guy and about to cause him a heart attack. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. I guarantee this story was written by some liberal reporter who hates guns.
A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head.
He's a nut case. Wait and see.
rl
Kind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog.
That reminds me of someone I know who got her horses poisoned by neighbors. It really puzzles me how she knows who did it and yet her next door neighbors still have functional unsmashed windows. Luckily I have good neighbors who would never hurt my dogs. But if I was in your position, I would ask that guy what he preferred to put up with my dogs or to have every window smashed or his house turned on fire. Because I wouldn't hesitate to do either.
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billvon 3,120
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>Right. I'm glad you understand. In actuality this isn't just about how
>to deal with kids. It's how we should deal with everybody.
Edited to - never mind, I missed your point the first time I read it!
>to deal with kids. It's how we should deal with everybody.
Edited to - never mind, I missed your point the first time I read it!
QuoteQuoteI don't see your analogy as being comparable.
You're declaring that the guy is a "nut case" based on his actions and in his caring for his lawn in a news report. The same could easily be said about skydivers/BASE jumpers by a lay person in the general public reading about an incident related to skydiving/BASE jumping . I am not comparing what he did to anything, only your reason for labeling him a nut case.
There's no harm in being a nut case, generally. If the man wants to obsess about his lawn, it's fine.
When he shoots and kills a 15-year old boy for walking on said lawn, his obsession has become pathological, and he is a danger to others.
If a skydiver presents a danger to others related to skydiving, then those others have an argument, but most of the time, skydivers do not pose a danger to anyone but themselves.
I understand what you're trying to say, but my reason for labeling him a nut case relates to my experiences in dealing with control freaks and the elderly, along with a random read of some of the additional articles (google gave me 219 from which to choose) about this incident. (More than a few of these articles characterized the dead boy as "a good kid" not as a "neighbor harasser.")
IMO, behaving outside the norm does not make a person crazy. Shooting someone for walking on your lawn, however, is a pretty good indicator that you are not thinking clearly.
rl
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QuoteI need to use smileys or something more often.
Yes, you do. In fact, it would be funny if you over-used smileys for a day just to freak everyone out.
But seriously, sometimes emoticons are helpful...
(Whoa, this thing automatically made a hyperlink when I typed "icon"!)
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Kind of reminds me of my neighbor, who is nearly as nutty and has threatened to poison my dog.
But is he a law abiding citizen? No law against being nutty.
death threats probably stretch across the law abiding line.
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Quotedeath threats probably stretch across the law abiding line.
Why signs reading "trespassers will be shot" are not illegal?
Quote>Right. I'm glad you understand. In actuality this isn't just about how
>to deal with kids. It's how we should deal with everybody.
Did you just take that seriously? I need to use smileys or something more often. You really think we need to kill kids that walk on the grass to 'teach' other kids a lesson? If it was your kid who was killed would you feel the same way?
And you really think that should be a model as to how to act towards the rest of the world? Man, no wonder so many people think we're turning into an evil empire.
Unless I miss my guess, our friend "unformed" began this thread with misunderstood irony and is continuing to egg everyone on just because it's an interesting study.
But I could be wrong.
rl
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Depending on what the law is in that state, that may not be illegal. Texas is a good example of this. I think there is more to this story and probably a good deal of history between the man and the boy. I doubt the guy woke up one morning and decided to shoot the next person who walked into his yard on a whim. I'm curious to see how this plays out. If its not illegal in that state and he is justified, I suspect the most the man might get is a fine for discharging a firearm within city limits or some other minor fine.
Uh, shooting a guy TWICE is going to get more than a firearm discharge conviction. Unless we think the reporter distorted the remarks on the 911 call, it's a stretch to see any threat posed by trespassing (if it can even be called so) on the lawn.
Had he just fired a shot at the ground near the boy, I could see that being the outcome. Or even an outright dismissal if there is more to the story. But that's not what he did.
In Texas, might even execute the guy.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat he did wasnt right.....but theres always another side to the story
Killing three people for drinking beer and playing loud music just doesn't cut it with me.
It was more than just loud music. There had been a pattern of harrasment. Parking deliberately in front of a guys house with the intention bothering him in his home is a deliberate attempt at intimidation. It is regrettable that people died but thugs need to learn they cannot stalk and terrorize people for their own amusement indefinately without eventually causing a violent response. It is fine to say that harrasment/stalking is illegal but it is so hard to prove. Furthermore having dealt with stalking and harrassing/intimidating behavior I can say from experience that the cops will take your report, file it and do nothing untill after something happens to you or the stalker. This man may very well have been at his wits end. It is one thing for a thug to intimidate and harrass me when I go to a bar because I can always find another bar. If a man is constantly feeling threatened and harrassed in his own home he has no repreive and will eventually snap.
RichardsMy biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
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Unless I miss my guess, our friend "unformed" began this thread with misunderstood irony and is continuing to egg everyone on just because it's an interesting study.
But I could be wrong.
rl
It has been quite amusing.
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billvon 3,120
D'oh! I did indeed miss that. My bad.
Sadly it's almost impossible to tell the people mocking this from the people who are serious about this.
Sadly it's almost impossible to tell the people mocking this from the people who are serious about this.
As it turned out, he was a WWII combat vet that had seen a bunch of action......he lived in an older part of Vegas and had lived there since he came home from the war.
Making a long story short......as in a lot of older neighborhoods a bad elelment had moved in.
The next door neighbors were a hispanic family that were not an asset to the area. They and the old guy did not get along and the teenage sons harrassed him terribly. One afternoon they were parked in front of his house drinking beer and playing the music extremely loud.......he had had enough.
He killed all three boys with a 12 guage.
I'm sure he has passed away by now but he got life in prison.
What he did wasnt right.....but theres always another side to the story
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