warpedskydiver 0 #1 March 2, 2006 NRA Sues Mayor Ray Nagin Fairfax, VA-The National Rifle Association (NRA ) has filed a motion for contempt against the City of New Orleans, the mayor and the acting chief of police for failure to comply with a temporary restraining order, handed down September 12, 2005, ordering an end to all illegal gun confiscations. "With looters, rapists and other thugs running rampant in New Orleans, Ray Nagin issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens," declared Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive vice president. "With no law enforcement and 911 available, he left the victims vulnerable by stripping away their only means of defending themselves and their loved ones. Now Ray Nagin thinks he's above the law, and that's just wrong." Attorneys for NRA have exhausted all efforts to cooperate with the defendants, Mayor Nagin and Chief Riley, who repeatedly ignored the court's permanent restraining order against their illegal gun confiscations. "Ray Nagin is a colossal disappointment," said Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist. "During a federally declared emergency, he abused his power and abandoned the very people he was sworn to protect. He took away the victims' freedom and their basic means of self-defense during an ill-fated and perilous time." The motion also includes an order that all seized firearms must be returned to their rightful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #2 March 2, 2006 Quote"With looters, rapists and other thugs running rampant in New Orleans, Ray Nagin issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens," Did he issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens or did he issue a law to disarm all citizens? Big diference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #3 March 2, 2006 QuoteQuote"With looters, rapists and other thugs running rampant in New Orleans, Ray Nagin issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens," Did he issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens or did he issue a law to disarm all citizens? Big diference. But the easiest way to identify a gun owner is those that are registered - normally the law abiding. So that's who gets started on, and likely finished there too. What would you do? authorize the random search of ALL people to make sure to get guns from the non-law-abiding citizens in addition to the law abiding? Typical - "good intentions but not even remotely thought through" thinking process ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #4 March 2, 2006 Did he issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens or did he issue a law to disarm all citizens? Big diference. Why is there a big difference? People who are breaking the law usually have weapons in their possession confiscated anyway, don't they? Does the mayor have the authority to take away people's guns? If he did not have the legal authority to do so, then he should be held accountable. That's not an acceptable infraction. Good that somebody's calling foul. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 March 2, 2006 QuoteDid he issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens or did he issue a law to disarm all citizens? Big diference. No difference at all - they are both unconstitutional. The Constitution has no provision allowing suspension of the Bill of Rights during a hurricane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #6 March 2, 2006 >No difference at all - they are both unconstitutional. I see nothing unconstitutional about depriving a criminal of rights. We do it all the time; it's called "jail." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 March 2, 2006 QuoteDoes the mayor have the authority to take away people's guns? If he did not have the legal authority to do so, then he should be held accountable. That's not an acceptable infraction. Good that somebody's calling foul. It appears that's not what's at argument here..... what is is the fact his decision to do so has been temporarily countermanded by a higher authority, an he's chosen not to obey that order. He's wrong.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #8 March 2, 2006 Does anyone expect anything less from that nutcase and his utopian "chocolate city" visions?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 March 2, 2006 Quote>No difference at all - they are both unconstitutional. I see nothing unconstitutional about depriving a criminal of rights. We do it all the time; it's called "jail." We weren't talking about the criminals. Here's the quote for you:"Did he issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens or did he issue a law to disarm all citizens? Big diference."Your choice is between "all law-abiding citizens", and "all citizens". "All citizens" does indeed include the criminals, but it also includes the law-abiding, and you shouldn't punish the law-abiding along with the criminals - that's unconstitutional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 March 2, 2006 >All citizens" does indeed include the criminals, but it also includes > the law-abiding, and you shouldn't punish the law-abiding along with > the criminals - that's unconstitutional. I agree there, although civil rights are often suspended during emergencies. Whether that's a problem or not generally depends on which party is doing the suspending. (i.e. democrat suspends second amendment temporarily - unfair! republican suspends fourth amendment - completely acceptable; we're in a war for chrissakes!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #11 March 2, 2006 Quote(i.e. democrat suspends second amendment temporarily - unfair! republican suspends fourth amendment - completely acceptable; we're in a war for chrissakes!) So do you agree with the second being suspended in this situation?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 March 2, 2006 >So do you agree with the second being suspended in this situation? Not really. Good idea in theory, and practicable on a small area (say, a refugee center or a disaster area) but not on a city-wide basis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #13 March 3, 2006 QuoteNot really. Good idea in theory, and practicable on a small area (say, a refugee center or a disaster area) but not on a city-wide basis I agree to a point here. But why would you want to disarm a honest citizen who at that time had no 911 system and a police dept who is almost non existant. Why would you want to take his form to protect himself and his property. I'm not saying you yourself but people who think everybody should turn in there firarms.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 March 3, 2006 it seems that any effort spent disarming citizens in a disaster could be better spent dealing with the crisis itself. How many of the would be criminals will present their weapons for seizure? Given New Orlean's history, it's hardly surprising they did it. Might be a good time for the people to replace all of their leaders, given their performance last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #15 March 3, 2006 Quoteit seems that any effort spent disarming citizens in a disaster could be better spent dealing with the crisis itself. How many of the would be criminals will present their weapons for seizure? I agree with this point. I bet the criminals would be lining up to turn there guns in. QuoteGiven New Orlean's history, it's hardly surprising they did it. Might be a good time for the people to replace all of their leaders, given their performance last year. This is in the works. The people down here are really pissed and from the commercials I have seen of the people running for office, Nagen and Blanco I believe will be on there way out very soon.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #16 March 3, 2006 >But why would you want to disarm a honest citizen . . . Same reason you disarm them in airports. Because it is a sensitive area, and the risk of misuse exceeds the benefits of use. (Note I said refugee center or disaster area for a limited time, not a city forever.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #17 March 3, 2006 QuoteSame reason you disarm them in airports. A hurricane ravaged area is sensitive like an airport. I see a big difference between the two. At an airport at least you have a cop to run to if you get in trouble. Cops were a little hard to come buy after the storm. ***(Note I said refugee center or disaster area for a limited time, not a city forever.) *** Hell the thugs already had guns in those places anyway.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 March 3, 2006 Quote>But why would you want to disarm a honest citizen . . . Same reason you disarm them in airports. Because it is a sensitive area, and the risk of misuse exceeds the benefits of use. (Note I said refugee center or disaster area for a limited time, not a city forever.) makes sense, so how is New Orleans doing then with the metal detectors, luggage searches, and making people take off their shoes. And that's for everybody currently in the city plus everybody entering the city.... without any civil rights complaints, etc airports are different, enclosed, 100% of the people get screened, security is very present. only leaving guns in the hands of the unlawful very much increases the risk of 'misuse' ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
