The lie of the 'liberal media'

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Cassandra.

I wonder how many people know what this refers to....

Eugene

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

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Cassandra.

I wonder how many people know what this refers to....

Eugene

Two.

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Cassandra.

I wonder how many people know what this refers to....

Eugene

Two.

"Have I missed the mark, or, like true archer, do I strike my quarry? Or am I prophet of lies, a babbler from door to door?" [Cassandra. Aeschylus, Agamemnon 1194]

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I wonder how many people know what this refers to....

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"A fake fortune teller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved." -- Lazarus Long

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You two are using stupid analogies. We're talking about the media predicting what happens, not archers or fortune tellers!

[Andy9o8 2]

It's Kallend's fault. He started the Cassandra thing.

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We're talking about the media predicting what happens, not archers or fortune tellers!

What's the difference between the media predicting what happens a a fortune teller? The story of cassandra is somewhat related.

Eugene

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

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The real issue of the war (and by this I mean the larger war against radical Islam) is the American peoples' will to see it through.

this is really interesting to me...

first, the war, imho, was a reaction to 9/11
then, the focus was WMD, and a war to remove WMD from the hands of a 'mad dictator'

when times started to change, the focus switched from WMD to spreading the rule law, and expanding democracy. allowing freedom to flourish, etc etc.

now we're still on that focus, but we seem to have switched to exactly what CDRINF is talking about - a war on radical islam and the terrorism that tends to go along hand-in-hand.

it's no longer a war in iraq, it's a "war on terrorism".

sadly, i know in my heart that this war will end up the same as the war on drugs. it will go on indefinitely, with no winners to speak of, only money spent and valuable time wasted.

to all the feet on the street, i wish you luck and i hope you return safely. your desire to sacrifice for god and country is outstanding, but i am ashamed of the direction and leadership this commander in chief has provided you thus far. you deserve better.

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You two are using stupid analogies. We're talking about the media predicting what happens, not archers or fortune tellers!

Cassandra was blessed with the gift of seeing the future, but Apollo placed a curse on her so that no one would ever believe her predictions.

A pretty good analogy, I thought, for SC in early 2003.

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( Hope you don't mind if I form my opinions based on information
>from those who have actually been to Iraq and seen what's going on first
> hand, as opposed to what others read in the morning newspapers and
>internet blogs.

And so you posted something you read on the net to prove your point. Perfect. )


I have been to both Iraq and Afghanastan and was glad to read the two posts about the media being one sided. He may have read it on the net but I agree with it completly becouse I have seen how much is left out or twisted by the media. Anyone I have ever worked with would tell you the same thing. With multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanstan its become pretty obvious that the media is onesided or at least leaves a lot of things out.
From what I see;
Things are not nearly as bad as the media protrays. yes there is still a lot of work to be done I know of several places and even have pictures were we can sit down at a restraunt eat a meal and not have to worry about security, bodyarmor and possible attacks. Ive been on patrols and have been offered food, cold drinks, and general hospitality. I have even been invited to wedings. Ive also been to other places were as soon as we show up everyone closes shop becouse they know a fights soon to break out. Most places are generally stable but there are exceptions and it will take a lot of time, and a strong effort by the Iraqis themselves before the country can truly be considered stable. In my work I have just as much if not more interaction with the locals and Iraqi army than with the regular US army, I generally recive a positve vibe torwards Americans from them. Just my two cents.

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( Hope you don't mind if I form my opinions based on information
>from those who have actually been to Iraq and seen what's going on first
> hand, as opposed to what others read in the morning newspapers and
>internet blogs.

