Gravitymaster 0 #26 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou have to be bigger than that if you truly hope to influence people. I don't hope to influence anyone. I know that bigotry, and especially bigotry caused by religious beliefs, is incurable. What a completely asinine thing to say. Back up what you say. Show one post where I made a bigoted statement. In fact show one post where I have said anything about religion, my preference of religion, what religion I am, a position I have taken that is religious et. You can't because you are running your mouth without any facts, as usual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #27 March 3, 2006 Still waiting, genius!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #28 March 3, 2006 QuoteI don't disagree with you. Technology always gets better as time goes by. I think the point of the article is that if you are thinking about purchasing a Hybrid, these are some factors you need to consider in your decision. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/high-cost-of-hybrid-vehicles-406/hybrids-vs-all-gas.htm?resultPageIndex=1&resultIndex=2&searchTerm=hybrids All cars are a money sink. Some more than others. It has been known for some time that the cost savings from a Hybrid may not be there for years, possibly 10 years. My reserach on autos is a bit old from a couple years ago. But even then I remember finding info claiming tweaks to cars, esp SUVs, that would increase their green factor but due to big corp BS that won't happen. Also, there are many that believe GW pushes the use of Hydrogen cell cars because it will keep the oil companies happy since we will still need them to produce that fuel source._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #29 March 3, 2006 You just posted to yourself taunting another poster. That is hilarious. And here I thought Friday was going to be boring. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 March 3, 2006 QuoteYou just posted to yourself taunting another poster. That is hilarious. And here I thought Friday was going to be boring. Glad you are entertained so easily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 March 3, 2006 Still waiting, genius. Duh, what's the matter? Having a little trouble backing up your words? Did your weak little attempt at a PA backfire? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #32 March 3, 2006 Easy there, it's not worth it, this is about cars...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #33 March 3, 2006 QuoteStill waiting, genius. Duh, what's the matter? Having a little trouble backing up your words? Did your weak little attempt at a PA backfire? Jesus Christ man. Have you even checked to see if he was online? I just did. He is not. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #34 March 3, 2006 you are pretty wired... valium? Qualudes? Tylenol 3? relax buddy.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #35 March 3, 2006 Disappointing. To the Circle of Hate! Both of you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #36 March 3, 2006 QuoteStill waiting, genius. Duh, what's the matter? Having a little trouble backing up your words? Did your weak little attempt at a PA backfire? Woah bucko! Breathe... breathe... breathe... Feeling a little better now? Whew. I'm sorry I left the forum to do some other things when you were clearly so anxious for my company. I'll try to be here for you more reliably from now on. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #37 March 3, 2006 QuoteWhat a completely asinine thing to say. Back up what you say. Show one post where I made a bigoted statement. In fact show one post where I have said anything about religion, my preference of religion, what religion I am, a position I have taken that is religious et. You can't because you are running your mouth without any facts, as usual. Now that I've hopefully soothed your lonely feathers, I'll respond to your question. I hope this helps make your day a little calmer: I Wasn't Talking About You ! I was responding to johnnyd who was making a GENERAL comment about my personal experience around here. But it's interesting that you took it so personally. I'll keep that in mind First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #38 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat a completely asinine thing to say. Back up what you say. Show one post where I made a bigoted statement. In fact show one post where I have said anything about religion, my preference of religion, what religion I am, a position I have taken that is religious et. You can't because you are running your mouth without any facts, as usual. Now that I've hopefully soothed your lonely feathers, I'll respond to your question. I hope this helps make your day a little calmer: I Wasn't Talking About You ! I was responding to johnnyd who was making a GENERAL comment about my personal experience around here. But it's interesting that you took it so personally. I'll keep that in mind Nice little bit of BS because you can't back up what you said. Tell us who you were talking about then. You quoted my apology for misunderstanding Johnny comment in your post. At least stand up and admit you were wrong instead of dodging when called on your B.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #39 March 3, 2006 QuoteYou quoted my apology for misunderstanding Johnny comment in your post. At least stand up and admit you were wrong instead of dodging when called on your B.S. You're absolutely right. I just reread through everything and realize that I had clicked "Reply" to the wrong post. That was sheer clumsiness from doing it too quickly. Although I quoted the right comment (his) which you had also quoted, I replied to your post instead of his mistakenly. I apologize for causing this misunderstanding. My post stands and it was not BS, but it was NOT meant to refer to you personally. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 March 3, 2006 Apology accepted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #41 March 3, 2006 QuoteApology accepted. Fuck that! Back to the Circle of Hate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #42 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteApology accepted. Fuck that! Back to the Circle of Hate! Shit-stirrer..it's all your fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #43 March 3, 2006 I apologized to narci, he apologized to you... Kumbaya my lord...kumbaya...