kallend 2,175 #26 March 8, 2006 QuoteI would think the Chief of Police of a small town would have a much better idea of his town's views on RKBA than the Chief of a much larger town. Especially as the Chiefs in larger towns seem to be much more of a political animal than a law officer. If you want to know the general population's views, why not poll them directly instead of the police chiefs? It still makes no sense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 March 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteI would think the Chief of Police of a small town would have a much better idea of his town's views on RKBA than the Chief of a much larger town. Especially as the Chiefs in larger towns seem to be much more of a political animal than a law officer. If you want to know the general population's views, why not poll them directly instead of the police chiefs? It still makes no sense. It does, in the sense that in many states the Police Chief has to sign off on the concealed carry license request.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #28 March 8, 2006 QuoteIf you want to know the general population's views, why not poll them directly instead of the police chiefs? It still makes no sense. They didn't want to know the general population's view. Other organizations already do that kind of poll. This particular organization represents police chiefs, so that's who they polled. Gosh, what's so evil about that? They didn't misrepresent the chief's views by claiming that it is representative of the rest of the population - they just stated exactly what it was. Anti-gun folks like to claim that the majority of police chiefs are against civilian gun ownership. This poll proves them wrong. Many citizens take their cues on what they think should be done about crime from police chiefs. So this poll is instructive for them too. And police chiefs have influence on legislation, so this poll is instructive for that reason too. Besides, you always claim that you support 2nd Amendment rights. So what are you so upset about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #29 March 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf you want to know the general population's views, why not poll them directly instead of the police chiefs? It still makes no sense. They didn't want to know the general population's view. Other organizations already do that kind of poll. This particular organization represents police chiefs, so that's who they polled. Gosh, what's so evil about that? They didn't misrepresent the chief's views by claiming that it is representative of the rest of the population - they just stated exactly what it was. Anti-gun folks like to claim that the majority of police chiefs are against civilian gun ownership. This poll proves them wrong. Many citizens take their cues on what they think should be done about crime from police chiefs. So this poll is instructive for them too. And police chiefs have influence on legislation, so this poll is instructive for that reason too. Besides, you always claim that you support 2nd Amendment rights. So what are you so upset about? I'm not upset. I simply point out the fatuousness of this "poll".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #30 March 8, 2006 QuoteI'm not upset. I simply point out the fatuousness of this "poll". So then, in fact, you agree with the 92% of police chiefs that support private gun ownership, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #31 March 8, 2006 QuoteI'm not upset. I simply point out the fatuousness of this "poll". I have heard people say that because the chiefs (meaning at least two) of large cities take a purely political stance on the issue and represent the liberal constituents that gave and keep them in power, that "police chiefs" are against it. So, do liberals really care what police chiefs think? Or is it merely a catch phrase? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #32 March 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm not upset. I simply point out the fatuousness of this "poll". So then, in fact, you agree with the 92% of police chiefs that support private gun ownership, right? Right. I absolutely support minimizing government intrusion into the lives of the people, including with respect to guns. I disagree that guns save lives. The so-called "data" presented in support of that notion is highly dubious. But that's not inconsistent with my general opposition to government intrusion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 March 8, 2006 QuoteI disagree that guns save lives. The so-called "data" presented in support of that notion is highly dubious. But that's not inconsistent with my general opposition to government intrusion. Here's the real test guys - Kallend has consistently been on your side. He just doesn't agree with the arguments normally used - he has his own. So are you happy he's in support, or does he have to walk lockstep with your reasons too? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #34 March 9, 2006 QuoteKallend has consistently been on your side. He just doesn't agree with the arguments normally used - he has his own. So are you happy he's in support, or does he have to walk lockstep I just like to point that position of his out, because on the one hand he says he supports gun ownership, but then virtually every single post he ever makes in any gun discussion is to argue against it. He never criticizes any of the anti-gun arguments, only the pro-gun arguments. I just find that odd for someone who professes to care so much about the truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #35 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteKallend has consistently been on your side. He just doesn't agree with the arguments normally used - he has his own. So are you happy he's in support, or does he have to walk lockstep I just like to point that position of his out, because on the one hand he says he supports gun ownership, but then virtually every single post he ever makes in any gun discussion is to argue against it. He never criticizes any of the anti-gun arguments, only the pro-gun arguments. I just find that odd for someone who professes to care so much about the truth. Apparently lockstep is required, independent thought is strongly discouraged.