billvon 3,098 #26 March 14, 2006 >Dude how do you get caught doing 155. Spike strips! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #27 March 14, 2006 Now that would hurt!An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #28 March 14, 2006 Quote That why you take our first exit when the guy has no idea where you are what is he going to radio? ALL CARS! ALL CARS! Be on the lookout for a such and such color motorcycle... its that easy. And we can't be sure if he knew if he took that exit or not. Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #29 March 14, 2006 All this tunnel vision comments and not being aware of whats going on around you is surely just reinforcing the fact that its wreckless and your not riding in a suitable manner. Bound to get caught riding like that on a motorway. Why not just have a sneaky blast in the countryside away from villages and other traffic. Only kill yourself then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #30 March 14, 2006 Quote>Dude how do you get caught doing 155. Spike strips! Deer! ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,585 #31 March 14, 2006 QuoteAll this tunnel vision comments and not being aware of whats going on around you is surely just reinforcing the fact that its wreckless and your not riding in a suitable manner. Only if you're lucky...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 March 14, 2006 QuoteWhy not just have a sneaky blast in the countryside away from villages and other traffic. Only kill yourself then. easier to just jump on a knife at home in the bathtub. That way you don't ruin a perfectly good motorcycle. You only dirty a knife which can be washed. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #33 March 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhy not just have a sneaky blast in the countryside away from villages and other traffic. Only kill yourself then. easier to just jump on a knife at home in the bathtub. That way you don't ruin a perfectly good motorcycle. You only dirty a knife which can be washed. Where is the fun in thatI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ragnarok 0 #34 March 15, 2006 I own an R6. Not your average 600cc bike, either. Too bad people like this ruin it for the rest of us ---- kind of like skydiving. One bad story and we are the dregs of society......._________________________________________ Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006 Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008 Blue Skies Forever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy not just have a sneaky blast in the countryside away from villages and other traffic. Only kill yourself then. easier to just jump on a knife at home in the bathtub. That way you don't ruin a perfectly good motorcycle. You only dirty a knife which can be washed. Where is the fun in that someone else can enjoy to motorcycle. But that's ok, I don't really have any opinions on the subject of idiots blatantly breaking the law in order to put others in danger due to their own recklessness () If they were adults, they'd go and get trained and race in a professional environment. This is pure hackery for those that are too lazy to do it right. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI raced for 10 years in the WERA series and ran as high as 180 on the banks of Daytona and never had tunnel vision. Is this a strait line thing? It is a surroundings thing. If you are on a flat road with nothing around you it wont happen. But when you have trees and bushes on the side of the road they become a blur. Like a green line. But I only felt that above 160. Never as low as the 120s. Hi Darius, keep in mind that some people have very poor peripheral vision...maybe motorcyles aren't for them. Also a lot of it has nothing to do with actual vision, its a perception/concentration thing. You're moving so fast coming up on other vehicles and the like, that all your concentration is forward. As you get better at it, your perception should widen. Gavin Probably has a lot more to do with fear. Kinda like when a student skydiver lokks the lone bush all the way in until he hits it upon landing. In flying, you are trained to continually scan and not focus, I think the same should be used in all extreme sports. I've done the ole 160-170 on a bike and know the inclination to just look forward, but scan, scan, scan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #37 March 15, 2006 Quote155 mph crowded conditions tunnel vision I hope they take away his bike and permanently remove any right to a license for a bike. And do it for anyone that acts this stupid If someone wants to go fast, there's races and training for that. Wait, they should neuter him too, that way he will be less inclined to want to drive fast..... Come on, it's stupid to drive like that, but we let 1/2 blind people drive, elderly folks drive and so many other risky people drive that it's not equitible to point out only one. If I were king I would require extensive road course training before I issued a license, instead of the current 4-foot letters on a wall 15 feet away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #38 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteDude how do you get caught doing 155. By the time the cop gets to 60 your about a half a mile away. You take the first exit then your out. Because radios are faster than motorcycles and cop cars... That why you take our first exit when the guy has no idea where you are what is he going to radio? Yea, these guys crack me up when they run on the freeway OJ style. It's akin to running from a train by running as fast as you can while staying on the track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #39 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy not just have a sneaky blast in the countryside away from villages and other traffic. Only kill yourself then. easier to just jump on a knife at home in the bathtub. That way you don't ruin a perfectly good motorcycle. You only dirty a knife which can be washed. Where is the fun in that someone else can enjoy to motorcycle. But that's ok, I don't really have any opinions on the subject of idiots blatantly breaking the law in order to put others in danger due to their own recklessness () If they were adults, they'd go and get trained and race in a professional environment. This is pure hackery for those that are too lazy to do it right. See the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 March 15, 2006 Quote Probably has a lot more to do with fear. Kinda like when a student skydiver lokks the lone bush all the way in until he hits it upon landing. So you are saying that if one becomes too focused on something they can actually think the worst into existence? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #41 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuote Probably has a lot more to do with fear. Kinda like when a student skydiver lokks the lone bush all the way in until he hits it upon landing. So you are saying that if one becomes too focused on something they can actually think the worst into existence? Quote I think he was merely referring to target fixation - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #42 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Probably has a lot more to do with fear. Kinda like when a student skydiver lokks the lone bush all the way in until he hits it upon landing. So you are saying that if one becomes too focused on something they can actually think the worst into existence? Quote I think he was merely referring to target fixation - I got that and I must say, I agree 100%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 March 15, 2006 QuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #44 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. Well on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #45 March 15, 2006 QuoteWell on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? Not in the UK! Anyway, do you really get a motrobike so you can ride really fast in a straight line!? Sounds like the sort of thing you do a couple of times to check out the perormance then get bored with! Take it to the twisties for fun or better still to a track where their isn't blind car drivers and hopefully no diesel on the road. EDIT: I cant wait til I finally get my licence this year. Have waited until I'm 21 so I can do 'direct access' and have an unrestricted licence for decent bike. Time to start thumbing through the magazines again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #46 March 15, 2006 In some areas over here we've got a bit more space the you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #47 March 15, 2006 QuoteWell on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? "with no one in sight" - well that's better, in the cyclist's OPINION there isn't anyone about... good deal, go for it, certainly a moment of self gratification is worth it. Go as fast as you want, take that personal risk - on a track, on a course, legally sanctioned. It's an easy concept. Speed is fun, but breaking the law at high speeds in uncontrolled conditions is stupid no matter how much self rationalization the individual puts into it. A lot of us are guilty of it - then we grew up. IMO - these discussions sound freakishly like newbies talking about downsizing. And we aren't even into the legality of it.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #48 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. Well on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? They exist rarely at best. Maybe the salt flats? And do you really expect the rest of the people on the road to entrust the person who wants to go that fast with the judgement to know when it is safe to do so? Quite simply is it a contradiction in terms I did the superfast stuff a few times back in my 20's. Really not very well thought out now that I look back on it. I can only take consolation in the fact I never got killed or killed anybody else. Too bad there are a whole bunch of people who are not alive to be able to say the same thing. I understand that not all people have the same skills, but skill-based licensing isn't reasonable. ("OK sir. you get the class A3/1-4CA.77C1/no tel-POL, which means you can drive a passenger car as fast as 180 MPH as long as you are alone in the car, on at least a 4 lane controlled access freeway, have a car equipped with the attached list of technologies, it's daylight, there are no cars within 1 mile, there's no precipitation, you're not on the phone, and you say please before you put the keys in the ignition). If you want to race, go race. It's probably cheaper in the long run to go sportsman racing." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #49 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. He didn't hurt anybody...just broke a stupid law. Can't believe you are in favour of a law that is in place to protect people from possible actions. There are quite a few people who are very capable of handling motorcycles at that speed quite safely. Speeding laws are laws to create safety from possible negligent actions of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #50 March 15, 2006 Quote"with no one in sight" - well that's better, in the cyclist's OPINION there isn't anyone about... good deal, go for it, certainly a moment of self gratification is worth it. do I detect a note of sarcasm, if the cyclist's OPINION is also a clearly established FACT, would you concede that it's not endangering anyone but the person on the bike? If a tree falls in the forest.......... 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Gravitymaster 0 #42 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Probably has a lot more to do with fear. Kinda like when a student skydiver lokks the lone bush all the way in until he hits it upon landing. So you are saying that if one becomes too focused on something they can actually think the worst into existence? Quote I think he was merely referring to target fixation - I got that and I must say, I agree 100%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 March 15, 2006 QuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #44 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. Well on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #45 March 15, 2006 QuoteWell on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? Not in the UK! Anyway, do you really get a motrobike so you can ride really fast in a straight line!? Sounds like the sort of thing you do a couple of times to check out the perormance then get bored with! Take it to the twisties for fun or better still to a track where their isn't blind car drivers and hopefully no diesel on the road. EDIT: I cant wait til I finally get my licence this year. Have waited until I'm 21 so I can do 'direct access' and have an unrestricted licence for decent bike. Time to start thumbing through the magazines again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #46 March 15, 2006 In some areas over here we've got a bit more space the you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #47 March 15, 2006 QuoteWell on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? "with no one in sight" - well that's better, in the cyclist's OPINION there isn't anyone about... good deal, go for it, certainly a moment of self gratification is worth it. Go as fast as you want, take that personal risk - on a track, on a course, legally sanctioned. It's an easy concept. Speed is fun, but breaking the law at high speeds in uncontrolled conditions is stupid no matter how much self rationalization the individual puts into it. A lot of us are guilty of it - then we grew up. IMO - these discussions sound freakishly like newbies talking about downsizing. And we aren't even into the legality of it.