pop 0 #1 March 3, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/02/killer.nurse/index.html Here is a man that killed 40 innocent people, and now gets lfe in prison. Guess who gets to dish out the cash to keep this lovely member of the society alive....you guessed...YOU the TAX PAYER! Go team!!!7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 March 3, 2006 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/02/killer.nurse/index.html Here is a man that killed 40 innocent people, and now gets lfe in prison. Guess who gets to dish out the cash to keep this lovely member of the society alive....you guessed...YOU the TAX PAYER! well, if it's just about cost, executions have been shown to be more expensive. It's possible the economics can change, but don't believe it has at this time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #3 March 3, 2006 www.comptroller.state.tn.us/orea/reports/deathpenalty.pdf Just one state's analysis. Others have reached exactly the same conclusions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #4 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuotehttp://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/02/killer.nurse/index.html Here is a man that killed 40 innocent people, and now gets lfe in prison. Guess who gets to dish out the cash to keep this lovely member of the society alive....you guessed...YOU the TAX PAYER! well, if it's just about cost, executions have been shown to be more expensive. It's possible the economics can change, but don't believe it has at this time. They cost so much beacuse of the endless appeals Give the worthless scum one state and one federal appeal then kill them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #5 March 3, 2006 It's a shame. This clown should be sentenced to hang and allowed only one appeal (only if the defence can present a hell of an argument for one) which would be expedited in the interest of providing the victim's families with a sense of closure and justice. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #6 March 3, 2006 QuoteIt's a shame. This clown should be sentenced to hang and allowed only one appeal (only if the defence can present a hell of an argument for one) which would be expedited in the interest of providing the victim's families with a sense of closure and justice. Before wanting to restrict appeals, maybe you should take a look at the case of Anthony Porter, and imagine yourself in his place.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #7 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's a shame. This clown should be sentenced to hang and allowed only one appeal (only if the defence can present a hell of an argument for one) which would be expedited in the interest of providing the victim's families with a sense of closure and justice. Before wanting to restrict appeals, maybe you should take a look at the case of Anthony Porter, and imagine yourself in his place. I am not against the idea of an effective appeals process. I merely hate to see scumbag lawyers needlessly bogging down the process with red tape and leaving the victims families in limbo during that time. I don't know wher the line is drawn but at the present time the bad guys have far to much control in the system, and it comes at the expense of the victims. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 March 3, 2006 QuoteBefore wanting to restrict appeals, maybe you should take a look at the case of Anthony Porter, and imagine yourself in his place. No Way Proffesor..... these people want DEATH.. blood.. retribution.. hell most of them would want to watch...and if a few innocent people die... oh well Right To life hypocrisy taken to the normal extremes yet again... most of the same people want the death penalty and WAR.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #9 March 3, 2006 The logic of that document is flawed. It basicaly says that cases in which the death penalty is sought are more expensive because more care is taken in order to prove the guilt or innocence of the accused. Or if we flip the script, non-capital cases are getting budget cut rate trials. Weak argument.