And so you posted something you read on the net to prove your point. Perfect. )


I have been to both Iraq and Afghanastan and was glad to read the two posts about the media being one sided. He may have read it on the net but I agree with it completly becouse I have seen how much is left out or twisted by the media. Anyone I have ever worked with would tell you the same thing. With multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanstan its become pretty obvious that the media is onesided or at least leaves a lot of things out.
From what I see;
Things are not nearly as bad as the media protrays. yes there is still a lot of work to be done I know of several places and even have pictures were we can sit down at a restraunt eat a meal and not have to worry about security, bodyarmor and possible attacks. Ive been on patrols and have been offered food, cold drinks, and general hospitality. I have even been invited to wedings. Ive also been to other places were as soon as we show up everyone closes shop becouse they know a fights soon to break out. Most places are generally stable but there are exceptions and it will take a lot of time, and a strong effort by the Iraqis themselves before the country can truly be considered stable. In my work I have just as much if not more interaction with the locals and Iraqi army than with the regular US army, I generally recive a positve vibe torwards Americans from them. Just my two cents.

It doesn't matter what you say, they have made up their minds and nothing is going to ever change them. Even when confronted with the reality that much of the news they read isn't gathered by reporters, it's gathered by stringers who know the reporters want sensationalized stories. These are the stories the Newspaper Generals love to read so they can act like they know something at parties and internet chat rooms. It's kewl to hate Bush in their circles.

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( Hope you don't mind if I form my opinions based on information
>from those who have actually been to Iraq and seen what's going on first
> hand, as opposed to what others read in the morning newspapers and
>internet blogs.

And so you posted something you read on the net to prove your point. Perfect. )


I have been to both Iraq and Afghanastan and was glad to read the two posts about the media being one sided. He may have read it on the net but I agree with it completly becouse I have seen how much is left out or twisted by the media. Anyone I have ever worked with would tell you the same thing. With multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanstan its become pretty obvious that the media is onesided or at least leaves a lot of things out.
From what I see;
Things are not nearly as bad as the media protrays. yes there is still a lot of work to be done I know of several places and even have pictures were we can sit down at a restraunt eat a meal and not have to worry about security, bodyarmor and possible attacks. Ive been on patrols and have been offered food, cold drinks, and general hospitality. I have even been invited to wedings. Ive also been to other places were as soon as we show up everyone closes shop becouse they know a fights soon to break out. Most places are generally stable but there are exceptions and it will take a lot of time, and a strong effort by the Iraqis themselves before the country can truly be considered stable. In my work I have just as much if not more interaction with the locals and Iraqi army than with the regular US army, I generally recive a positve vibe torwards Americans from them. Just my two cents.

It doesn't matter what you say, they have made up their minds and nothing is going to ever change them. Even when confronted with the reality that much of the news they read isn't gathered by reporters, it's gathered by stringers who know the reporters want sensationalized stories. These are the stories the Newspaper Generals love to read so they can act like they know something at parties and internet chat rooms. It's kewl to hate Bush in their circles.

Let's see, the US is "A nation at war" (recent GWB speech), and we lose on average 3 people daily in this war. Iraq is NOT having a civil war and is losing 50 people daily in this non-war.

Got it.

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Let's see, the US is "A nation at war" (recent GWB speech), and we lose on average 3 people daily in this war.

We are only losing 1 per day, not 3. Thanks for proving my point.

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Let's see, the US is "A nation at war" (recent GWB speech), and we lose on average 3 people daily in this war.

We are only losing 1 per day, not 3. Thanks for proving my point.

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2500 over 3 years is one a day? You learned math where?
Regardless, you made MY point even better.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188526,00.html Everything in Iraq is lovely, FOX says so.

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Let's see, the US is "A nation at war" (recent GWB speech), and we lose on average 3 people daily in this war.

We are only losing 1 per day, not 3. Thanks for proving my point.

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2500 over 3 years is one a day? You learned math where?
Regardless, you made MY point even better.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188526,00.html Everything in Iraq is lovely, FOX says so.

So is it your contention that Iraq has been in Civil War for 3 years? I thought the lefties first started this myth last month when the Mosque was blown up. See if you can add up how many US Soldiers have been killed since the start of the "Civil War." And while you are at it, please give your definition of "Civil War" so I'll know where you draw the line.

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Let's see, the US is "A nation at war" (recent GWB speech), and we lose on average 3 people daily in this war.

We are only losing 1 per day, not 3. Thanks for proving my point.

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2500 over 3 years is one a day? You learned math where?
Regardless, you made MY point even better.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188526,00.html Everything in Iraq is lovely, FOX says so.