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #48 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. Well on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? They exist rarely at best. Maybe the salt flats? And do you really expect the rest of the people on the road to entrust the person who wants to go that fast with the judgement to know when it is safe to do so? Quite simply is it a contradiction in terms I did the superfast stuff a few times back in my 20's. Really not very well thought out now that I look back on it. I can only take consolation in the fact I never got killed or killed anybody else. Too bad there are a whole bunch of people who are not alive to be able to say the same thing. I understand that not all people have the same skills, but skill-based licensing isn't reasonable. ("OK sir. you get the class A3/1-4CA.77C1/no tel-POL, which means you can drive a passenger car as fast as 180 MPH as long as you are alone in the car, on at least a 4 lane controlled access freeway, have a car equipped with the attached list of technologies, it's daylight, there are no cars within 1 mile, there's no precipitation, you're not on the phone, and you say please before you put the keys in the ignition). If you want to race, go race. It's probably cheaper in the long run to go sportsman racing." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #49 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. He didn't hurt anybody...just broke a stupid law. Can't believe you are in favour of a law that is in place to protect people from possible actions. There are quite a few people who are very capable of handling motorcycles at that speed quite safely. Speeding laws are laws to create safety from possible negligent actions of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #50 March 15, 2006 Quote"with no one in sight" - well that's better, in the cyclist's OPINION there isn't anyone about... good deal, go for it, certainly a moment of self gratification is worth it. do I detect a note of sarcasm, if the cyclist's OPINION is also a clearly established FACT, would you concede that it's not endangering anyone but the person on the bike? If a tree falls in the forest.......... 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rehmwa 2 #43 March 15, 2006 QuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #44 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. Well on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #45 March 15, 2006 QuoteWell on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? Not in the UK! Anyway, do you really get a motrobike so you can ride really fast in a straight line!? Sounds like the sort of thing you do a couple of times to check out the perormance then get bored with! Take it to the twisties for fun or better still to a track where their isn't blind car drivers and hopefully no diesel on the road. EDIT: I cant wait til I finally get my licence this year. Have waited until I'm 21 so I can do 'direct access' and have an unrestricted licence for decent bike. Time to start thumbing through the magazines again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #46 March 15, 2006 In some areas over here we've got a bit more space the you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #47 March 15, 2006 QuoteWell on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? "with no one in sight" - well that's better, in the cyclist's OPINION there isn't anyone about... good deal, go for it, certainly a moment of self gratification is worth it. Go as fast as you want, take that personal risk - on a track, on a course, legally sanctioned. It's an easy concept. Speed is fun, but breaking the law at high speeds in uncontrolled conditions is stupid no matter how much self rationalization the individual puts into it. A lot of us are guilty of it - then we grew up. IMO - these discussions sound freakishly like newbies talking about downsizing. And we aren't even into the legality of it.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #48 March 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSee the bold type-- So if he/she chooses to accept the risk and isn't endangering anyone else whats the problem?? I see no way that a person can guarantee they aren't endangering someone else that might also have decided to go out into the country. It's just rationalization for people that are too lazy or petulant or unskilled enough to join a racing club/team. What's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. Well on a flat out 10 mile stretch with no intersections and no one in sight. I say blast it up to 140 if you choose to accept the danger you put yourself in. I guess you don't think those conditions ever exist? They exist rarely at best. Maybe the salt flats? And do you really expect the rest of the people on the road to entrust the person who wants to go that fast with the judgement to know when it is safe to do so? Quite simply is it a contradiction in terms I did the superfast stuff a few times back in my 20's. Really not very well thought out now that I look back on it. I can only take consolation in the fact I never got killed or killed anybody else. Too bad there are a whole bunch of people who are not alive to be able to say the same thing. I understand that not all people have the same skills, but skill-based licensing isn't reasonable. ("OK sir. you get the class A3/1-4CA.77C1/no tel-POL, which means you can drive a passenger car as fast as 180 MPH as long as you are alone in the car, on at least a 4 lane controlled access freeway, have a car equipped with the attached list of technologies, it's daylight, there are no cars within 1 mile, there's no precipitation, you're not on the phone, and you say please before you put the keys in the ignition). If you want to race, go race. It's probably cheaper in the long run to go sportsman racing." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #49 March 15, 2006 QuoteWhat's wrong with racing on controlled courses and leaving public roads to those that obey the law? (we're not talking about going 70 in a 60, we're talking about asshats going 120+ just because they feel like it. He didn't hurt anybody...just broke a stupid law. Can't believe you are in favour of a law that is in place to protect people from possible actions. There are quite a few people who are very capable of handling motorcycles at that speed quite safely. Speeding laws are laws to create safety from possible negligent actions of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #50 March 15, 2006 Quote"with no one in sight" - well that's better, in the cyclist's OPINION there isn't anyone about... good deal, go for it, certainly a moment of self gratification is worth it. do I detect a note of sarcasm, if the cyclist's OPINION is also a clearly established FACT, would you concede that it's not endangering anyone but the person on the bike? If a tree falls in the forest.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
