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Quoteand you approve or not?
Yes and no, my grandmother survived the holocaust and so personally I can not seperate what is right in this case. Generally speaking I do not approve, but in this matter I do. It may not be right but it is what I feel and unlike the govt I can make statements based on emotions.
Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
SkyDekker 1,465
I don't get it. The US puts restrictions on free speech. Why is it that your restrictions are better than their restrictions?
Andy9o8 2
QuoteI don't get it. The US puts restrictions on free speech. Why is it that your restrictions are better than their restrictions?
Most criminal restrictions on speech in the US are those that would be criminal just about anywhere, and they really do fall outside the realm of what is considered "free speech". For example, with mere speech you can commit a fraud, unlawfully threaten someone, rob a bank, call in a bomb scare, or recklessly endanger people by yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Yes, for all of those, you can be prosecuted. For defamation (libel or slander), you can be sued; but believe me, defamation can be pretty tough to prove to a jury.
About the only kinds of speech or expression in which the US is fairly restrictive is in certain radio and TV programs, and restrictions on pornography, each of which use pretty conservative standards compared to most other Western countries. So in that narrow regard, I'll grant your point.
But aside from that, what restrictions are you referring to? If you specify some, I'll be happy to address them.
Im sorry I dont understand, I dont know what you mean and why you think I feel my restrictians are better then the United States. The man jailed is not in the US, there are plenty of people (dumb people) in the U.S. that do not believe in the holocaust yet they are not in jail.
I did not place a restrictian on that mans right to free speech, all I point out is that where he lives, denial of the Holocaust is not part of free speech.
I did not place a restrictian on that mans right to free speech, all I point out is that where he lives, denial of the Holocaust is not part of free speech.
Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
billvon 3,118
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>I did not place a restrictian on that mans right to free speech, all I
> point out is that where he lives, denial of the Holocaust is not part
> of free speech.
Right. And other countries could conceivably make laws where protesting against abortion, or praying, are violations of free speech. Doesn't make it right.
> point out is that where he lives, denial of the Holocaust is not part
> of free speech.
Right. And other countries could conceivably make laws where protesting against abortion, or praying, are violations of free speech. Doesn't make it right.
SkyDekker 1,465
Sure, find yourself the nearest police officer with ayoung daughter and start telling him what you like to do to girls around the age of 6. Think you will get arrested? (or beat up, but that is a different thread)
Every society decides what they find offensive and what they do not find offensive. I think it is somewhat hypocritical to sit here and condemn another society for something they have deemed to be offensive, when their are restrictions on free speech in the US as well.
Every society decides what they find offensive and what they do not find offensive. I think it is somewhat hypocritical to sit here and condemn another society for something they have deemed to be offensive, when their are restrictions on free speech in the US as well.
SkyDekker 1,465
Sorry LisaM, you were just the last person in the thread, wasn't meant directly at you!!
QuoteDoesn't make it right.
I personally agree its not right but for "emotion" reasons for this case it is how I feel. I am not fair. I tell my own children that daily.
Not to mention the fact that something being "right" is subjective. Whats right for some is not for others. Theres plenty of people in this world that think suicide bombers are "right" or that it is right to belong to the KKK... To me those arent right, but what I think and feel is exactly that.
Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
QuoteSure, find yourself the nearest police officer with ayoung daughter and start telling him what you like to do to girls around the age of 6. Think you will get arrested? (or beat up, but that is a different thread)
mmm...confession to a crime is a protected form of speech? You would get arrested for child molestation, not for talking about it. IE, the usual NAMBLA reference.
I think you meant to say - what you WOULD like to do. And if the cop beats you up, he better come up with a good cover story.
QuoteAnd they've done such a wonderful job, haven't they? Is there not a neo-fascist/nazi movement alive in
Germany?America?
For example The "Orange County Nazi Gangs" Etc...
Incidentally, the "excessive" Anti-Nazi laws enacted in Germany & Austria spring DIRECTLY out of the Four-Power-Rule of these countries by (chiefly) America. Perhaps Roosevelt & Truman's administration actually recognised that different cultures had different legal needs and didn't try to make other countries into "Little-America".
Mike.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.
billvon 3,118
>Sure, find yourself the nearest police officer with ayoung daughter
>and start telling him what you like to do to girls around the age of 6.
>Think you will get arrested? (or beat up, but that is a different thread)
One of three things will happen:
1. You will piss him off, he will call you a dirtbag and be on his way
2. You will be arrested, then later released since you committed no crime
3. He will beat you up, after which HE will be fired and/or arrested for assault, you will be publically apologized to, and you will get the headlines you wanted to begin with. Which is why some people do things like that
>Every society decides what they find offensive and what they do not
> find offensive.
Oh, agreed. But things we find offensive are NOT the same things that are against the law. Which is good, because some people are very easily offended.
>and start telling him what you like to do to girls around the age of 6.
>Think you will get arrested? (or beat up, but that is a different thread)
One of three things will happen:
1. You will piss him off, he will call you a dirtbag and be on his way
2. You will be arrested, then later released since you committed no crime
3. He will beat you up, after which HE will be fired and/or arrested for assault, you will be publically apologized to, and you will get the headlines you wanted to begin with. Which is why some people do things like that
>Every society decides what they find offensive and what they do not
> find offensive.
Oh, agreed. But things we find offensive are NOT the same things that are against the law. Which is good, because some people are very easily offended.
QuoteQuote... I'm just speechless....
Sprachlos? Du? Unwahrscheinlich!
Mike.
PS: Check out my new sig line links. If you stare at them long enough you realise the "Empty-Ones" are to blame!
Mike, my dearest, there are so many moments in which I'm just sprachlos
- just believe me....
dudeist skydiver # 3105
and you approve or not?
Anyone in the not category does not share my belief that speech is a 'basic human right.' Cause if you have the right to make words out of your mouth and get jailed for it, it's hardly a right.
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