So is it your contention that Iraq has been in Civil War for 3 years? I thought the lefties first started this myth last month when the Mosque was blown up. See if you can add up how many US Soldiers have been killed since the start of the "Civil War." And while you are at it, please give your definition of "Civil War" so I'll know where you draw the line.

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You have comprehension problems today? The US has been "at war" according to GWB for a different length of time than anyone has been claiming Iraq has a civil war.

If we can be "A nation at war" (according to Bush) with that as the excuse for warrantless spying, airspace restrictions, HSA, TSA, etc., when losing 3 a day on average during our war, why deny Iraq has a nascent civil war when it's losing 50 a day due to internal fighting?

You and Bush just want it both ways, for the US to be a in a state of war and Iraq at peace. It ain't like that.

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Let's see, the US is "A nation at war" (recent GWB speech), and we lose on average 3 people daily in this war.

We are only losing 1 per day, not 3. Thanks for proving my point.

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2500 over 3 years is one a day? You learned math where?
Regardless, you made MY point even better.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188526,00.html Everything in Iraq is lovely, FOX says so.

So is it your contention that Iraq has been in Civil War for 3 years? I thought the lefties first started this myth last month when the Mosque was blown up. See if you can add up how many US Soldiers have been killed since the start of the "Civil War." And while you are at it, please give your definition of "Civil War" so I'll know where you draw the line.

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You have comprehension problems today? The US has been "at war" according to GWB for a different length of time than anyone has been claiming Iraq has a civil war.

If we can be "A nation at war" (according to Bush) with that as the excuse for warrantless spying, airspace restrictions, HSA, TSA, etc., when losing 3 a day on average during our war, why deny Iraq has a nascent civil war when it's losing 50 a day due to internal fighting?

You and Bush just want it both ways, for the US to be a in a state of war and Iraq at peace. It ain't like that.

OK if you want to use the 3 year as a measure, I don't think anyone would seriously consider 3 per day excessive when compared to other wars in history. More recently, since the beginning of the "Civil War in Iraq", the number of US casualties per day has drop to about 1 per day. That's mostly due to Iraqi Security taking a greater role in protecting their people. Sorry you don't see that as progress.
Encouraging attacks against US Forces by the MSM isn't helping either.

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>I don't think anyone would seriously consider 3 per day
>excessive when compared to other wars in history.

If, three years ago, I had posted that we'd be losing three people a day for years to come, you would be questioning my sanity.

I shudder to think what you will be defending in a year's time. "Look - the Iraqi government has the right to use chemical weapons against the insurgents. They're not 'their own people' if they're insurgents!"

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>I don't think anyone would seriously consider 3 per day
>excessive when compared to other wars in history.

If, three years ago, I had posted that we'd be losing three people a day for years to come, you would be questioning my sanity.

I shudder to think what you will be defending in a year's time. "Look - the Iraqi government has the right to use chemical weapons against the insurgents. They're not 'their own people' if they're insurgents!"

So do we have you on record as predicting the death rate of US troops will be 3 per day in 3 years and that Iraq will be using chemical weapons on insurgents?

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We have Bush on record claiming Mission Accomplished
I wonder how many in the military still see that little media stunt as a "moral boost"?

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We have Bush on record claiming Mission Accomplished
I wonder how many in the military still see that little media stunt as a "moral boost"?

Please post the speech where Bush said "Mission Accomplished."

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Please post the speech where Bush said "Mission Accomplished."

Wow. You're slippery. Do you take pride in missing the point so diligently?

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Please post the speech where Bush said "Mission Accomplished."

Wow. You're slippery. Do you take pride in missing the point so diligently?

Another personal slight on your part. Do you ever address the issue instead of the person?

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>where Bush said "Mission Accomplished."

He didn't say it. He (i.e. his administration) printed the banner that said it, the one used in all the photo ops.

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Please post the speech where Bush said "Mission Accomplished."

You are right, the banner on the air craft carrier that Bush landed on to make his little speech wasn't really meant for that event. It was left over from the night before when the cooks were done feeding everybody.