billvon 3,078 #51 March 6, 2006 >Best Director is only 2nd to best movie in their minds Who is "them?" The Academy Awards people? I would think their opinion would be worth something since they bestow the awards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #52 March 6, 2006 I just fail to see how a movie about two hicks cornholing each other is noteworthy... A good ending would be them both contracting some incurable and persistent STD. Call it "Brokeback Mtn 2: The Search for Valtrex"Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #53 March 6, 2006 >I just fail to see how a movie about two hicks cornholing each other is noteworthy... Did you see it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #54 March 6, 2006 QuoteI just fail to see how a movie about two hicks cornholing each other is noteworthy... Ah. That answers my question. Thanks. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #55 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteYep. That movie got what it deserved. Not a damn thing. Just so we're all perfectly clear, are these negative reviews based on: A) Your cinemagraphic judgements of the directing, lighting, acting, and set design B) or are we all engaging in a little barely-obscured gaybashing again? Well Suzie, I really don't care how sensitive you are. As I said: I fail to see how a movie about two rednecks fucking each other in the ass is noteworthy.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #56 March 6, 2006 I don't see how movies about "shit blowing up" is all that noteworthy, but it's not a big deal to me if it wins/doesn't win awards.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 March 6, 2006 QuoteI just fail to see how a movie about two hicks cornholing each other is noteworthy... I didn't see it. Just commenting on your note that Best Director was a minor award. If it was two hicks (Daisy Mae and Ellie Mae) in a tent, I'd go see it. Does that count as sensitive and evolved? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #58 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteI just fail to see how a movie about two hicks cornholing each other is noteworthy... Ah. That answers my question. Thanks. You're welcome. Resume whining.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #59 March 6, 2006 QuoteWell Suzie, I really don't care how sensitive you are. Whew. You made that nasty and personal in record speed. Let me catch my breath before concocting equally witty schoolyard insults to characterize YOU by stereotypes. Be right back. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #60 March 6, 2006 QuoteIf it was two hicks (Daisy Mae and Ellie Mae) in a tent, I'd go see it. But two chicks = hot erotica. Two dudes = instant homophobia. Duh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #61 March 6, 2006 >Well Suzie. . . Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #62 March 6, 2006 Quote Both of you cut it out. Just to help me comply, can you point out what I said that I shouldn't have? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #63 March 6, 2006 WOW Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlkskycam 0 #64 March 6, 2006 QuoteI just fail to see how a movie about two hicks cornholing each other is noteworthy... A good ending would be them both contracting some incurable and persistent STD. Call it "Brokeback Mtn 2: The Search for Valtrex" How did it actually end? I haven't seen it but near as I can tell from what I read about it, it's a love story - and love is part of the human condition - which is fair because humans make movies. It's noteworthy because it involves a couple of dudes supposedly in love and some organization which awards movies and the people who make them recognized it as possibly award-worthy, and in this day and age such awards and representations, even fictional representations, are in some cirlces very politically incorrect - nevermind that shit like this actually does happen. It's not like dudes cornholing each other as a concept has never been imagined before. On that note, it could be said Private Ryan was about war as entertainment (it's much more than that btw), or Ben Hur and the Ten Commandments or even The Passion of the Christ was about some uppity Jews. What makes those three movies so noteworthy? Just be honest and admit that fictional characters possibly cornholing each other freaks you out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlkskycam 0 #65 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteYep. That movie got what it deserved. Not a damn thing. Just so we're all perfectly clear, are these negative reviews based on: A) Your cinemagraphic judgements of the directing, lighting, acting, and set design B) or are we all engaging in a little barely-obscured gaybashing again? Well Suzie, I really don't care how sensitive you are. As I said: I fail to see how a movie about two rednecks fucking each other in the ass is noteworthy. What if they were just blowing each other. That all right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #66 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf it was two hicks (Daisy Mae and Ellie Mae) in a tent, I'd go see it. But two chicks = hot erotica. Two dudes = instant homophobia. Duh. not quite Two dudes = nauseousness for most. Its their right but that doesn't mean I or anybody else should have to see it. ,If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #67 March 6, 2006 >Its their right but that doesn't mean I or anybody else should have to see it. That is exactly right! Fortunately, you can choose the movies you see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #68 March 7, 2006 QuoteA good ending would be them both contracting some incurable and persistent STD. Call it "Brokeback Mtn 2: The Search for Valtrex" Sounds like one too many guys have turned you down and sent you home frustrated.