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 March 3, 2006 Quote They cost so much beacuse of the endless appeals Give the worthless scum one state and one federal appeal then kill them. I don't know how to solve that problem. Solve it without killing lots of innocents and maybe the time table can be sped up, and it becomes economical to execute. My support of the death penalty is not based on cost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #11 March 3, 2006 I would shoot him in the head at he base of his skull if it were legal...I have some old shitty .22cal I need to get rid of anyways Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #12 March 3, 2006 My guess is that he pled guilty to avoid the death sentence. Often, the prosecutors will not seek the death penalty in exchange for a guilty plea. There are some advantages to that. Do you know how much it costs to try a death penalty case? My understanding is that when adding up all the costs for an LA County death penalty trial, it comes to aroud $1.5 -2 million dollars. That's including the costs for investigations (figure probably 100-200k), experts to testify (another 100-200k), attorney time spent (DA's and defense - probably a cool million (figure 5-20 DA's workign on a murder case at any one time at an average of 75k per year, plus defense attorneys)). Add to that court costs (probably 300-500k) and time spent keeping them in a relatively expensive county jail during the trial. A non-capital trial costs less. Way less. Probably less than half of a non-cap trial. If the defendant pleas out, you may have saved 1.5 million dollars in the trial phase, which would more than make up for the relative costs of incarceration. Think of going through all that and still having some jurors who recommend a life without parole sentence. I support the death penalty politically and morally. Economically, I don't see any real benefit. And I sure as hell will not support foregoing procedural protections and appeal when someone's life is on the line.. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #13 March 3, 2006 If we followed your plan, the 123 innocent people listed below would be dead. The longest time between conviction and sentencing to exoneration was 30 years. One man died in prison and was exonerated after his death. As long as we keep making mistakes like this, the cost of the death penalty is too high. 1. David Keaton FL 2 Samuel A. Poole NC 3 Wilbert Lee FL 4 Freddie Pitts FL 5 James Creamer GA 6 Christopher Spicer NC 7 Thomas Gladish NM 8 Richard Greer NM 9 Ronald Keine NM 10 Clarence Smith NM 11 Delbert Tibbs FL 12 Earl Charles GA 13 Jonathan Treadway AZ 14 Gary Beeman OH 15 Jerry Banks GA 16 Larry Hicks IN 17 Charles Ray Giddens OK 18 Michael Linder SC 19 Johnny Ross LA 20 Ernest (Shuhaa) Graham CA 21 Annibal Jaramillo FL 22 Lawyer Johnson MA 23 Larry Fisher MS 24 Anthony Brown FL 25 Neil Ferber PA 26 Clifford Henry Bowen OK 27 Joseph Green Brown FL 28 Perry Cobb IL 29 Darby (Williams) Tillis IL 30 Vernon McManus TX 31 Anthony Ray Peek 32 Juan Ramos FL 33 Robert Wallace GA 34 Richard Neal Jones OK 35 Willie Brown FL 36 Larry Troy FL 37 Randall Dale Adams 38 Robert Cox 39 Timothy Hennis NC 40 James Richardson FL 41 Clarence Brandley TX 42 John C. Skelton TX 43 Dale Johnston OH 44 Jimmy Lee Mathers AZ 45 Gary Nelson GA 46 Bradley P. Scott FL 47 Charles Smith IN 48 Jay C. Smith PA 49 Kirk Bloodsworth 50 Federico M. Macias 51 Walter McMillian AL 52 Gregory R. Wilhoit OK 53 James Robison AZ 54 Muneer Deeb TX 55 Andrew Golden FL 56 Joseph Burrows IL 57 Adolph Munson OK 58 Robert Charles Cruz AZ 59 Rolando Cruz IL 60 Alejandro Hernandez 61 Sabrina Butler MS 62 Verneal Jimerson IL 63 Dennis Williams IL 64 Roberto Miranda NV 65 Gary Gauger IL 66 Troy Lee Jones CA 67 Carl Lawson IL 68 David Wayne Grannis AZ 69 Ricardo Aldape Guerra TX 70 Benjamin Harris WA 71 Robert Hayes FL 72 Christopher McCrimmon AZ 73 Randall Padgett AL 74 James Bo Cochran AL 75 Robert Lee Miller, Jr. OK 76 Curtis Kyles LA 77 Shareef Cousin LA 78 Anthony Porter IL 79 Steven Smith IL 80 Ronald Williamson OK 81 Ronald Jones IL 82 Clarence Dexter, Jr. MO 83 Warren Douglas Manning SC 84 Alfred Rivera NC 85 Steve Manning IL 86 Eric Clemmons MO 87 Joseph Nahume Green 88 Earl Washington VA 89 William Nieves PA 90 Frank Lee Smith ** died prior to exoneration FL 91 Michael Graham LA 92 Albert Burrell LA 93 Oscar Lee Morris CA 94 Peter Limone MA 95 Gary Drinkard