If there is Video I guess it did happen

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11627394/?GT1=7850

AFTER the STORM

Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” that gushed deadly floodwaters into New Orleans. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility — and Bush was worried too

BEFORE the STORM

WASHINGTON - In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans’ Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.

Bush didn’t ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: “We are fully prepared.”

Poor Shrub.. caught again...

[billvon 3,132]

We should have a contest to come up with the new republican word for "lie." Bush supporters get so upset when people talk about Bush lying that you can't just _say_ it. But it happens often enough that we need a way to refer to it without making them sad. How about:

unfortunate lack of veracity
honesty challenged
executive mendacity
moderate misrepresentation

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We should have a contest to come up with the new republican word for "lie." Bush supporters get so upset when people talk about Bush lying that you can't just _say_ it. But it happens often enough that we need a way to refer to it without making them sad. How about:

unfortunate lack of veracity
honesty challenged
executive mendacity
moderate misrepresentation

confused
brain dead
stupid
mistaken
drunk

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selective verbalization....

misrepresented actuality....

vocalized ineptitude

spoken dimwittedness.

reiterated bombastication.

good ole boy gobbledegoop.

... ah the hell with it.. let's just Skydive

[Gravitymaster 0]

Do you understand the difference between "topped and breached?"

[Gravitymaster 0]

For the less excitable among us who would rather read the transcripts and decide based on the facts rather than the hysterical over-hyped MSM for the weak minded, here they are.

Note that most of the concern is for flooding and wind damage and nothing is said about a levee breach. Please note in particular page 5 and 6 of the Aug. 28th meeting.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/katrinatranscript0828partia.pdf


http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/katrinatranscript0829partia.pdf

[Johnnysgirly 0]

Hey Bill.....was this the type of Republican you were talking about?

[Trent 0]

Read the transcripts, as someone already pointed out. But that probably will be meaningless to most bashers out there anyway...

There's also a difference between "possible" and "anticipated". It IS possible that evil death-monkeys will burst from your spleen, but do you anticipate it?

Oh, hello again!

[billvon 3,132]

>and nothing is said about a levee breach.

If you're really going to go on about how "topped" has nothing to do with "breached", perhaps you could educate us on how oral sex is not really sex.

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Read the transcripts, as someone already pointed out

Fuck that... look right there on the video..they say a picture is worth a thousand words... WATCH Bush... his body language says it all...

[SkyDekker 1,465]

wasn't it the topping of the levees that lead to the breach of the levees?

[Lindsey 0]

There's also a difference between "possible" and "anticipated". It IS possible that evil death-monkeys will burst from your spleen, but do you anticipate it?

I suppose if there were "evil death-monkeys" working their way through my splenic artery, I might anticipate that they'd bust through my spleen....in much the same way that it might be anticipated that levees not built to withstand a hurricane like Katrina might fail during such a storm.

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>and nothing is said about a levee breach.

If you're really going to go on about how "topped" has nothing to do with "breached", perhaps you could educate us on how oral sex is not really sex.

Topped means the levees might overflow. Breached means they might collapse. Huge difference, of course unless you are just bent on more Bush bashing. Please feel free to continue, I find it entertaining.

Breached n.

An opening, a tear, or a rupture.
A gap or rift, especially in or as if in a solid structure such as a dike or fortification.

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Please feel free to continue, I find it entertaining.

I wonder if the dead of New Orleans find it entertaining.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I'll ask again, wasn't it the topping of the levees that lead to the breaches?

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I suppose if there were "evil death-monkeys" working their way through my splenic artery, I might anticipate that they'd bust through my spleen....in much the same way that it might be anticipated that levees not built to withstand a hurricane like Katrina might fail during such a storm.

You clearly know nothing about evil death-monkeys and how they spontaneously appear.

When you walk down the street, it is possible that you will have to fight off an attacker or run from one. Do you anticipate that happening each time and wear running shoes and carry brass knuckles or a pistol? That's a better example, but people still won't like it.

People should just say they want George Bush to take control over their state and local governments so he can personally give evacuation orders since their incompetent and corrupt local officials won't do it on time.

Oh, hello again!

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I'll ask again, wasn't it the topping of the levees that lead to the breaches?

It's a difference of degree. Levees overflow during storms from time to time. It is abundently clear to anyone who bothered to read the transcripts that they are worried about the levees overflowing which would have possibly caused some flooding. Nobody thought the levees would collapse or "breach" which is what the bashers on the left want you to believe. Of course they only look more and more foolish by continuing this tirade.

Only city folk don't understand levees.

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Do you understand the difference between "topped and breached?"

Do you understand the meaning of the statement, "We are fully prepared."?

(No, I don't have time to go read the transcripts right now, and so I'll admit it's possible that said statement was taken out of context in the article).

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Dave

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(drink Mountain Dew)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

my understanding was that it was the topping of the levees that led to the breaching of them (yes I know the difference, I grew up in a country almost 80% protected by levees and dykes).

Further, it was understood that a hurricane of this magnitude could do that.

Lastly, it is clearly stated that they were supposedly "fully prepared".

The "we couldn't have known" defence really doens't fly.

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The "we couldn't have known" defence really doens't fly.

But that is not in the Daily RNC Talking points these guys get from the Reich Wing Radio they listen to.