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #69 March 7, 2006 Was There a 'Brokeback' Backlash? By JOCELYN NOVECK, AP National Writer 4 hours ago NEW YORK - We chatted about it, joked about it, argued about it, spoofed it. "Brokeback Mountain" was everywhere in our popular culture _ yet it lost the big Oscar it was supposed to win. Was there a "Brokeback Backlash," or was "Crash" just the worthy contender that came on strong in the final Best Picture stretch? There were as many theories being offered up Monday as there are "Brokeback" parodies on the Internet. One theory was that, despite the hoopla, the endless late-night monologues and the clever imitations, people (Academy voters, that is) didn't really love the soulful saga of two gay cowboys _ and perhaps even felt uncomfortable with its themes. "Sometimes people pretend to like movies more than they actually do," said Richard Walter, who heads the screenwriting program at UCLA's film school. "But this film wasn't really THAT good. What it tried to do was great, sensational. But what it actually accomplished wasn't so great. You can't really buy the love story." Film critic Kenneth Turan, writing in the Los Angeles Times, said the problem wasn't with the film's quality. Rather, he said, "you could not take the pulse of the industry without realizing that this film made people distinctly uncomfortable." "In the privacy of the voting booth ... people are free to act out the unspoken fears and unconscious prejudices that they would never breathe to another soul, or likely, acknowledge to themselves. And at least this year, that acting out doomed `Brokeback Mountain.'" Gay activists did not necessarily agree. "I don't think it has anything to do with the subject matter," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay rights group. He noted that "Brokeback" and "Crash" both dealt with "tough issues like indifference and intolerance." "I was certainly disappointed," Solmonese said. "But I would trade that Oscar for all the positive conversations that this movie spurred between parents and their gay children, or between employees and their gay co-workers. That impact transcends any accolades." Some people focused on the demographics of the typical Academy voter: older, and city-dwelling. Author and "Brokeback" co-screenwriter Larry McMurtry thought that was key to his film's loss. "Members of the Academy are mostly urban people," McMurtry, who won the adapted screenplay prize with Diana Ossana, said backstage at Sunday night's ceremony. "We are an urban nation. We are not a rural nation. It's not easy even to get a rural story made." McMurtry could have added that not only are Academy voters urban, they also are from Los Angeles _ the city that is the heart of "Crash," a racial drama depicting the intertwining experiences of an array of characters over 36 hours. The film, featuring a huge and accomplished cast ("Raise your hand if you're NOT in `Crash,'" host Jon Stewart quipped to the crowd), also won for original screenplay and film editing. "Brokeback" director Ang Lee, who won the directing prize, said he hadn't a clue why the film didn't take the best-picture award. "They didn't vote for it," he said. "I don't know. You asked me one question, and I don't know the answer." But his brother had an opinion. Lee Kang, speaking in Tapei, Taiwan, suggested American bias was involved. "When the locals are voting, they will have this, whether you call it nationalism or something else," he said. "Crash" writer/director Paul Haggis, for his part, said he hadn't "for a second" believed the whispers, which grew louder as Oscar night approached, that "Crash" had the momentum to overtake "Brokeback." "I didn't believe any of that nonsense," he said. "In fact, we were so shocked. I mean, we're still trying to figure out if we got this." "Crash" came out to mixed reviews in May, considered much too early for a film to stay in voters' minds. But Lionsgate Films reminded voters and critics of the movie's potency by flooding them with copies of the DVD late in 2005. In winning over the heavily favored "Brokeback," the film evoked major upsets of the past, most recently the 1999 triumph of "Shakespeare in Love" over "Saving Private Ryan." Another famous underdog champ was "Chariots of Fire," which in 1982 beat both Warren Beatty's historical epic, "Reds," and the family story "On Golden Pond." One