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #36 March 9, 2006 There will be no good argument against civilian gun ownership until you can prove that criminals legally purchase guns to use in committing a crime. What % of gun related crimes occur w/ a weapon legally purchased by the criminal using that weapon in a crime? So nil it's nothing, that's how much. People against civilian gun ownership are people who don't know what they're talking about and are trying to solve a problem the most ineffective way possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #37 March 9, 2006 QuoteThere will be no good argument against civilian gun ownership until you can prove that criminals legally purchase guns to use in committing a crime. What % of gun related crimes occur w/ a weapon legally purchased by the criminal using that weapon in a crime? So nil it's nothing, that's how much. People against civilian gun ownership are people who don't know what they're talking about and are trying to solve a problem the most ineffective way possible. I have been saying this all along and yet it falls on the deaf ears of anti gunners Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #38 March 9, 2006 QuoteThere will be no good argument against civilian gun ownership until you can prove that criminals legally purchase guns to use in committing a crime. What % of gun related crimes occur w/ a weapon legally purchased by the criminal using that weapon in a crime? So nil it's nothing, that's how much. People against civilian gun ownership are people who don't know what they're talking about and are trying to solve a problem the most ineffective way possible. A provably incorrect statement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #39 March 9, 2006 QuoteT What % of gun related crimes occur w/ a weapon legally purchased by the criminal using that weapon in a crime? what % of guns (legal or illegal) were at some point in their existence legally manufactured and sold - about 99%? Ah no - of course. Legal guns automatically self destruct and evaporate if someone tried to steal or illegally sell them. Illegal guns, on the other hand, they grow in dark holes in the ground and people from evil land harevst them at night. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 March 9, 2006 Quote what % of guns (legal or illegal) were at some point in their existence legally manufactured and sold - about 99%? Please tell us what % of vehicles used in robberies and vehicular manslaughter events were legally manufactured and sold. Wow...100%, you say? That is a COMPLETELY unacceptable percentage - I'm going to write my congressman and have them make a law against selling autos!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #41 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuote what % of guns (legal or illegal) were at some point in their existence legally manufactured and sold - about 99%? Please tell us what % of vehicles used in robberies and vehicular manslaughter events were legally manufactured and sold. Wow...100%, you say? That is a COMPLETELY unacceptable percentage - I'm going to write my congressman and have them make a law against selling autos! Silly!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 March 9, 2006 Equally as silly as prior restraint against law-abiding gun owners.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #43 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuote what % of guns (legal or illegal) were at some point in their existence legally manufactured and sold - about 99%? Please tell us what % of vehicles used in robberies and vehicular manslaughter events were legally manufactured and sold. Wow...100%, you say? That is a COMPLETELY unacceptable percentage - I'm going to write my congressman and have them make a law against selling autos! Now wait, think about it. Modify all cars that explode upon being stolen...... yeah, I'm liking this a lot.... Did you know that nearly 99% of all hot dogs that caused choking deaths were legally manufactured and sold? The other one percent were actually stuffed by a gentleman name Ole Svenson of Dubuque, IA. His extra thick casings were difficult to chew. He's applying for a legal license to make and sell. Hotdogs don't kill people, bad chewing kills people. But, just to be safe, we need to outlaw private ownership of hotdogs. Only specially trained policement and servicemen should have access to hotdogs, and then only to be used in the event of bear attacks or invasion by space aliens in order to protect the baby seals on our planet - mother Gaia. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 March 9, 2006 You forgot about the CHILLLLLlllllddddrrrreeeennnnnnnnnnMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #45 March 9, 2006 Quote Please tell us what % of vehicles used in robberies and vehicular manslaughter events were legally manufactured and sold. yeah - I guess that is the main functionality of cars and what they were invented for. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuote Please tell us what % of vehicles used in robberies and vehicular manslaughter events were legally manufactured and sold. yeah - I guess that is the main functionality of cars and what they were invented for. Cheers, T By that logic, you're saying guns were invented to do crimes with.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #47 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteT What % of gun related crimes occur w/ a weapon legally purchased by the criminal using that weapon in a crime? what % of guns (legal or illegal) were at some point in their existence legally manufactured and sold - about 99%? Ah no - of course. Legal guns automatically self destruct and evaporate if someone tried to steal or illegally sell them. Illegal guns, on the other hand, they grow in dark holes in the ground and people from evil land harevst them at night. Cheers, T What percentage of forks started out as only feeding thin people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #48 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Please tell us what % of vehicles used in robberies and vehicular manslaughter events were legally manufactured and sold. yeah - I guess that is the main functionality of cars and what they were invented for. Cheers, T By that logic, you're saying guns were invented to do crimes with. No, but in all fairness, cars and other potentially dangerous things (like steak knives, baseball bats, nail guns, etc.) can be used to harm people, but that's not what they're designed to do. Most (even if not all) handguns and military-style assault weapons were invented to shoot people with, and not targets or game. And most domestic violence shootings aren't committed with bolt-action deer rifles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteBy that logic, you're saying guns were invented to do crimes with. No, but in all fairness, cars and other potentially dangerous things (like steak knives, baseball bats, nail guns, etc.) can be used to harm people, but that's not what they're designed to do. Most (even if not all) handguns and military-style assault weapons were invented to shoot people with, and not targets or game. And most domestic violence shootings aren't committed with bolt-action deer rifles. Steak knives could be considered to have 'evolved' from daggers. Baseball bats - clubs/maces. Etc.... How many prison murders are committed by handguns? It's not the ITEM being used...it's the USER. That's the point I'm trying to make, and the point that the Brady adherents keep conveniently overlooking.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #50 March 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Please tell us what % of vehicles used in robberies and vehicular manslaughter events were legally manufactured and sold. yeah - I guess that is the main functionality of cars and what they were invented for. Cheers, T By that logic, you're saying guns were invented to do crimes with. No, but in all fairness, cars and other potentially dangerous things (like steak knives, baseball bats, nail guns, etc.) can be used to harm people, but that's not what they're designed to do. Most (even if not all) handguns and military-style assault weapons(NO SUCH THING) were invented to shoot people with, and not targets or game. And most domestic violence shootings aren't committed with bolt-action deer rifles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