AL 96 Joaquin Jose Martinez FL 97 Jeremy Sheets NE 98 Charles Fain ID 99 Juan Roberto Melendez FL 100 Ray Krone AZ 101 Thomas Kimbell, Jr. PA 102 Larry Osborne KY 103 Aaron Patterson IL 104 Madison Hobley IL 105 Leroy Orange IL 106 Stanley Howard IL 107 Rudolph Holton FL 108 Lemuel Prion AZ 109 Wesley Quick AL 110 John Thompson LA 111 Timothy Howard OH 112 Gary Lamar James OH 113 Joseph Amrine MO 114 Nicholas Yarris PA 115 Alan Gell NC 116 Gordon Steidl IL 117 Laurence Adams MA 118 Dan L. Bright LA 119 Ryan Matthews LA 120 Ernest Ray Willis TX 121 Derrick Jamison OH 122 Harold Wilson PA 123 John Ballard FL In order to be included on the list, defendants must have been convicted and sentenced to death, and subsequently either: a) their conviction was overturned and they were acquitted at a re-trial, or all charges were dismissed; or b) they were given an absolute pardon by the governor based on new evidence of innocence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #14 March 3, 2006 I wonder how the victim's family would feel if it turns out later that the wrong man was executed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #15 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuote well, if it's just about cost, executions have been shown to be more expensive. It's possible the economics can change, but don't believe it has at this time. They cost so much beacuse of the endless appeals Sorry, but that's not accurate. For example, the trial of Randy Kraft, one of this country's most prolific serial killers, cost over $10 million. The TRIAL. not appeals, not execution costs. Just the trial. It costs states and counties an estimated $622,000 to lock a person up for life, estimated to be 47 years in prison. That includes appeals costs, as well as health care costs. On average, the trial would cost about $32,000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #16 March 3, 2006 Quote Sorry, but that's not accurate. For example, the trial of Randy Kraft, one of this country's most prolific serial killers, cost over $10 million. The TRIAL. not appeals, not execution costs. Just the trial. It costs states and counties an estimated $622,000 to lock a person up for life, estimated to be 47 years in prison. That includes appeals costs, as well as health care costs. On average, the trial would cost about $32,000. How does the average work out to be only 32,000, when you have one for ten million? And does that list of people come with dates? If half are blacks convicted in the less enlightened era, the numbers aren't as significant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Swoopyswoop 0 #17 March 3, 2006 You know, times have changed, laws have changed, procedings have changed, more trial lawyers, things cost money now. Court costs, attorney fees, I could go on forever. Just a mear 100 years ago we didnt have these problems as complex as we have now. There was no "serial killers" so to speak. There were outlaws that killed many however they didnt just stalk people for thrils and fun and whack them. If you had a problem with someone you squared off outside in the streets and had a duel. Or you might just go outside and beat the piss out of each other, problem solved. Of course 100 years ago if you were convicted of murder or some otherserious crime. You were held in jail until a judge arrived, you were put on trial that lasted no more than 2 days at the most, convicted, and you were hung at high noon. NO appeals, no taxpayers money spent feeding you, keeping you alive in plush luxury conditions compared to the way some people live today who are not imprisoned etc etc etc. Just seems to me it would be much chaper if we went back to the hangin days. Might send a message to some of the other scumbags in the world who may get convicted that sit on death row for 23 years. Of course I could be wrong, just my two cents "when I die, I want to go like my grandfather while im sleeping, not like the passengers riding in the car with me Swoopster A.S.S. #6 Future T.S.S holder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #18 March 3, 2006 Most DP supporters could care less about those innocent individuals. They just want revenge in the end. Hey when you make an omelet you need to break a few eggs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #19 