disturbing difference for the Academy: a lot more viewers tuned in to see those upsets. An estimated 38.8 million people watched Sunday's telecast on ABC _ down 8 percent from last year and the second-worst showing in nearly two decades, according to Nielsen Media Research. Except for the 2003 count of 33 million viewers _ when "Chicago" took the best-picture award _ viewership hadn't dipped below 40 million since 1987. So what is to be learned from Sunday night's upset result? Not much, says Walter, the film professor. You just really never know what Academy voters are going to do. "It's just a crapshoot," Walter said. "You go to Vegas and you put your money on number 17. "There is NO lesson to be learned from all this. It doesn't mean a thing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #70 March 7, 2006 QuoteMy favorite film of the year was Walk the Line. I'm with you. Those were Oscar-worthy performances. Joaquin Phoenix DID NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY GUITAR before this movie, nor did he sing. That he and Witherspoon made it look so easy and real is what AMPAS should recognize. Anyway, all the "pre-pre-pre-pre-awards" shows leading up to the ultimate in masturbatory self-congratulation and mutual admiration known as the Oscars are finally over and done with. Now Hollyweird can get back to work in the Bullshit Factory, grinding out another year's worth of hype and tripe."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #71 March 7, 2006 Being South African I'm naturally delighted that "Tsotsi" won the Best Foreign Language Oscar. I'm curious though. Does the average American movie-goer actually ever go see any of these 'foreign' movies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #72 March 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote>Yep. That movie got what it deserved. Not a damn thing. It won Best Director (see above.) Meh, a minor league Oscar. Kinda like best...sound editing or some shit. Best Director is only 2nd to best movie in their minds I think Alfred Hitchcock and Martin Scorcese, both of whom were passed over for this "minor" award, would disagree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #73 March 7, 2006 QuoteBeing South African I'm naturally delighted that "Tsotsi" won the Best Foreign Language Oscar. I'm curious though. Does the average American movie-goer actually ever go see any of these 'foreign' movies? Depends on the market. Larger metropolitan areas are more likely to screen independent and foreign films. For example, Seattle hosts a film festival (SIFF). I doubt one would see a film like Tsotsi in South Dakota."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #74 March 7, 2006 No the average American movier goer doesn't see these foreign movies. Those are only screened on a limited number of movie theaters and those are generally only in large metropolitan areas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #75 March 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteOscar winners: Homosexuals, Trans-sexuals, Pimps, and America-haters. I think they've grown a bit out of touch with mainstream America... And in the process, are making themselves irrelevant. Oh, c'mon John - Have you seen any of these Homosexual, Trans-sexual, Pimp, and America-hating flims? I haven't so maybe I'm talking out of my hat. I predicted that whichever won or lost, the "Out of Touch" mantra would be resplendant. The truth is, unless you're a film-maker or otherwise in the industry angling for awards or a member of the academy, the awards have always been irrelevant. Unless the academy somehow provides some sort of personal vindication towards your own personal preferences - in other words, that they agree with you. Perspective - film is an art-form - and nothing more. There was a school of thought that the impressionists were out of touch but this is not to say that such art was without merit. Van Gough couldn't sell shit but (to me) some of his stuff is absolutely beautiful, though I prefer Rembrandt, Caravaggio, Holbein, and others because I get off on realism. Similar angst has been expressed over music as well. Jazz into Big Band into Blues, R&B, Doo-Wop, Rock to Rap, with a little country and bluegrass on the side? Pick your poison. There's always been some that prefer something else than what others might prefer. Remember "The Last Temptation of Christ?" Beautiful film in my opinion. There were some who hated it. Remember "The Passion of the Christ?" Another beautiful film. There were also some who hated it. The point is, those (and the camps they might or might not be a part of) that like or dislike the film does not change the film. It is its own entity and it will stand or fall on what it is - specifically on what it is to the individual - not upon what it might represent to society at large. Just my opinion - that's all. So basically - it all depends on what political statement the acadamy wants to present or promote that makes a film worthy of an oscar as opposed to actual quality or talent. makes sense - in a hollywierd kind of way.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
