PhreeZone 20 #26 March 1, 2006 I'm thinking Jeb is going to take a shot at the GOP nomination.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #27 March 1, 2006 >Bill are you a Liberatarian in Liberals clothing? I believe in a lot of the same principles that the libertarians do. I'm not a libertarian because they are currently extremists. If they ever start winning elections, their platforms will start evolving into real-world positions, and I might call myself one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #28 March 1, 2006 I think you would see Je$$e Jack$on and Al $harpton spontaneously combust if that happened. I'm a stereotypical JACKASS Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 March 1, 2006 QuoteI'm thinking Jeb is going to take a shot at the GOP nomination. A relative of a president running for president? That's ridiculous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #30 March 1, 2006 QuoteIt doesn't matter what the dems do. They are done. They are consistently losing at ALL LEVELS. The repubs could put Charles Manson on the ticket and he would still beat the best thing the dems can muster. I'll limit this to Presidential, since it's easiest. Well, I wouldn't quite go THAT far. But, the Dems are have been having problems fielding candidates. I think it is the "MoveOn.Org" problem. The Dems are visibly and unabashedly leaning towards that portion of the party, which is why candidates like Kerry are being put out there. The GOP is similar, but far more subtle. The GOP gives the APPEARANCE of moderation (personally, I think a lot of the fiscal policies are downright liberal - we've got Keynesians running the show). But, the GOP candidates appear more centrist that the Dem candidates. Once that balances out, - once the Dems find a candidate who is centrist who can win a Dem POTUS candidacy, they'll stand a good chance of winning. The problem with the Dems is that a centrist can't seem to win the nomination. There are good centrist candidates out there. The names being floated, Hillary Clinton, Kerry again, are more liberal. Guys like Joe Biden couldn't get a Democratic nomination because his support of the war in Iraq qould be a death-knell for a majority of Dem voters. Evan Bayh might be a decent candidate with a chance against a Republican. Bill Richardson is someone I would actually consider voting for from the Dem side. The GOP, however, would probably do well to put someone like Mitt Romney out there front and center. To think that a Republican from BYU can win the governorship of Massachussetts says something about the guy, doesn't it? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 March 1, 2006 QuoteI would think that they would be happy to see a president that was both black and female, even if she is a Repbublican... (but that's probably just wishful thinking on my part)... I think that's just wishful thinking on your part. (Actually, I think most of the average dems would be happy to see those demographics as a matter of something new in a cosmetic sort of way but not impressed as performance should matter more than skin tone or gender (just like most average republican citizens or anyone else), some spinter of the rabid dems would also because they are indignant concerning cosmetic traits and this would give them something to crow about, the last FEW percent are so partisan that they'd be infuriated and make excuses about how she's not REALLY black and not REALLY a woman so it doesn't count in those two groups that they consider they OWN - they've already done that and it was disgusting. I think this is the group that the original post is talking about - they are very visible in politics lately, aren't they?) (and yes, I can draw a similar set of groupings from my biases against the republicans too - but I won't as someone else will anyway - and they won't credit the majority that are decent middle of the road types which I did - and it'll be a bit more viscious in tone. But I could just be assuming something that won't happen) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 March 1, 2006 QuoteGuys like Joe Biden couldn't get a Democratic nomination because his support of the war in Iraq qould be a death-knell for a majority of Dem voters. Biden? Sheesh - I was in high school when he was getting trashed for plagiarism. Talk about warmed over shit. Gore was bad enough! Jeb going for the Bush hat trick would be a sad ending. Each one is a pale copy of the man before. But lacking serious alternatives (hadn't thought about McCain's age), the party may latch onto him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #33 March 1, 2006 QuoteI'm a liberal. Why would I throw a fit? She'd surely be better than GWB. Gary Coleman or Michael Jackson would both be better than GWB, when I say "Anybody But Bush", I literally mean anybody (Jennifer Aniston ? Sure, why not....). I don't think Condi's interested though, what I hear is she wants to get back to Stanford. To which I might add the sooner the better. But if she wants to run, okay, bring it on. Let's have a Condi v. Hillary election and let the chips lie where they fall. Why not ! Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #34 March 2, 2006 Quote After McCain, the GOP are in no better shape for 2008. The right has McCain. The dems, have nothing and no one. They are done. They are the Whigs of the 21st century. The sooner they fold altogether, the better.