March 3, 2006 Quote Just a mear 100 years ago we didnt have these problems as complex as we have now. There was no "serial killers" so to speak. There were outlaws that killed many however they didnt just stalk people for thrils and fun and whack them. If you had a problem with someone you squared off outside in the streets and had a duel. Or you might just go outside and beat the piss out of each other, problem solved. I think you have a very romanticized view of the past. There certainly were serial killers, starting with Jack the Ripper. And dueling...how often do you think that really happened, rather than the more common act of shooiting a guy in the back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #20 March 3, 2006 The earliest conviction date was 1963, but the majority of people on the list were convicted after 1975. As for the $32,000 average: That's the average cost of a murder trial where the prosecutor is not seeking the death penalty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #21 March 3, 2006 QuoteOn average, the trial would cost about $32,000. I think you're way low on that, Kris. A lousy civil trial for a minor car accident can cost over $40k cumulatively. Easily. I'd put a non death penalty case at $100k-150k if taken to verdict. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #22 March 3, 2006 I scanned the chart I'm looking at. See attached. It's a bit fuzzy, but you should be able to read it. It's from a study that was handed out in a class, and dated 2003. the stamp on the bottom of the page says it's from the National Institute of Corrections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pop 0 #23 March 3, 2006 QuoteJust seems to me it would be much chaper if we went back to the hangin days. I was saying the same excat thing. Did you know that the needle used for lethal injection HAS to be sterile. HA???? There are cheap ways of killing scumbags that rape and kill little girls, murder parents, and and just plain dont do us any good!! Spending money in these sumbags is rediculous7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #24 March 3, 2006 That's gotta be only one side. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #25 March 3, 2006 State costs, I believe. The study was looking at what the death penalty cost the taxpayers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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lawrocket 3 #12 March 3, 2006 My guess is that he pled guilty to avoid the death sentence. Often, the prosecutors will not seek the death penalty in exchange for a guilty plea. There are some advantages to that. Do you know how much it costs to try a death penalty case? My understanding is that when adding up all the costs for an LA County death penalty trial, it comes to aroud $1.5 -2 million dollars. That's including the costs for investigations (figure probably 100-200k), experts to testify (another 100-200k), attorney time spent (DA's and defense - probably a cool million (figure 5-20 DA's workign on a murder case at any one time at an average of 75k per year, plus defense attorneys)). Add to that court costs (probably 300-500k) and time spent keeping them in a relatively expensive county jail during the trial. A non-capital trial costs less. Way less. Probably less than half of a non-cap trial. If the defendant pleas out, you may have saved 1.5 million dollars in the trial phase, which would more than make up for the relative costs of incarceration. Think of going through all that and still having some jurors who recommend a life without parole sentence. I support the death penalty politically and morally. Economically, I don't see any real benefit. And I sure as hell will not support foregoing procedural protections and appeal when someone's life is on the line.. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #13 March 3, 2006 If we followed your plan, the 123 innocent people listed below would be dead. The longest time between conviction and sentencing to exoneration was 30 years. One man died in prison and was exonerated after his death. As long as we keep making mistakes like this, the cost of the death penalty is too high. 1. David Keaton FL 2 Samuel A. Poole NC 3 Wilbert Lee FL 4 Freddie Pitts FL 5 James Creamer GA 6 Christopher Spicer NC 7 Thomas Gladish NM 8 Richard Greer NM 9 Ronald Keine NM 10 Clarence Smith NM 11 Delbert Tibbs FL 12 Earl Charles GA 13 Jonathan Treadway AZ 14 Gary Beeman OH 15 Jerry Banks GA 16 Larry Hicks IN 17 Charles Ray Giddens OK 18 Michael Linder SC 19 Johnny Ross LA 20 Ernest (Shuhaa) Graham CA 21 Annibal Jaramillo FL 22 Lawyer Johnson MA 23 Larry Fisher MS 24 Anthony Brown FL 25 Neil Ferber PA 26 Clifford Henry Bowen OK 27 Joseph Green Brown FL 28 Perry Cobb IL 29 Darby (Williams) Tillis IL 30 Vernon McManus TX 31 Anthony Ray Peek 32 Juan Ramos FL 33 Robert Wallace GA 34 Richard Neal Jones OK 35 Willie Brown FL 36 Larry Troy FL 37 Randall Dale Adams 38 Robert Cox 39 Timothy Hennis NC 40 James Richardson FL 41 Clarence Brandley TX 42 John C. Skelton TX 43 Dale Johnston OH 44 Jimmy Lee Mathers AZ 45 Gary Nelson GA 46 Bradley P. Scott FL 47 Charles Smith IN 48 Jay C. Smith PA 49 Kirk Bloodsworth 50 Federico M. Macias 51 Walter McMillian AL 52 Gregory R. Wilhoit OK 53 James Robison AZ 54 Muneer Deeb TX 55 Andrew Golden FL 56 Joseph Burrows IL 57 Adolph Munson OK 58 Robert Charles Cruz AZ 59 Rolando Cruz IL 60 Alejandro Hernandez 61 Sabrina Butler MS 62 Verneal Jimerson IL 63 Dennis Williams IL 64 Roberto Miranda NV 65 Gary Gauger IL 66 Troy Lee Jones CA 67 Carl Lawson IL 68 David Wayne Grannis AZ 69 Ricardo Aldape Guerra TX 70 Benjamin Harris WA 71 Robert Hayes FL 72 Christopher McCrimmon AZ 73 Randall Padgett AL 74 James Bo Cochran AL 75 Robert Lee Miller, Jr. OK 76 Curtis Kyles LA 77 Shareef Cousin LA 78 Anthony Porter IL 79 Steven Smith IL 80 Ronald Williamson OK 81 Ronald Jones IL 82 Clarence Dexter, Jr. MO 83 Warren Douglas Manning SC 84 Alfred Rivera NC 85 Steve Manning IL 86 Eric Clemmons MO 87 Joseph Nahume Green 88 Earl Washington VA 89 William Nieves PA 90 Frank Lee Smith ** died prior to exoneration FL 91 Michael Graham LA 92 Albert Burrell LA 93 Oscar Lee Morris CA 94 Peter Limone MA 95 Gary Drinkard AL 96 Joaquin Jose Martinez FL 97 Jeremy Sheets NE 98 Charles Fain ID 99 Juan Roberto Melendez FL 100 Ray Krone AZ 101 Thomas Kimbell, Jr. PA 102 Larry Osborne KY 103 Aaron Patterson IL 104 Madison Hobley IL 105 Leroy Orange IL 106 Stanley Howard IL 107 Rudolph Holton FL 108 Lemuel Prion AZ 109 Wesley Quick AL 110 John Thompson LA 111 Timothy Howard OH 112 Gary Lamar James OH 113 Joseph Amrine MO 114 Nicholas Yarris PA 115 Alan Gell NC 116 Gordon Steidl IL 117 Laurence Adams MA 118 Dan L. Bright LA 119 Ryan Matthews LA 120 Ernest Ray Willis TX 121 Derrick Jamison OH 122 Harold Wilson PA 123 John Ballard FL In order to be included on the list, defendants must have been convicted and sentenced to death, and subsequently either: a) their conviction was overturned and they were acquitted at a re-trial, or all charges were dismissed; or b) they were given an absolute pardon by the governor based on new evidence of innocence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #14 March 3, 2006 I wonder how the victim's family would feel if it turns out later that the wrong man was executed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #15 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuote well, if it's just about cost, executions have been shown to be more expensive. It's possible the economics can change, but don't believe it has at this time. They cost so much beacuse of the endless appeals Sorry, but that's not accurate. For example, the trial of Randy Kraft, one of this country's most prolific serial killers, cost over $10 million. The TRIAL. not appeals, not execution costs. Just the trial. It costs states and counties an estimated $622,000 to lock a person up for life, estimated to be 47 years in prison. That includes appeals costs, as well as health care costs. On average, the trial would cost about $32,000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 March 3, 2006 Quote Sorry, but that's not accurate. For example, the trial of Randy Kraft, one of this country's most prolific serial killers, cost over $10 million. The TRIAL. not appeals, not execution costs. Just the trial. It costs states and counties an estimated $622,000 to lock a person up for life, estimated to be 47 years in prison. That includes appeals costs, as well as health care costs. On average, the trial would cost about $32,000. How does the average work