warpedskydiver 0 #1 February 20, 2006 Bin Laden Vows Never to Be Captured Alive By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer 3 hours ago Exiled Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden is seen in ... CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden vowed never to be captured alive and said the U.S. military had become as "barbaric" as Saddam Hussein in an audiotape reposted on a militant Islamic Web site after first being broadcast last month. In the tape posted to the Web site Monday, bin Laden offered the United States a long-term truce but also said his al-Qaida terror network would soon launch a fresh attack on American soil. The tape was initially broadcast Jan. 19 on Al-Jazeera, the pan-Arab satellite channel. Islamic militant Web forums often repost messages from al-Qaida leaders to ensure sympathizers can see them. U.S. intelligence officials confirmed that last month's tape was of bin Laden _ making it his first message in more than a year. "I have sworn to only live free. Even if I find bitter the taste of death, I don't want to die humiliated or deceived," bin Laden said, in the 11-minute, 26-second tape. In drawing the comparison to American military behavior in Iraq to that of Saddam, he said: "The jihad (holy war) is ongoing, thank God, despite all the oppressive measures adopted by the U.S. Army and its agents (which has reached) a point where there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality." Bin Laden also denied Bush administration assertions that it was better to fight terrorists in Iraq than on U.S. soil. "The reality shows that the war against America and its allies has not been limited to Iraq as he (Bush) claims. Iraq has become a point of attraction and restorer of (our) energies," he said. The last audiotape purported to be from bin Laden was broadcast in December 2004 by Al-Jazeera. In that recording, he endorsed Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi as his deputy in Iraq and called for a boycott of Iraqi elections. Associated Press reporter Omar Sinan contributed to this report. Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Quote Cool I hope he lives up to his promise! I have friends that would love to be the one who kills him, personally up close, in a cruel and inhumane way...just the way he likes it! He deserves No Quarter whatsoever as he has given none! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 42 #2 February 20, 2006 It would be nice to help him fulfil his promise! "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #3 February 20, 2006 QuoteIt would be nice to help him fulfil his promise! it certainly would! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #4 February 21, 2006 QuoteBin Laden Vows Never to Be Captured Alive ...Good! He doesn't need to be captured alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #5 February 21, 2006 Old , old, old newsI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rmsmith 1 #6 February 21, 2006 I always imagined Bin Laden's digs right next to Noriega, one of 'em holding a small mirror so that they can see each other while they discuss the good 'ol days like blue skies, etc., for eternity. Dinner? You bet, a nice pork dish coming right up! Death would just be too dammed easy, IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #7 February 21, 2006 Carlos The Jackal Carlos the Jackal sits in a French prison still. Quote He claims his rights were violated by being held in solitary confinement for eight years from 1994 until 2002. He says he was kept in a small cell and only let out for a two-hour daily walk. A lower chamber of the court ruled last year that the treatment did not violate the European Convention on Human Rights. It said special measures had been needed to detain a man once regarded as the most dangerous terrorist in the world. Carlos, a 56-year-old Venezuelan, gained international notoriety as a mastermind of deadly bombings, assassinations and hostage-takings. It said special measures had been needed to detain a man once regarded as the most dangerous terrorist in the world. Carlos, a 56-year-old Venezuelan, gained international notoriety as a mastermind of deadly bombings, assassinations and hostage-takings. Carlos was once regarded as the most deadly terrorist in Europe. Anyone thought of him in 15 years ? Nope. OBL value dead vs alive: 1- His importance as a live figurehead vs a dead martyr. One more chubby jailbird would be less powerful than a martyr for publicity. 2- Where is his money ? Loss of that would have an operational impact. Live, we get his money and shut down a lot of stuff. 3- His organizational skills. Captured, he must be isolated. Put him in a room and then make the room disappear. Then go into the room and chat. That could have value. Personally, I don't think he would allow himself to be captured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,098 #8 February 21, 2006 >It said special measures had been needed to detain a man once >regarded as the most dangerous terrorist in the world. I am hoping that in 15 years we consider OBL in the same light. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #9 February 21, 2006 My hope is that the Hogs don't get food poisoning or indigestion...he deserves to pass through the entrails of a pig before meeting his maker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,098 #10 February 21, 2006 >he deserves to pass through the entrails of a pig before meeting his maker Someone else's suffering doesn't make me feel any better, even if they are bad. I guess I'm odd that way. I just want the threat removed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #11 February 21, 2006 Captured dead would be fine by me, but that might make him a martyr in the eyes of some, which would inspire future pieces of shyte to follow in his footsteps. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #12 February 21, 2006 QuoteQuotehe deserves to pass through the entrails of a pig before meeting his maker Someone else's suffering doesn't make me feel any better, even if they are bad. I guess I'm odd that way. I just want the threat removed. Odd or not, it's hard to argue in favor of wrath. I think it would do us best to capture him, and then have whatever comes next be as long... boring... drawn-out... and anti-climactic as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #13 February 21, 2006 QuoteI think it would do us best to capture him, and then have whatever comes next be as long... boring... drawn-out... and anti-climactic as possible. About 6 months of sitting in a quiet place on a lot of good drugs with a patient listener... That could provide a wealth of information. Destruction of networks, training, infrastructure. If you take away some of the tools, it becomes harder to do the tasks. To me, causing him harm is secondary to the goal of damaging the effectiveness of his organization. Carlos the Jackal terrorized Europe, and a good part of the world, for years. Now he harmlessly sits in a French prison. Of course, Carlos outlived his intelligence usefulness years ago... When they lose their value, there is always time to whack them later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nopullmike 0 #14 February 21, 2006 Who wants another Saddam sitting in a courtroom.. Why provide these snakes a forum to spit their venom. Kill them and be done with it. If more snakes are compelled to join the fight because of his death, so be it. They can get in line and see him in hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #15 February 21, 2006 QuoteIf more snakes are compelled to join the fight... A hydra is a many-headed snake. Wouldn't you want to get all of them ? Who do you think knows ? Wouldn't it be handy to ask OBL where the main snake pit is ? Maybe bomb the crap out of it ? Instead of just "the right hand man", may the top 200 ? Party invitations from the personal computer of the man himself. There is a lot of remote places in the Sudan, Congo, and Pakistan where terrorists live. If you find the money, they get to stay home. No expensive training, weapons, explosives, or travel to other places. We need to ask OBL how his organization is funded. How the money is transferred, to whom. Probably a new organization will pop up, but asking OBL a lot of these types of questions will put the brakes on this one. Kill him immediately and it will continue to function. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 21, 2006 Always follow the money, then you will see who the true terrorists are!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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IanHarrop 42 #2 February 20, 2006 It would be nice to help him fulfil his promise! "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #3 February 20, 2006 QuoteIt would be nice to help him fulfil his promise! it certainly would! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #4 February 21, 2006 QuoteBin Laden Vows Never to Be Captured Alive ...Good! He doesn't need to be captured alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #5 February 21, 2006 Old , old, old newsI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #6 February 21, 2006 I always imagined Bin Laden's digs right next to Noriega, one of 'em holding a small mirror so that they can see each other while they discuss the good 'ol days like blue skies, etc., for eternity. Dinner? You bet, a nice pork dish coming right up! Death would just be too dammed easy, IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #7 February 21, 2006 Carlos The Jackal Carlos the Jackal sits in a French prison still. Quote He claims his rights were violated by being held in solitary confinement for eight years from 1994 until 2002. He says he was kept in a small cell and only let out for a two-hour daily walk. A lower chamber of the court ruled last year that the treatment did not violate the European Convention on Human Rights. It said special measures had been needed to detain a man once regarded as the most dangerous terrorist in the world. Carlos, a 56-year-old Venezuelan, gained international notoriety as a mastermind of deadly bombings, assassinations and hostage-takings. It said special measures had been needed to detain a man once regarded as the most dangerous terrorist in the world. Carlos, a 56-year-old Venezuelan, gained international notoriety as a mastermind of deadly bombings, assassinations and hostage-takings. Carlos was once regarded as the most deadly terrorist in Europe. Anyone thought of him in 15 years ? Nope. OBL value dead vs alive: 1- His importance as a live figurehead vs a dead martyr. One more chubby jailbird would be less powerful than a martyr for publicity. 2- Where is his money ? Loss of that would have an operational impact. Live, we get his money and shut down a lot of stuff. 3- His organizational skills. Captured, he must be isolated. Put him in a room and then make the room disappear. Then go into the room and chat. That could have value. Personally, I don't think he would allow himself to be captured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,098 #8 February 21, 2006 >It said special measures had been needed to detain a man once >regarded as the most dangerous terrorist in the world. I am hoping that in 15 years we consider OBL in the same light. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 February 21, 2006 My hope is that the Hogs don't get food poisoning or indigestion...he deserves to pass through the entrails of a pig before meeting his maker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,098 #10 February 21, 2006 >he deserves to pass through the entrails of a pig before meeting his maker Someone else's suffering doesn't make me feel any better, even if they are bad. I guess I'm odd that way. I just want the threat removed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #11 February 21, 2006 Captured dead would be fine by me, but that might make him a martyr in the eyes of some, which would inspire future pieces of shyte to follow in his footsteps. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #12 February 21, 2006 QuoteQuotehe deserves to pass through the entrails of a pig before meeting his maker Someone else's suffering doesn't make me feel any better, even if they are bad. I guess I'm odd that way. I just want the threat removed. Odd or not, it's hard to argue in favor of wrath. I think it would do us best to capture him, and then have whatever comes next be as long... boring... drawn-out... and anti-climactic as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #13 February 21, 2006 QuoteI think it would do us best to capture him, and then have whatever comes next be as long... boring... drawn-out... and anti-climactic as possible. About 6 months of sitting in a quiet place on a lot of good drugs with a patient listener... That could provide a wealth of information. Destruction of networks, training, infrastructure. If you take away some of the tools, it becomes harder to do the tasks. To me, causing him harm is secondary to the goal of damaging the effectiveness of his organization. Carlos the Jackal terrorized Europe, and a good part of the world, for years. Now he harmlessly sits in a French prison. Of course, Carlos outlived his intelligence usefulness years ago... When they lose their value, there is always time to whack them later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nopullmike 0 #14 February 21, 2006 Who wants another Saddam sitting in a courtroom.. Why provide these snakes a forum to spit their venom. Kill them and be done with it. If more snakes are compelled to join the fight because of his death, so be it. They can get in line and see him in hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #15 February 21, 2006 QuoteIf more snakes are compelled to join the fight... A hydra is a many-headed snake. Wouldn't you want to get all of them ? Who do you think knows ? Wouldn't it be handy to ask OBL where the main snake pit is ? Maybe bomb the crap out of it ? Instead of just "the right hand man", may the top 200 ? Party invitations from the personal computer of the man himself. There is a lot of remote places in the Sudan, Congo, and Pakistan where terrorists live. If you find the money, they get to stay home. No expensive training, weapons, explosives, or travel to other places. We need to ask OBL how his organization is funded. How the money is transferred, to whom. Probably a new organization will pop up, but asking OBL a lot of these types of questions will put the brakes on this one. Kill him immediately and it will continue to function. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 21, 2006 Always follow the money, then you will see who the true terrorists are!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