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #35 March 2, 2006 QuoteAnd as the polls show, people are shifting over to the lesser of two evils. What polls? The only numbers I've seen indicate that the left, formerly represented by the dems, is fading fast. Limited to only those enclaves in the northeastern cities and no where else.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #36 March 2, 2006 On the morning of 11-3-06 the only news will be just how stunning the dems were defeated yet again at the polls. The dems will continue to loose seats in both the house and senate. We on the left will simply have to get used to it.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #37 March 2, 2006 Quote*** The GOP is similar, but far more subtle. The GOP gives the APPEARANCE of moderation (personally, I think a lot of the fiscal policies are downright liberal - we've got Keynesians running the show). ? I think the fiscal policies are downright irresponsible, and I am supposedly a liberal.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #38 March 2, 2006 QuoteThere's some polling going on indicating that Condoleeza Rice has the approval to make a serious bid for the Presidency in 2008. Personally, I don't think she has a big chance. Though I'm not his biggest fan (thanks to some 80's scandals) I think McCain has the best chance - more than anyone, he can beat any Democrat. But can you imagine the fit liberals and the Democratic prty leadership will throw if that happens? Could there be a bigger nightmare for them than the first female president and the first black president being a Republican? Really. Having a former college professor would please the Republicans? Has the world turned upside down?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #39 March 2, 2006 >What polls? Approval polls. "Who would you vote for" polls. "Which party is doing a better job" polls. Heck, Bush's approval rating is at 34 percent; a new low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #40 March 2, 2006 Quote The Dems are visibly and unabashedly leaning towards that portion of the party, which is why candidates like Kerry are being put out there. No they are not. They are trying to become conservative. In doing so they have abandoned the liberals who made up their base. But the voters on the right whom they are courting are not fooled for one minute by this and will never switch. While they turned their back on the left and failed to get the right, they are left with nothing. That is what has caused their demise. Quote The GOP is similar, but far more subtle. The GOP gives the APPEARANCE of moderation . I don't see anything subtle about the GOP's modus operandi. They have been (willingly) taken over by the religious extremists who have established a de facto political machine in the form of church voter guides and thinly veiled rhetoric that demonizes the preceived enemies of the chosen political party. What is subtle about that? Quote There are good centrist candidates out there. No there is not. There is not even a good liberal candidate out there.. Quote The names being floated, Hillary Clinton, Kerry again, are more liberal. For whom the right wing propaganda machine is chomping at the bit to go after, and for which the dems are totaly defenseless. QuoteBill Richardson is someone I would actually consider voting for from the Dem side. Richardson got caught lying on his resume. He is done. We on the left just simply have to get used to the fact we have completely lost our political voice. We will never again have a voice unless and until we create a new party that can both win and counter the rhetoric from the right.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #41 March 2, 2006 Yeah, but look that polls that say if they would or would not vote democratic. They are all overwhelmingly against the dems.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #42 March 2, 2006 Yep. And he'll probably get it too.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #43 March 2, 2006 QuoteThere's some polling going on indicating that Condoleeza Rice has the approval to make a serious bid for the Presidency in 2008. Personally, I don't think she has a big chance. Though I'm not his biggest fan (thanks to some 80's scandals) I think McCain has the best chance - more than anyone, he can beat any Democrat. But can you imagine the fit liberals and the Democratic party leadership will throw if that happens? Could there be a bigger nightmare for them than the first female president and the first black president being a Republican? I don't understand why this would be an issue. The media would and special interest groups would hype the spin...but hopefully after a while the track record of the Republicans and her platform would be what matters. lol wow, I actually got that out without laughing. Maybe you are right, this would be a good move. There is no long term memory, people DO believe the media hype and no one cares about the issues. Politics is the 4 year version of reality TV. Maybe Simon from American Idol can run the presidential debates. This could be a move from Karl Rove. Apparently he has voiced that Cheeny needs to retire this year and that Mrs Clinton is their biggest threat (and has started working to spin against her)._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 1010 #44 March 2, 2006 Quote The GOP, however, would probably do well to put someone like Mitt Romney out there front and center. To think that a Republican from BYU can win the governorship of