[billvon 3,132]

>wasn't it the topping of the levees that lead to the breach of the levees?

Indeed; they were not designed to be 'topped.' Once that happened, water was free to undermine the foundations of the levee from the unprotected side.

[Hambone 0]

You know what I love, I mean really really love. I love it when people blame someone over and over again simply because they haven't seen the facts. So with that being said lets look at the facts, and explore why it is that people feel like GWB should be a shamin and able to predict the future. He may have misspoken, but who hasn't I ask you, do you hold him to a higher standard than you hold yourself?

1. Bush did not have anything to do with the construction or upkeep of the levee's, pumps or anything else keeping New Orleans afloat. Prior to Landfall of Katrina.

2. New Orleans was given some absurd amount of money not to long ago to improve their levee's and better safe guard the city from just such a catastrophie, but instead of building levee's they built a convention center, which consequently is now totally destroyed too. I want to applaud this allocation of funds.

3. If Bush had known that the levee's were going ot break there is little if anything that he could do, he declared the area a disaster area, and a mandatory evacuation was ordered.

4. He is but human, people make mistakes and if you think that being president is an easy job, get off your ass stop being an "arm chair quarterback" and give it a spin. It is arguably the hardest job in the world, so I think that he is entitled to atleast a little leway. (and yes i would be saying the same thing if it were a democrat in his place)

So thats how if shakes out. If you want to blame someone, I mean really blame someone for what happend in New Orleans, look no farther than the mayor of New Orleans (the Chocolate City) YUCK.

Yeah...You need to grow up. -Skymama

[billvon 3,132]

> I love it when people blame someone over and over again simply
> because they haven't seen the facts.

And I think it's funny when people will defend someone to the death no matter what they do.

>1. Bush did not have anything to do with the construction or upkeep
> of the levee's, pumps or anything else keeping New Orleans afloat.
> Prior to Landfall of Katrina.

In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for Lake Ponchatrain levees. From the US Army Corps of Engineers/New Orleans website:
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FY 2005 BUDGET/EFFORT. The President’s budget for fiscal year 2005 was $3.9 million. Congress increased it to $5.5 million. This was insufficient to fund new construction contracts.
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You may have missed that fact.

>2. New Orleans was given some absurd amount of money not to
>long ago to improve their levee's and better safe guard the city from
> just such a catastrophie . . .

See above.

>3. If Bush had known that the levee's were going ot break there is
> little if anything that he could do, he declared the area a disaster
> area, and a mandatory evacuation was ordered.

He could have gotten the rescue efforts moving a _lot_ faster. He appointed the head of FEMA; thus, he listens to Bush. Telling him "hey, get on this and start answering your people in the field" might have prevented some of the miscommunication that occurred after the hurricane.

Keep in mind that as of Thursday of that week, he was still unaware of what was going on there. (The levees broke Monday.) An aide made him a DVD of news reports so he could get 'up to speed' before he went down there.

Newsweek sums this sort of competence up pretty well:
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The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.

How this could be—how the president of the United States could have even less “situational awareness,” as they say in the military, than the average American about the worst natural disaster in a century—is one of the more perplexing and troubling chapters in a story that, despite moments of heroism and acts of great generosity, ranks as a national disgrace.
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>4. He is but human, people make mistakes and if you think that
> being president is an easy job, get off your ass stop being an "arm
> chair quarterback" and give it a spin.

I have no problem with people making mistakes. I do have a big problem with people making massive mistakes and then saying "there's nothing anyone could have done. No one could have predicted this." Because that means that the NEXT time someone predicts a storm like this, the same thing will happen. You really want another disaster of this magnitude because republicans cannot stomach the idea that their president screwed up?

>If you want to blame someone, I mean really blame someone
>for what happend in New Orleans, look no farther than the mayor of
> New Orleans . . .

Hey, if you think that being mayor is an easy job, get off your ass stop being an "arm chair quarterback" and give it a spin.

[Hambone 0]

Ok, Fair points, I must admit. I don't understand where the idea comes from that if they missused the money before then they won't this time. Is that not a typical feeling?

As for him not knowing what was going on, I must admit that I did not know that. I am a little hazy on what exactly you mean by rescue efforts, any way you cut it you still have hundreds of thousands of people that refused to evacuate stuck in NO that they have to get out. (I am not trying to defend him mistakes that were made, we all know that mistakes were made. i think that what i am trying to say here is that basically it would seem as though he can do no right. This is an indisputable fact, as president every decision you make effects someone, but the fact that he can't do right by parts of the left no matter what he does irks me a little bit. I will admit that he has made mistakes, that being said you can tell me that the mistakes that were made by Bush following Katrina were created be situations that could have been eleviated prior to landfall had the mayor not had his head up his ass. Yes it's true i don't like Nagan, infact i think that he is not mentally right. He has effectively commited political and professional suicide several times. He did use the money to build the convention center, you didn't dispute that. He does make ridiculous claims, and statments on an almost daily basis, but this isn't about him or what he said. And truthfully i think that you or i could do a much better job than Ray Nagan.)
I know my grammer sucks but please don't let that detract from my message.

Yeah...You need to grow up. -Skymama

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But it happens often enough that we need a way to refer to it without making them sad. How about:

....politician

for example:
Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” that gushed deadly floodwaters into New Orleans. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility — and Bush was worried too

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