out to be only 32,000, when you have one for ten million? And does that list of people come with dates? If half are blacks convicted in the less enlightened era, the numbers aren't as significant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swoopyswoop 0 #17 March 3, 2006 You know, times have changed, laws have changed, procedings have changed, more trial lawyers, things cost money now. Court costs, attorney fees, I could go on forever. Just a mear 100 years ago we didnt have these problems as complex as we have now. There was no "serial killers" so to speak. There were outlaws that killed many however they didnt just stalk people for thrils and fun and whack them. If you had a problem with someone you squared off outside in the streets and had a duel. Or you might just go outside and beat the piss out of each other, problem solved. Of course 100 years ago if you were convicted of murder or some otherserious crime. You were held in jail until a judge arrived, you were put on trial that lasted no more than 2 days at the most, convicted, and you were hung at high noon. NO appeals, no taxpayers money spent feeding you, keeping you alive in plush luxury conditions compared to the way some people live today who are not imprisoned etc etc etc. Just seems to me it would be much chaper if we went back to the hangin days. Might send a message to some of the other scumbags in the world who may get convicted that sit on death row for 23 years. Of course I could be wrong, just my two cents "when I die, I want to go like my grandfather while im sleeping, not like the passengers riding in the car with me Swoopster A.S.S. #6 Future T.S.S holder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #18 March 3, 2006 Most DP supporters could care less about those innocent individuals. They just want revenge in the end. Hey when you make an omelet you need to break a few eggs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #19 March 3, 2006 Quote Just a mear 100 years ago we didnt have these problems as complex as we have now. There was no "serial killers" so to speak. There were outlaws that killed many however they didnt just stalk people for thrils and fun and whack them. If you had a problem with someone you squared off outside in the streets and had a duel. Or you might just go outside and beat the piss out of each other, problem solved. I think you have a very romanticized view of the past. There certainly were serial killers, starting with Jack the Ripper. And dueling...how often do you think that really happened, rather than the more common act of shooiting a guy in the back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #20 March 3, 2006 The earliest conviction date was 1963, but the majority of people on the list were convicted after 1975. As for the $32,000 average: That's the average cost of a murder trial where the prosecutor is not seeking the death penalty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #21 March 3, 2006 QuoteOn average, the trial would cost about $32,000. I think you're way low on that, Kris. A lousy civil trial for a minor car accident can cost over $40k cumulatively. Easily. I'd put a non death penalty case at $100k-150k if taken to verdict. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #22 March 3, 2006 I scanned the chart I'm looking at. See attached. It's a bit fuzzy, but you should be able to read it. It's from a study that was handed out in a class, and dated 2003. the stamp on the bottom of the page says it's from the National Institute of Corrections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #23 March 3, 2006 QuoteJust seems to me it would be much chaper if we went back to the hangin days. I was saying the same excat thing. Did you know that the needle used for lethal injection HAS to be sterile. HA???? There are cheap ways of killing scumbags that rape and kill little girls, murder parents, and and just plain dont do us any good!! Spending money in these sumbags is rediculous7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #24 March 3, 2006 That's gotta be only one side. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #25 March 3, 2006 State costs, I believe. The study was looking at what the death penalty cost the taxpayers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