Massachussetts says something about the guy, doesn't it? ding ding ding we have a winner, but yes it's early yet. "Romney-Rice" has a nice ring to it though. The Demos would be silly not to have a good looking guy like Bayh on their ticket, but they do silly things. The Alito hearings displayed the disarray of the Demos, which is just plain lucky for the Repubs cause they don't have much to show for the past many years. You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 1010 #45 March 2, 2006 >Maybe Simon from American Idol can run the presidential debates. best idea I've heard today! Heck with the debates, let Simon pick the nominees! You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #46 March 2, 2006 QuoteIf they ever start winning elections, their platforms will start evolving into real-world positions . . . Switch those around and you'd be right -- and I'd be one too in that case. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdfreefly 1 #47 March 2, 2006 I don't think Rice can get the nomination, because she would be too liberal for the neo-cons in the party. I don't think McCain won't get the nomination because big business won't support him. The republicans have become arrogant from their recent success, and I think this arrogance will cause them to swing even farther to the right than they already are. The end result will be them nominating someone who is incredibly distasteful to the populace.(jeb bush anyone?) The democrats, are also becoming arrogant. Listen to them talk, they believe the 2008 election is going to be won by a democrat, no matter who they nominate. The end result of this will be that they nominate a candidate who is just as distasteful to the american public as the republican candidate.(billary?) In my hopeful opinion, this leaves the country set perfectly for a solid third party candidate to come to the forefront. Wouldn't it be nice to have a candidate we voted for because we believed in them? The current system of voting against the one we don't want to win does not seem to be working too well. I really hope that this happens, but it is most likely wishful thinking. If it does happen, they will probably get assassinated anyway or hamstrung by congress. Methane Freefly - got stink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontbounce 0 #48 March 2, 2006 QuoteThere's some polling going on indicating that Condoleeza Rice has the approval to make a serious bid for the Presidency in 2008. Personally, I don't think she has a big chance. Though I'm not his biggest fan (thanks to some 80's scandals) I think McCain has the best chance - more than anyone, he can beat any Democrat. But can you imagine the fit liberals and the Democratic prty leadership will throw if that happens? Could there be a bigger nightmare for them than the first female president and the first black president being a Republican? Um, I am a hardcore democrat, and (IMHO) the only thing less likely than Hillary Clinton being elected in 2008 is a black female with buck teeth that was a card carrying member of an administration that will likely be viewed as the biggest political failure in American history. Not that having a Black Female President is a bad thing, its just that you are more likely to have gomer pyle (yes I know), or Santa Claus, or Big Bird. Don't forget that there are still lots of racist, woman-hating bumpkins in the red states. Democrates won't vote her because she is a member of the "evil empire". Most republicans wouldnt support her either because she is black, she is female, she is a member of the "evil empire" or some other reason. Remember, there are at least 52 million idiots in this country. We tested that in 2004. Just my $0.02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontbounce 0 #49 March 2, 2006 In 2004, I was rooting for General Wes Clark. He has an IQ of about 170, and the reason he could not win the support of the people is because his jokes were so deep, nobody got them until the next day (especially in the red states...). I think we need somebody that is extremely intelligent in the White House to clean up the horrible mess our stupid ass president and his crack squad of foreign policy advisors have put us in. We also need somebody with real battlefield leadership experience (besides landing on an aircraft carrier and declaring "mission accomplished" two years ago). Somebody that knows how to fight a war, and also somebody with the courage to cut his losses when the price becomes too high. We need somebody with balls, because we are in a world of shit in Iraq, and it is getting worse by the day. 2,350 dead soldiers (remember the 2000 mark, when it was all over the TV?). There are also 15,000 soldiers severely wounded and still counting with no end in sight... I imagine now that we are sinking into civil war there, that number will grow quickly. We need a "Real" commander in chief, not a semi-retarded redneck puppet that isn't permitted to speak out loud unless he is wearing an earpiece and actively being handled by his political advisors. Feel free to attack me personally... I can take it... [edited to remove the most incendiary comments] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #50 March 2, 2006 QuoteOh the irony. I do believe it would be what would finally put Ted Kennedy in the grave. We can hope anyway. Maybe Teddy could take a nice little ride in a Saratoga through IMC. Oh the irony of that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