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brierebecca 0 #44 March 3, 2006 something interesting about cars that run on soybean oil - apparently they're not hard to build and go pretty fast. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/17/eveningnews/main1329941.shtml Brie"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #45 March 3, 2006 QuoteI apologized to narci, he apologized to you... Kumbaya my lord...kumbaya... Where'd you learn to sing, the dog pound? yeah, what's wrong with these people, it's been a pissing contest all week. I STILL HAVE POPCORN YET Where the hell did PJ and Amazon go? That'll get the crap back behind the fan where it belongs. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #46 March 3, 2006 Quotesomething interesting about cars that run on soybean oil - apparently they're not hard to build and go pretty fast. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/17/eveningnews/main1329941.shtml Brie Yep, I posted that story a week or so ago. Pretty amazing that kids from a poor urban area could not only accomplish this, but the way it has affected their outlook on life is truely the greater benefit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #47 March 3, 2006 >Bigotry is learned. Bigotry is pretty natural. It's exhibited in the natural world all the time; groups of animals tend to cluster together, and tend to exclude weaker/smaller/different looking animals, even of the same species. It's a survival trait, one that prevents defective genes from turning up in offspring. A lot of other 'bad' characteristics are also somewhat instinctual. Lust is an obvious one. Gluttony is often programmed; the animal that can eat a lot (and store the excess as fat) survives more often than the skinny animal in lean times. Violence is often a reaction to the fight/flight response when an animal is threatened. We're fortunate enough to be able to decide to not act on those instincts, and instead do something more intelligent. (Well, most people are, anyway.) Our frontal lobes have gotten large enough to be able to control the 'less civilized' parts of our brain, although we can never leave their effects behind completely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #48 March 4, 2006 Quote>The complexity of the vehicles, questions about battery life >and replacement cost and a lack of independent repair shops that >will work on hybrids all result in extra depreciation costs . . . . I remember the same being said for fuel injection, computerized ignition controls and catalytic converters. (How do you find a car shop that will work on a _computer_?) Nowadays all cars have these. Hybrids will be similar. In ten years most cars will have some form of hybrid drive. In many cases this won't be for fuel savings or emissions reduction, but cost savings. Belts, power steering pumps, and air conditioning compressors will soon be replaced by electrically driven versions of these same devices to reduce maintenance costs. And to get enough power to drive all these, some form of hybrid drive will be used. The 'weakest' form of this will be a 42 volt motor/generator, a 2-3 kilowatt shaft driven motor generator that will generate power to run all those accessories, restart the car after stops and provide a small amount of 'boost' during acceleration. It will also give you an increase of a few MPG, which is a selling point. Going to 42 volts will also allow manufacturers to reduce wire gauges significantly. Copper costs about $10/pound when fabricated into wire harnesses, so cutting 30 pounds of wiring from a vehicle (half the wire weight) could save $300 in manufacturing costs - and cut gas usage a bit more. Going to higher voltages (as the current hybrids do) could save more money, but battery costs start going up. But the big thing that will drive long term acceptance of hybrids will be performance. Hybrids have the ability to deliver much higher levels of performance than purely gas-driven vehicles, since the torque curve of an electric motor is almost perfectly flat - at least, up to base speed. Internal combustion engines peak at higher RPM's, so the combination of the two makes a very powerful vehicle. So far, hybrids have been designed for fuel economy rather than power, and thus haven't been part of this market. But once the performance hybrid market opens up, you'll see people willing to spend an extra $5000 for the fastest thing on the block. I agree completely. the price will come down. what we need now in North America is more small high tech diesels like they have in Europe. I would buy one before a hybrid. I am in automotive design and have been reading about 42 Volt electrical systems for years - when will they be introduced - no doubt BMW or MB will be first. rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #49 March 4, 2006 Diesels...I think the exhaust pipe should be mounted right on top of the hood. Then the owner would care if they spew soot.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robr 0 #50 March 4, 2006 QuoteI agree completely. the price will come down. what we need now in North America is more small high tech diesels like they have in Europe. I would buy one before a hybrid. I am in automotive design and have been reading about 42 Volt electrical systems for years - when will they be introduced - no doubt BMW or MB will be first. rm (not specifically to you RMURRAY, just a convenient message to respond to that isn't an argument ) I just read http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech-Energy/wtr_16504,296,p1.html which talks about the use of fuel cells+batteries in forklifts and how expensive car-sized fuel cells are. The adoption and manufacture of (and hopefully profit from selling) smaller scale fuel cells can only help increase our engineering knowledge of them and decrease the amount of extra infrastructure needed to get fuel cells in more places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
